New EU vacuums and half the suction

[sebo_fan]

Yes but Im hoping that brands like Hoover Europe re-learn the process. Im hoping they will stop including the silly twin floor heads and just use a single floor head. One lives in hope.

 

[Mike81]

That Hoover "carpet extra" nozzle is horrible. It is one of those things what make you wonder what they were thinking when designing it. And to make the matters worse you have to change the nozzle every time when you go from carpet to hard floor and vice versa.
After all numerous nozzles that I have used the Electrolux "Dust Magnet" is my favorite. It has 4 wheels so you can use it on bare floors even when the brushes are up and when the brushes are down you can use it on the carpet (to give extra agitation), because brushes are floating. Of course optimal carpet setting is brushes up. Very good design in my opinion.

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTHFZ6XS2a8

 

[sebo_fan]

Im glad in a way that whilst there are plenty of cheap Chinese floor heads on the market, the open market in Europe means owners can get a professional floor tool from the likes of Wessel Werk. It may be costly but in the long run it gives the kind of performance already provided by the likes of Miele, Bosch and SEBO, even if SEBO choose to use some of their own patented floor heads.

Their Parquet Deluxe floor tool also has floating brush strips that I can find can also be used on carpet. The brush strips are also removable and there are four wheels on that model as well as their Kombi Deluxe floor tool.

 

[turbo500]

For those concerned that lower power motors can't pull in strong suction. I've said this a hundred times at least, but the current 620w Henry sucks and cleans perfectly well. Here's a demo.


 

 

[alexhoovers94]

I found that despite Numatic have used many different types of motors in Henry's, over the years, with single and twin fans and also different wattages... The suction power on them has always been consistent.

 

[sebo_fan]

The suction power has always been consistent in Numatic vacs because it is partly down to the rubberised membrane to the start of the bag where no suction air gets a chance to escape and then the filter basket at the top of the bag. Only other controllable air vent would be the air suction release twist valve at the top of the suction hose handle, which many owners have used in lieu of Hi/Lo switch function.

Good video Chris, but actual pick up of dust would be good to see rather than running around on a clean carpet (and I love the style btw)

 

[Mike81]

This Henry 620W is just amazing and good example how it is possible to get a good suction from the low wattage motor.
Here is my own test (turbo brush spin speed) Small differences in my opinion.
Volta 1000W
Samsung 1200W
Electrolux 2100W
Philips 2200W

 

[turbo500]

Now come on Nar, you should know better than that - there's no DUST in my house! It doesn't get a chance to settle lol.

Good points raised, but even pre-Hepa Flo's and when used with an old style paper bag, the suction is still the same. Personally, I think the tub design helps the Numatic's, giving a bigger surface area for the airflow to remain consistent.


 


I was mainly trying to respond to the concerns that lower power doesn't suck as much and won't spin a turbo brush. I will have to try this out with my 700w Miele and put some dirt down (not that I have any, of course ) to see how that performs.


 


Mike, great video and you're right, there's very little difference between cleaners there. And the small difference certainly wouldn't be enough to stop the cleaner picking up.

 

[alexhoovers94]

I have no idea why this would be a concern anyway, vacuum cleaners from the past were lower wattage and better than todays cleaners anyway in terms of performance, lower suction isnt the issue, it is the tools really.

 

[turbo500]

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<a name="start_30785.341483"></a>vacuum cleaners from the past were lower wattage and better than todays cleaners anyway in terms of performance


 


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Amen to that!

 

[turbo500]

Nar, trying to avoid some shamless self promotion, but I did a video as part of my blog in which you can see the Henry picking up baking soda from the carpet with the airo brush. I'll try and do a specific test video in the next week or so.

 

[sebo_fan]

Have a look...

But I do have an open mind - this is an older video from 2012...

 

[turbo500]

Errr...Nar...I posted that so you could see the Airo Brush at least picking something up off the carpet. I wasn't intending to start a debate about the use of vinegar

 

[Mike81]

One thing to mention. When you use canister with the powerhead or upright. Then it is the brushroll what do most of the work.
Then suction certainly doesn't matter unless it's poor.
Uprights usually have slightly weaker suction than canisters, but they still clean better due to the effective brushroll.
I can guarantee that my over 30 year old 250W Vorwerk VK 117-1H upright + powerhead can clean better than any 2200W canister + turbobrush.
Difference would be even greater if I would use my commercial 1030W Kärcher CV36/2 (SEBO BS36) upright (made in 1999). Its design is quite old now.

 

[turbo500]

Absolutely Mike! That's why, even when Hoover were still selling 250w Juniors, their cylinders went up to 1000w. I shall have to give this a try with both the turbo brush and straight suction tools.

 

[sebo_fan]

No, its not a debate Chris, just me havin' an opinion. Vinegar is good for some things but not all. I'll stick to washing up liquid for on the spot carpet stains. Anything else and its a major job with the Vax or others.

 

[alexhoovers94]

I never think of blotting a stain, I just get the carpet cleaner out.

 

[sebo_fan]

Here's the Argos Value large bagged cylinder vac with its difficult to control floor head. Also shows off the Bosch Wessel Werk floor head similar to Chris's floor head with the Numatic.

 

[turbo500]

Nar, is that Argos vac a 32mm fit?

 

[sebo_fan]

No, it uses 35mm sizings - same with the Hoover TeliosPlus. This Argos Vac is the same model as the Hoover Thunderspace which has been released in several European countries but not the UK yet. Will probably arrive at some point in Eco mode colours.