My DC41 MK2. I must be mad!
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sebo_fan
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So it begs me to ask, that if the Dyson DC03 way back then had such a great angle for cleaning, to why current models can't?
madaboutsebo
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I owned a DC03 and while the suction was not the best the slim designed compared to the DC01 was a nice welcome as you could lie the machine flat and get under low furniture very easily. Why Dyson haven't evolved this design I'm not sure. They designed the DC03 as a lighter, slim compact machine over the heavier, bulky DC01. There is no reason why they can not come out with a ball that will lie flat and fit completely under furniture being as they are now only developing the ball range.
I was an avid Dyson fan and owner and user of several models while I'm still interested in what Dyson comes out with regards to new technology and admire Sir James Dyson for what he has achieved. I never thought I would try any other type of vacuum cleaner again. Here I am using bag vacuums which I never thought I would. There are pro's and cons of both and everyone has an opinion and preferences. From personal experience I do think it pays to be open minded and experience different vacuum cleaners.
I have to say (although not yet tried one, but will at some point) the Dyson DC41 MK2 looks very impressive, not sure I could go back to a bagless vacuum to messy to empty. One think that amongst others that I liked about Dyson is the 'green' aspect no bags being used and I do like to and try to be greener to the environment.
One thing I question myself having used a bagged vacuum for 7 years now is all the rubber seals on the bagless vacuums bin and cyclone assemblies and the inner parts you can not get to, to clean. The average user will just empty the bin, dust and dirt gets onto the rubber seals (I used to clean mine after each empty on my Dyson's i owned) so when they close the bin a 'true' seal in my mind is not achieved. The inner parts of the cyclone that collects fine dust you can not get to or not very easily to clean. The average user will not attempt to take it apart or risk the guarantee and submerge in water to clean the inner parts. There lies fine dust within the unit!
As I've learnt no vacuum cleaner is perfect, and all have pro's and cons.
I was an avid Dyson fan and owner and user of several models while I'm still interested in what Dyson comes out with regards to new technology and admire Sir James Dyson for what he has achieved. I never thought I would try any other type of vacuum cleaner again. Here I am using bag vacuums which I never thought I would. There are pro's and cons of both and everyone has an opinion and preferences. From personal experience I do think it pays to be open minded and experience different vacuum cleaners.
I have to say (although not yet tried one, but will at some point) the Dyson DC41 MK2 looks very impressive, not sure I could go back to a bagless vacuum to messy to empty. One think that amongst others that I liked about Dyson is the 'green' aspect no bags being used and I do like to and try to be greener to the environment.
One thing I question myself having used a bagged vacuum for 7 years now is all the rubber seals on the bagless vacuums bin and cyclone assemblies and the inner parts you can not get to, to clean. The average user will just empty the bin, dust and dirt gets onto the rubber seals (I used to clean mine after each empty on my Dyson's i owned) so when they close the bin a 'true' seal in my mind is not achieved. The inner parts of the cyclone that collects fine dust you can not get to or not very easily to clean. The average user will not attempt to take it apart or risk the guarantee and submerge in water to clean the inner parts. There lies fine dust within the unit!
As I've learnt no vacuum cleaner is perfect, and all have pro's and cons.
turbo500
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Excuse me, Josh, how do you know what I own and what I don't? How do you know what I've used and where I've used it? You don't. So shush.
The "no loss of suction" claim is ridiculous. Like a bag, the more you use the cleaner, the more the suction drops as the filter clogs up. The "no loss of suction" is dependant on the filters being maintained. In reality, the only way to prevent any suction drop is to put a new filter in the machine every time you use it. Even washing it doesn't remove ALL of the dust.
You talk a lot about the DC41mk2, but what about the 41 other sub-par vacuums that came before it? Do you really think it's acceptable to have 21 years of under performing vacuums and fraudulent claims and just one good cleaner?
I fail to see what comparing the DC41mk2 to Sebo is meant to do, apart from you trying to stir things and try and get my back up. Well, I'm happy to say you failed entirely. At no point in my post did I compare the Dyson to a Sebo. Incidentally, I can think of at least 3 bagless vacuums I would rather own over the DC41mk2, and that's not even considering the bagged vacuums I consider higher performing and better built.
The "no loss of suction" claim is ridiculous. Like a bag, the more you use the cleaner, the more the suction drops as the filter clogs up. The "no loss of suction" is dependant on the filters being maintained. In reality, the only way to prevent any suction drop is to put a new filter in the machine every time you use it. Even washing it doesn't remove ALL of the dust.
You talk a lot about the DC41mk2, but what about the 41 other sub-par vacuums that came before it? Do you really think it's acceptable to have 21 years of under performing vacuums and fraudulent claims and just one good cleaner?
I fail to see what comparing the DC41mk2 to Sebo is meant to do, apart from you trying to stir things and try and get my back up. Well, I'm happy to say you failed entirely. At no point in my post did I compare the Dyson to a Sebo. Incidentally, I can think of at least 3 bagless vacuums I would rather own over the DC41mk2, and that's not even considering the bagged vacuums I consider higher performing and better built.
<span style="font-size: 18pt;">. Yes some other bagluss machines do lose suction cause of got in efficient cyclones don't separate the dirt very well but if you were to have the dc41mk2 cyclones are fantastic at separate dust and dirt The filter on mine you'll spotless after months finally lose suction if I don't clean the filter I don't have to do that until it's dirty.. Dyson was not always trying to invent better vacuum cleaners I innovating all the time.
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super-sweeper
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Ok Dys0nB0y,I hate to be rude, but if Dyson told you their vacuums were imported from an Australian factory owned by the governor of Alaska? That Dyson looks like it'll have a ball getting out from under that bed, the ball is stuck inside the bed!
Parwaz, I've got pictures of many models, I'm on my tablet right now, I'll upload them in a bit!
Parwaz, I've got pictures of many models, I'm on my tablet right now, I'll upload them in a bit!
sebo_fan
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"Here we go again commenting on something that they don't even own.."
Well, we went all along with your previous response claiming that Dyson have tested against SEBO. Where is your evidence? Not trying to stir things up, there, were you?
Well spotted Super-S - I did see that ball over the metal bar drop of the bed frame and wondered how on earth the ball managed to get in and get out without being scuffed.
Well, we went all along with your previous response claiming that Dyson have tested against SEBO. Where is your evidence? Not trying to stir things up, there, were you?
Well spotted Super-S - I did see that ball over the metal bar drop of the bed frame and wondered how on earth the ball managed to get in and get out without being scuffed.
Bickering again, are we? 
Such fun isnt it... Not. 
I am kind of fed up now regarding this debate.
Well, I can assure you my DC14 was not shoved under the bed super sweeper, but good observations there
. I pushed mine till it wouldn't go anymore, with normal force instead of forcing it in there.
I cant wait to see your pics
thanks for taking time out of your day to take the pics for us super sweeper 
very much appreciated
Such fun isnt it... Not. I am kind of fed up now regarding this debate.Well, I can assure you my DC14 was not shoved under the bed super sweeper, but good observations there
. I pushed mine till it wouldn't go anymore, with normal force instead of forcing it in there.I cant wait to see your pics
thanks for taking time out of your day to take the pics for us super sweeper very much appreciatedI haven't got any evidence but that's what Dyson told me. Not to stir things up but I can see it in the new EU ratings Dyson get a better eu label what like you said the ratings are pretty messed up and some vacuum cleaners.Just to say I did have a
Sebo x4 for about a year be honest it was quite good but I hated the Hose design but it Did quite well. I used to use one im not sure what model it is for about two years at my school.
Sebo x4 for about a year be honest it was quite good but I hated the Hose design but it Did quite well. I used to use one im not sure what model it is for about two years at my school.
sebo_fan
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Well, the bickering WOULDN"T HAPPEN if thoughtless comments were passed without a moment's thought or actual evidence of some sort. Lets not forget the previous thread of a Hoover Vortex on Ebay, Parwaz!
sebo_fan
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Anyone remember the news report that Dyson released before the EU labels were actually produced? I can remember distinctively, the worry that his vacuums would not meet the ratings planned.
After the law came into force and he realised that he could make up his own ratings, well of course he is going to laud up his vacuums.
Already other members have noted that the EU ratings applied to other vacuums are lower. It isn't an independent team from the EU being sent to every brand to throughly test every vacuum cleaner's actual performance OTHER than efficiency. Oh yes there's plenty of criteria about how the tests should be carried out.
Until the EU actually put a totally independent team in place to test each brand and each model, EU ratings in my mind are a lot of marketing nonsense.
Ironically enough in today's fashion where value for money counts for all and where we're only coming out of a recession ever so slowly, the word "economy" still holds a high regard. New buyers may well be more confused than ever before but may well only see the "A" rating for efficiency before they gloss over everything else.
After the law came into force and he realised that he could make up his own ratings, well of course he is going to laud up his vacuums.
Already other members have noted that the EU ratings applied to other vacuums are lower. It isn't an independent team from the EU being sent to every brand to throughly test every vacuum cleaner's actual performance OTHER than efficiency. Oh yes there's plenty of criteria about how the tests should be carried out.
Until the EU actually put a totally independent team in place to test each brand and each model, EU ratings in my mind are a lot of marketing nonsense.
Ironically enough in today's fashion where value for money counts for all and where we're only coming out of a recession ever so slowly, the word "economy" still holds a high regard. New buyers may well be more confused than ever before but may well only see the "A" rating for efficiency before they gloss over everything else.
super-sweeper
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Parwaz, I was referring you Dys0nb0y's photo, not yours!
cb123
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Hey, look everyone! I'm vacuuming under my bed!
super-sweeper
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LOL I guess the Kirby CAN reach under beds, or at least the G3, my Heritage II looked at the bed and said, 'NOPE!'
super-sweeper
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OK Parwaz, I made a thread for this before somebody throws a fit over thread hijacking! Check the Vintage forum!
Sebo_fan, involving Dyaon into that thread was not intentional, instead it was taken the wrong way, and. I was just emphasising how crap the Hoover was compared to a well known machine which I am sure Chris had had experience with
oliveoiltinfoil
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This is getting stupidly pathetic now. No, the dyson DC41 can NOT lay flat on the floor to clean under most beds, but it goes under much more than a lot of other vacuums, especially bagless ones. Yes, some people don't like bagless machines as they are messier to empty, some don't like the expense and odours from bags. Each to their bloody own!
No, Dyson is not the perfect company. Neither is Sebo, neither is Kirby. Dyson products are expensive for what they are, but you are buying a state of the art "BAG-LESS" vacuum. Sebo moaned and complained about these EU regulations as well, not something you'd expect from a company specialising in the professional market, and Kirbys sales tactics leave a lot to be desired. Nothing in life is perfect!
This thread was supposed to be about my new DC41 mk2 and how much I love it and am impressed by it. It was not a thread where people start bashing dyson or any other brand. Make your own thread fi you want to do that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but half of this thread has not being about my DC41, but about others claiming how their vacuum is so much better and the dyson is sh*t.
Get a life, seriously.
No, Dyson is not the perfect company. Neither is Sebo, neither is Kirby. Dyson products are expensive for what they are, but you are buying a state of the art "BAG-LESS" vacuum. Sebo moaned and complained about these EU regulations as well, not something you'd expect from a company specialising in the professional market, and Kirbys sales tactics leave a lot to be desired. Nothing in life is perfect!
This thread was supposed to be about my new DC41 mk2 and how much I love it and am impressed by it. It was not a thread where people start bashing dyson or any other brand. Make your own thread fi you want to do that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but half of this thread has not being about my DC41, but about others claiming how their vacuum is so much better and the dyson is sh*t.
Get a life, seriously.
Yes, I also liked the D 41 mk2 thread.
Anyways, would you say that the DC41's hose suction is better than the hose suction on your 2014 Vax upright?
198 AW, but its impressive how that vacuum was designed to make it work better than other machines with higher airwatts!
Anyways, would you say that the DC41's hose suction is better than the hose suction on your 2014 Vax upright?
198 AW, but its impressive how that vacuum was designed to make it work better than other machines with higher airwatts!
