New EU vacuums and half the suction

[turbo500]

The problem with that though Nar, is that the kind of person who buys a £40 vacuum isn't then going to spend another £50 buying a Bosch floortool to go with it. I don't imagine that that sort of person would even think that the problem with the vacuum was the floortool lol

 

[alexhoovers94]

We cant all aford expensive cleaners, so we have to make do with what we can.

Fortunately though and like myslef, we are not all common.

 

[sebo_fan]

Very true Chris, but for those who are collectors on here its good to know of alternatives that can fit that cheap vacuum.

Conversely enough though of the non-collector people I've spoken to who might go out and buy a Miele vac will seldom see them buying an additional tool even if it might give extra cleaning versatility. This is down to the already expensive cost price of the Miele vac in question.[this post was last edited: 1/26/2016-09:31]

 

[Mike81]

250 vs 1000 watts vacuum cleaning power

So I finally made video just for this topic.
Purpose of this test is to show will more powerful vacuum cleaner clean better or do you need more than the strong suction.
This test also shows how the new low wattage EU canisters compare to the old dirty fan upright vacuum cleaner.
Powerhead wasn't used in the canister, because the canister vacuums in the Europe very rarely have one. Uprights will almost always have the powered brushroll.

 

[sebo_fan]

Interesting video but Im failing to actually see the point. This is because you're not using an air driven turbo brush on the Vorwerk, but rather an independent electric motor on the power nozzle PLUS the suction motor.

The cylinder vac has a single motor which also has to supply the air to the turbo brush.

 

[Mike81]

Old vs new

This was more like a comparison let's say old Hoover Turbopower vs modern Miele Cat & Dog. Result would be the same. Modern people would never guess the result. That's the point.

However I can re done the test using straight suction nozzle in both machines. That would show the difference about suction power. Vorwerk wouldn't have suction to drive the turbo nozzle.
Or I could do the test between 2200w Philips PerformerPro (500 aw) vs this Volta (about 200-250 aw).

 

[sebo_fan]

Oh I think they would know the difference given that the PN head is well known in the U.S against an air driven turbo brush. The fact that the turbo brush takes twice as long might not take twice as long when attached to a higher powered vacuum.

Infact when I think about it, higher suction power DOES allow air turbine brushes to move faster. But it also depends on the turbo brush in question and the carpet pile unless the turbo brush has an air outlet to stop the brush from getting stuck. I've bought some that leak far too much air even when added to a high powered vacuum.

Also is that canister vacuum really a new eco modern vac, or a vintage vac with an already low power motor?

 

[Mike81]

In Finland most of the people don't know anything about powerheads. We always have had straight suction canisters and some turboheads.

Like you said the turbohead greatly benefits powerful suction. My all time favorite turbohead is made by Electrolux it has floating spring loaded brushroll unlike the most turboheads that have free floating brushroll. It's rather aggressive being just air driven. It actually shows some visual agitation and roars when brushroll is contact with the carpet. But it has one design flaw. It has no suction release holes or valve so it stops spinning on some carpets. I just cutted small holes to it and now it works fine.
See it in the link.

That Volta canister in the video may not be the new eco model, but it should have suction close to the new eco models.

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs7vJX0EqyY

 

[sebo_fan]

Yes but respectively an old Volta may have better sealing than the eco modern vacs or even the opposite. Plus factoring in larger dust bag or smaller, synthetic dust bag or thicker paper HEPA style bag that can result in a loss of suction plus whatever is at the exhaust.

You started this thread with the decrease of air watts in modern eco vacs versus the high watt motor vacs of previous before the EU law. You've ended up showing a video with two old vacuums that use modern floor heads.

The video link you've added is good and it shows a very well developed air driven turbo brush. What is the white stuff you have put down?

 

[sebo_fan]

As for Turbopower vs Miele Cat and Dog - I think the Turbopower might be faster on account that it has a superior agitator that beats and sweeps the carpet at the same time compared to the rolling brush on a Miele cylinder vac. Its a dirty fan upright versus a clean fan cylinder vac.

 

[Mike81]

I have to admit that my video wasn't exactly what this thread was originally about. There was just so much comments how it's not the suction that matters, it's combination of other things too and so on. So video was answer to that.
Note that I use large fleece bags in this Volta and in Vorwerk.

 

[Mike81]

That stuff on the carpet was very fine sawdust.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Hoover Turbopower V Miele cylinder?? Are you crazy, no comparison! When it comes to performance, the Hoover is far supirior.

 

[Mike81]

Exactly!
But "normal" people who are looking for new vacuum cleaner they would think that fancy new Miele is superior.
Sounds crazy, but most of the people have no idea what it takes to really clean the carpets.

 

[sebo_fan]

Yes but then owners dont have a clue in general sometimes - they use the combi suction floor head with the bristles DOWN on carpet because they seem to think the bristle perimeter will scrub the carpet clean - and then wonder why the combi suction pedal fails early.

Other things that owners do - and heavens knows why - when cleaning with a cylinder/canister vac, they end up double jointed over the handle with one hand on the handle and the other hand on the suction tube further down the suction tube as if it is meant to add pressure to the floor head when sucking up dirt.

 

[Mike81]

That is the major problem, because most people don't know how to properly use the vacuum cleaner. I have come across people who use the parquet nozzle on the carpets to get extra agitation. Then like you said using the combination floor/rug tool wrong way. Laminate or wood floors don't exactly look nice when they are vacuumed bristles up.
But biggest problem is the lack of maintenance. For example my Sister buys about every year very cheap bagless vacuum to save money on the bags. She don't take care of the filters and result has been several burnt out motors.
Then my parents. My Mom is very demanding about the vacuum cleaners and She knows how to use them. However problem has been the lack of maintenance. I have helped to give Her a vacuum from my collection (and I got their current vacuum). One was the bagless Electrolux UltraPerformer. She liked it alot, but they "forgot" to wash the pre motor filter and I usually did the maintenance.
I thought that bagged vacuum would be right choice for Her and I gave Her a bagged Philips PerformerPro and I take back the Electrolux.
After a year She complained about reduced suction. Bag was hard as a rock, bag compartment was dusty and so was the pre motor filters.
Turned out that She had used it about a year with the same dust bag. My Dad had just emptied the bag when the bag was hard as a brick. What usually happends is that
when emptying the bag dust tends to also stick to the outside of the bag and after several emptying bag clogs up. So needless to say I ended up cleaning the whole vacuum, filters and buying new bags for it.

 

[Mike81]

Here is a video of dirty air 250W vs clean air 1000W vacuum cleaner cleaning performance. Dirty air vacuum may not have a good suction, but airflow makes it pick up well. I think this video proves it.

http://https//youtu.be/_uyvFDXXQv0