New "EU" vacuums have less suction than 30 year old vacuum!

[Mike81]

Well I know how things went in the US car industry, and how they are today. Interesting subject by the way.
My own experience about old vs new vacuums

Old
- better build quality
- heavier
- 2 stage slower rpm motor
- pleasant sounding
- good suction for wattage used
- poor filtaration
- bulky
- long lasting motor

New
- "ok" build quality
- more compact
- more convient to use
- lighter
- high-pitched motor sound (depending manufacturer)
- exelent filtaration
- better bags/good bagless system
- very good suction (not EU vacuums)

This was just a my opinion

 

[real1shep]

Which begs the.......

question in my mind......do you get that much better filtration today with a modern vac than you would with say, a Lux Super J and a HEPA bag?

Kevin

 

[n0oxy]

oldder electrolux with hepa bag

I have an Electrolux 1205 and an Electrolux Olympia, the Olympia has the same motor as the super J. There are hepa cloth bags available as C bags, which is what most Electrolux aerus vacuums use. The filtration they provide is excellent, I'm not sure why Aerus chooses to stick with paper bags, they don't filter as well. Love the sound of those motors compared to the high pitch whine that most vacuums have these days. Those luxes will clean anything quite well. It's interesting to combine them with a modern power nozzle such as a Wessel Werk, Sebo or Lindhaus. Since the hose on these vacuums is a standard mini plug, this is actually very simple to do.

 

[vacerator]

Yes, the USA had to

follow Japan into world class quality.
However, I remember when a Toyota Corolla also rusted out in a few years, and many said never buy one in the early 70's.
I had a 1984 Nissan Sentra that didn't like to restart after the engine had warmed up. Just the opposite of most heavily emission control laden American cars of the 70's. Unleaded gasoline, the catalytic convertor, and an 85% hotter ignition spark remedied that by 1975.
My grandmothers 1966 Chevy Impala lasted her 26 years, and still runs today.
It's had two repaints, and a new carpet and upholstery padding from dry rot.
My 84 Nissans back seat was sun damaged after just 5 years.

 

[n0oxy]

today's qualitty

I do think many products are made to last only a few years now and then be replaced. What a contrast from the older Electrolux, Kenmore and eureka vacuums of the 50's, 60's and 70's, probably some other brands as well. Many of these older vacuums are still being used, sometimes as daily drivers. Some brands are still made with this quality, but it's few and far between, Miele, Sebo, Ricccar, etc.

 

[keiththomas]

strange

Yes modern machines are different to their older ones, but the fact is that plastic is thing, made for a price and once snapped cannot be repaired.

Manufacturers or importers get away with making cheap tat just to undercut their rivals.

Its just money without considering what the implication of a declining manufacturing base has brought in the west.

We do nothing now and even repairing is no longer done, Not only have we paid the price in Manufacturing job losses. But as less people work, the higher the taxes. In the UK we sold our family Silver and what great brands we once had 50 years ago, are now either foreign owned and gone.

As to Vacuums the only British made ones is Numatic Henry. The German brands are good, some of VAX (Hoover USA) is ok, but many are built for disposal usually within 8 years.

 

[Mike81]

To the n0oxy

I have done exactly what you said.
Modern high filtration cloth bag + Wessel-Werk EBK 340
to my old canisters (PH is suitable for both).
My loyal "tank" Lux Royal D790 and "smooth" Philips P74 Electronic will clean now like I would never guessed that they would do.

 

[real1shep]

<a name="start_32942.361786"></a>I have an Electrolux 1205 and an Electrolux Olympia, the Olympia has the same motor as the super J


 


It's my understanding that the big motor in the Super J was just in the Super J. After that, the motors were outsourced, like in the production period of the Diamond J et al. The replacement brushes for the Super J are bigger and more expensive than the models previous and after. The motor/armature is longer and bigger....not to be confused with the 1205 and 'Golden' Jubilee 50th Anniversary motors.


 


Kevin