The hack that can save pre-release version of Dyson V16

[Absolute Rainbow]

@shattered @Vacuum Facts

As @Vacuum Facts has tested and noticed, the preliminary release of Dyson V16 has utterly pitiful performance, Auto mode actually worse than even Dreame Z30 and the overall performance dropped to about half of that of Gen5. This is due to the Hyperdymium 900 W motor operating at mere 450 W. No, really, but there's a hack that actually fix that motor sensitivity and let the motor unleash itself, so the vacuum can perform as admirably as it's supposed to be (i.e. at least on the level of Gen5).

Can you tell us what's the hack that fix the pre-release V16 and turn it back into a true main-equivalent it's supposed to be?

 

[shattered]

Maybe Dyson did that cause otherwise you wouldn't be able to push it on carpets

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

Maybe Dyson did that cause otherwise you wouldn't be able to push it on carpets

I dunno, but what's the hack anyways?

Also tell @Vacuum Facts

 

[Vacuum Facts]

The reason I'm not discussing any of this is because most of the 'major reviewers' haven't reviewed it yet and I don't want any of them copying off me. They'll have to figure it out themselves from the basic science available. I'm posting my review last this time.

The best thing people can do for now is complain to Dyson it doesn't clean as well.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

The reason I'm not discussing any of this is because most of the 'major reviewers' haven't reviewed it yet and I don't want any of them copying off me. They'll have to figure it out themselves from the basic science available. I'm posting my review last this time.

The best thing people can do for now is complain to Dyson it doesn't clean as well.

Unfortunately, community.dyson.com is completely offline. No choice but to bring the matter to social media - oh wait, you're currently putting your review on hold!

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

@Vacuum Facts, please tell us about the hack!

 

[cheesewonton]

Maybe Dyson did that cause otherwise you wouldn't be able to push it on carpets

It wasn't that long ago that you could buy a 2200 watt canister vacuum in Europe and people didn't have any problems pushing the nozzles of those on rugs or carpets. In Japan you can buy insanely powerful corded power nozzle canister vacuums that are easy to push on rugs and carpets. They have openings to let some air in under the nose of the nozzle so they don't latch. My hardworking old Panasonic MC-PA20W converted to use a modern G series power nozzle will lift a bathroom rug off the floor if I lift the nozzle straight up but I can push it along effortlessly.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

Maybe Dyson did that cause otherwise you wouldn't be able to push it on carpets

It wasn't that long ago that you could buy a 2200 watt canister vacuum in Europe and people didn't have any problems pushing the nozzles of those on rugs or carpets. In Japan you can buy insanely powerful corded power nozzle canister vacuums that are easy to push on rugs and carpets. They have openings to let some air in under the nose of the nozzle so they don't latch. My hardworking old Panasonic MC-PA20W converted to use a modern G series power nozzle will lift a bathroom rug off the floor if I lift the nozzle straight up but I can push it along effortlessly.

@Vacuum Facts did Dyson deliberately make the mistake to reduce clamping and increase battery life? Either way, that ultimately explains why the V16 performed so poorly out of the box, at least in its debut.

The rest of the V16 however is amazing, I just need @Vacuum Facts to tell us the hack that fixes the machine. This is scummy on Dyson's part.

 

[cheesewonton]

Exactly and thats the thing! Wheres the point in having a 2000W when you can't even use it and have to create openings in head to lose suction/power?
Isn't it a bit of a waste?

Maybe try using one and find out. If you have never used these kinds of vacuums you have no basis of comparison with which to make an informed opinion.

Fact is power nozzles have been latching onto carpets from the very beginning. The very first power nozzle from Lewyt way back in 1957 has that problem on a much less powerful vacuum. They had to add wheels on the nose of the power nozzle so it didn't latch. Old Filter Queens and Eurekas had that problem too and the solution was to drill a line of 3/16 inch holes along the nose of the nozzle base to let a little air underneath. These were 8 to 9 amp vacuum with old fashioned motors. Nothing like you find on a modern corded power nozzle. I have this equipment in my collection and use it. How about you? What is your experience with these older vacuums?

Around 2015 or so Panasonic came out with a power nozzle for use by Kenmore and Cen-Tec central vacuums that has an air bypass system. There are reed valves behind vents on the top of the nozzle. If it starts to latch, the reeds open and let some outside air get under the nose of the nozzle. Kenmore calls this the Ultra Plush Nozzle. Cen-Tec sells it as the CT-25QD. It is also sold with the Titan T9500 canister vacuum. Panasonic designed it for the needs of owners with these soft, plush deep pile carpets that bog down many power nozzles and uprights. It glides over any carpet effortlessly yet it cleans as well as any other power nozzle I have used. No need to turn the power down and sacrifice cleaning power so you can push the nozzle.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

Maybe try using one and find out. If you have never used these kinds of vacuums you have no basis of comparison with which to make an informed opinion.

Fact is power nozzles have been latching onto carpets from the very beginning. The very first power nozzle from Lewyt way back in 1957 has that problem on a much less powerful vacuum. They had to add wheels on the nose of the power nozzle so it didn't latch. Old Filter Queens and Eurekas had that problem too and the solution was to drill a line of 3/16 inch holes along the nose of the nozzle base to let a little air underneath. These were 8 to 9 amp vacuum with old fashioned motors. Nothing like you find on a modern corded power nozzle. I have this equipment in my collection and use it. How about you? What is your experience with these older vacuums?

Around 2015 or so Panasonic came out with a power nozzle for use by Kenmore and Cen-Tec central vacuums that has an air bypass system. There are reed valves behind vents on the top of the nozzle. If it starts to latch, the reeds open and let some outside air get under the nose of the nozzle. Kenmore calls this the Ultra Plush Nozzle. Cen-Tec sells it as the CT-25QD. It is also sold with the Titan T9500 canister vacuum. Panasonic designed it for the needs of owners with these soft, plush deep pile carpets that bog down many power nozzles and uprights. It glides over any carpet effortlessly yet it cleans as well as any other power nozzle I have used. No need to turn the power down and sacrifice cleaning power so you can push the nozzle.

@Vacuum Facts did Dyson try these vented nozzles @cheesewonton described?

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

This is just wrong

Clamping is not an issue here, @Vacuum Facts?

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

Maybe try using one and find out. If you have never used these kinds of vacuums you have no basis of comparison with which to make an informed opinion.

Fact is power nozzles have been latching onto carpets from the very beginning. The very first power nozzle from Lewyt way back in 1957 has that problem on a much less powerful vacuum. They had to add wheels on the nose of the power nozzle so it didn't latch. Old Filter Queens and Eurekas had that problem too and the solution was to drill a line of 3/16 inch holes along the nose of the nozzle base to let a little air underneath. These were 8 to 9 amp vacuum with old fashioned motors. Nothing like you find on a modern corded power nozzle. I have this equipment in my collection and use it. How about you? What is your experience with these older vacuums?

Around 2015 or so Panasonic came out with a power nozzle for use by Kenmore and Cen-Tec central vacuums that has an air bypass system. There are reed valves behind vents on the top of the nozzle. If it starts to latch, the reeds open and let some outside air get under the nose of the nozzle. Kenmore calls this the Ultra Plush Nozzle. Cen-Tec sells it as the CT-25QD. It is also sold with the Titan T9500 canister vacuum. Panasonic designed it for the needs of owners with these soft, plush deep pile carpets that bog down many power nozzles and uprights. It glides over any carpet effortlessly yet it cleans as well as any other power nozzle I have used. No need to turn the power down and sacrifice cleaning power so you can push the nozzle.

@cheesewonton you meant this?

@Vacuum Facts did Dyson try these vented nozzles @cheesewonton described?

Any questions? Also, back to topic: @Vacuum Facts which hack do we need?

 

[huskyvacs]

Yet another sockpuppet account Vacuum Facts made to talk to himself with. Seriously ban this person already.

 

[vac14012]

Yet another sockpuppet account Vacuum Facts made to talk to himself with. Seriously ban this person already.

There's no reason to ban someone for having a different opinion than you. Please grow up and just ignore posts you don't like.

At the end of the day this is a forum about vacuum cleaners of all things. It's not that serious.

All I've seen is you harass this VacuumFacts user cause he likes Dyson vacuums. Unnecessary behavior.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

There's no reason to ban someone for having a different opinion than you. Please grow up and just ignore posts you don't like.

At the end of the day this is a forum about vacuum cleaners of all things. It's not that serious.

All I've seen is you harass this VacuumFacts user cause he likes Dyson vacuums. Unnecessary behavior.

I 100% agree with you. He is also very objective, unlike the majority of the reviewers and journalists. I trust him, and do not force me (or anyone for that matter) to stop trusting him.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

I made this thread to discuss about the hack needed to fix (the initial batch of) Dyson V16, so I expect Vacuum Facts and friends to be useful. Where are they now? ._.

 

[Rocketman]

Absolute Rainbow & vac14012

I agree with you both, I find Vacuum Facts very informative, knowledgeable, objective, scientifically inclined, and trustworthy. He is primarily the reason why I am still inlined to keeping my V16, even though I have still unopened it and is within return window.

 

[cheesewonton]

Absolute Rainbow & vac14012

I agree with you both, I find Vacuum Facts very informative, knowledgeable, objective, scientifically inclined, and trustworthy. He is primarily the reason why I am still inlined to keeping my V16, even though I have still unopened it and is within return window.

Eh, he has no hands on experience with high quality vacuums. He doesn't even know what a really good vacuum can do. All he knows are bagless things made with shiny hard squeaky brittle plastic that doesn't hold up for decades. We have people here that have been repairing and selling vacuums for decades, in some cases for many years before this vacuum facts dude was even born. This kid has no hands on with high end machines from manufacturers like Sebo, Lindhaus, Miele, old Swedish Electroluxes, old or modern Aerus / Electrolux vacuums, or some heavy duty commercial vacuums from Hoover, Titan, Cirrus, Carpet Pro, Tornado, CleanMax, etc. He has no basis of comparison because he has never used a great vacuum in his life. And this is something I see on other social media where people finally toss their Shark or Diesoon for a high end vacuum like the brands mentioned and are amazed at the difference. vacuumfacts hasn't had that experience yet and seems scared to death of trying one.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

He is primarily the reason why I am still inlined to keeping my V16, even though I have still unopened it and is within return window.

Incidentally, I love my V16 now. Once you get it right, quite easily, it's better tech than the Gen5. That doesn't let Dyson off the hook BTW. They're still going to get criticised for various decisions, but at least they're correctable.

 

[Rocketman]

Cheesewonton

Respectfully, I will not engage on your opinion regarding Vaccum Facts, as everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I will acknowledge your wealth of experience in dealing with and repairing many well known brands.

 

[huskyvacs]

There's no reason to ban someone for having a different opinion than you. Please grow up and just ignore posts you don't like.

At the end of the day this is a forum about vacuum cleaners of all things. It's not that serious.

All I've seen is you harass this VacuumFacts user cause he likes Dyson vacuums. Unnecessary behavior.

You are absolutely right, it is unnecessary behaviour.

https://vacuumland.org/threads/new-innovative-dyson-fluffycones-pencilvac.46297/page-2#post-477696

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

Incidentally, I love my V16 now. Once you get it right, quite easily, it's better tech than the Gen5. That doesn't let Dyson off the hook BTW. They're still going to get criticised for various decisions, but at least they're correctable.

Yes, I understand all of this. But can you give us how to correct the machine?

Also, yeah, Dyson's one unexpected mistake really brought the V16 down. Dyson should've known better from the start like they did often, and they really should've double-checked before shipping the whole thing globally.

 

[cheesewonton]

The best hack is to just not buy it. Buy something better.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

The best hack is to just not buy it. Buy something better.

I think it's time to respond. The fact that Dyson messed up the launch of V16 is as disgusting as @Vacuum Facts made out to be, given they're the only one brand to make the ultimate mains-equivalent (anti-corded) cordless machines. V16 is clearly held down by one single mistake and design decisions coming from the internal management flunking. The problem was therefore why we asked for a fix, hence this very thread.

@cheesewonton currently you won't find any cordless better than a fixed V16, and not only that, all the mains-equivalent machines, especially the Dyson's V10 onwards, are no worse than the best corded machines, and air power is hardly an exception anymore. You should be blaming Dyson's internal management, not the tech itself, especially since the new tech are really good and are AT LEAST among the best in the market.

Do not blame @Vacuum Facts either. He's a fanboy of INNOVATION, not Dyson themselves. I watched his videos, and I already knew.

 

[cheesewonton]

I think it's time to respond. The fact that Dyson messed up the launch of V16 is as disgusting as @Vacuum Facts made out to be, given they're the only one brand to make the ultimate mains-equivalent (anti-corded) cordless machines. V16 is clearly held down by one single mistake and design decisions coming from the internal management flunking. The problem was therefore why we asked for a fix, hence this very thread.

@cheesewonton currently you won't find any cordless better than a fixed V16, and not only that, all the mains-equivalent machines, especially the Dyson's V10 onwards, are no worse than the best corded machines, and air power is hardly an exception anymore. You should be blaming Dyson's internal management, not the tech itself, especially since the new tech are really good and are AT LEAST among the best in the market.

Do not blame @Vacuum Facts either. He's a fanboy of INNOVATION, not Dyson themselves. I watched his videos, and I already knew.

I'm happy with our 100 volt Japan market bagged power nozzle canister vacuums from Panasonic and Hitachi, our big Swedish Luxes or this indestructible old Kenmore from 1982 with a modern back pack vac motor and synthetic HEPA bag and HEPA pre motor filter. For quick pick ups the little Japanese canisters have huge power, nozzles similar to those on stick vacs and they weigh under 6 pounds complete. The Panasonics are happy to run on 120/60 US household current and do the job just fine. For a deep clean we have the Luxes, also purchased inn Japan and similarly happy on 120/60 or that brutal old Kenny. The Japanese vacuums are the go-to tool for cleaning bathroom rugs and hallway runners. We keep one in our master bath where the litter box is for full time kitty litter duty.

 

[cheesewonton]

The motors in some of these Japanese vacuums are interesting too. They combine aspects of through-flow and peripheral bypass in one motor apparently to improve airflow which they have in abundance. Some have vents on the side of the fan housing but some others have vents above the fan but outside of the field, while also blowing air up through the field. Very different from what you see on anything sold in the US or Europe.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

@cheesewonton

I'm happy with our 100 volt Japan market bagged power nozzle canister vacuums from Panasonic and Hitachi, our big Swedish Luxes or this indestructible old Kenmore from 1982 with a modern back pack vac motor and synthetic HEPA bag and HEPA pre motor filter. For quick pick ups the little Japanese canisters have huge power, nozzles similar to those on stick vacs and they weigh under 6 pounds complete. The Panasonics are happy to run on 120/60 US household current and do the job just fine. For a deep clean we have the Luxes, also purchased inn Japan and similarly happy on 120/60 or that brutal old Kenny. The Japanese vacuums are the go-to tool for cleaning bathroom rugs and hallway runners. We keep one in our master bath where the litter box is for full time kitty litter duty.

How much airwatts do these have?

The motors in some of these Japanese vacuums are interesting too. They combine aspects of through-flow and peripheral bypass in one motor apparently to improve airflow which they have in abundance. Some have vents on the side of the fan housing but some others have vents above the fan but outside of the field, while also blowing air up through the field. Very different from what you see on anything sold in the US or Europe.

Can you give me some images of the Japanese vacuum motors in question?

 

[cheesewonton]

@cheesewonton

How much airwatts do these have?

Can you give me some images of the Japanese vacuum motors in question?

I didn't take pictures when I had them out to sanitize the vacuums they were in. Sorry : /

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

I didn't take pictures when I had them out to sanitize the vacuums they were in.

@cheesewonton

Sorry : /

Do you at least remember the models in question?

 

[cheesewonton]

One was a Panasonic MC-SXJ4000W Airsis. The Airsis line was originally a Sanyo product. When Panasonic bought Sanyo in 2010 after a big earthquake dropped Sanyo's most important factory and they could never recover. Sanyo and Panasonic were/are family businesses with blood relations. Sanyo was founded by one of old man Matsushita's sons in law using a factory Matsushita San lent said son in law. The Airsis series was revered, and expensive, so Panasonic continued making them for a time including a final update to use a standard Panasonic hose and power nozzle instead of the much cooler Sanyo power nozzle (parts for which seem to have vanished). So I had an Airsis apart to sanitize and I'll never bother doing that again ! Too complex and it was a waste of time. The thing was nice and clean.

I also have a Hitachi motor from one of their Karupack series canister vacs that had interesting air ports in places one doesn't normally see but it is buried somewhere in my stuff. I'm in the process of finishing a big 30 x 40 foot garage in back where I will move and finally organize all my vac stuff. Just takes time and money. The project has been going in spurts for six years plus. The building and electrical are done. We are down to fire sprinklers, insulation, drywall and lighting left to do.