Dyson engineering ineptitude and complacency

[vacerator]

marbles;

if I do that with my central vacuum which is sealed suction, the marble will not still be in my hand after only turning it on then off quickly. It will make it at least halfway through the hose.

 

[vacerator]

marbles;

if I do that with my central vacuum which is sealed suction, the marble will not still be in my hand after only turning it on then off quickly. It will make it at least halfway through the hose.

 

[daknx1994]

I always tell my customers that Dyson is the best bagless on the market. Remember the best bagless. The thing I have against Dyson is you are paying $400 and more for nothing more than a heap of plastic. There are no features other than being bagless that makes the Dyson stand out. There is absolutley no adjustable suction and the ball part is made of plastic that easily scratches bare floors. I have had numerous customers return Dyson's because of that factor alone. The other issue is that there is so much suction that Dyson's are hard to use on flat, non grouted hard floors because they seal to the floor and allow no air to flow through. They also do terrible picking up any thing bigger than a grain of sand. Now America does not get the models with the adjustable lip mind you. You can get a much more reliable and effective machine for the same price in the Miele/Simplicity line up. I do not like cleaning with full suction all of the time and I would like a machine with some metal built into it. It does not have to be all metal. I also am not a fan of plastic wheels/hubs that can cause damage to my hard flooring. My other biggest complaint is their canisters have NO power nozzle. Those Dyson turbine heads stall on the thicker frieze type of carpeting that is more popular today.

 

[parwaz786]

I have never found a vacuum better for hard floors than my Dyson DC41 and DC14 & DC33. This includes straight suction cylinders. The Dyson just seems to have a miracle every time with it's large debris channel and and edge cleaning whiskers with suction channels on the sides and the soleplate overall is a good design which we take for granted.

he DC41 has an active base place which doesn't 100% seal the suction in bu has a slight gap between the surface for airflow and large debris only at the front. he back and sides are in 100% Direct contact with the surface

 

[parwaz786]

Oh and PS IDK about America but we can get a brand new DC40 with 5 year guarantee from retailers for £179.99 a lot of the time

 

[tolivac]

Airflow thru carpet-this will not work if the carpet has an airtight backing-some do,and if the WHOLE carpet is glued to the floor.So the nozzle needed for cleaning CANNOT be "sealed" to the carpet as those with the porus backing or not glued to the floor.For the sealed and glued down carpet the nozzle has to be adjusted so some air will flow thru-above the nozzle to move the dirt-and no hard beater bars-they will pound and wear the carpet and the vacuum!

 

[kenkart]

A plain old

Straight suction nozzle is better than anything for glued down carpet.

 

[vacerator]

Parwaz,

Not here in the US. The exchange rate of a quid for our dollar added to inflated retail means prices for a Dyson begin at $399, and thats on sale.
It's the same with Miele, but they are not sold in department or discount stores.
Shark is the only affordable brand with excellent cleaning power and filtration for working class lower income households.

 

[sebo_fan]

What about TTI Dirt Devil? I thought they were a low budget brand like they've always been.

 

[vacerator]

Sebo,

Dirt Devil does not sell a hepa sealed vacuum. Their price points are even lower than a high end Shark.
I saw the Shark Powered Rotator Lift Away infomercial this morning.
Mark Rosen filled the shark up with sand, and water lift tested it against an out of the box new, empty Dyson.
The Shark had a few more inches of water lift. The question is for how long?
He shut it off after five seconds.

 

[sebo_fan]

OH my you're under the impression that HEPA sealed is the way to go. Im not going to say anything more.

 

[vacerator]

Sebo,

Are Sebos not sealed systems?

 

[sebo_fan]

Yes they are sealed. And here is where I have to say more...

The HEPA filter cartridge that the Americans demanded for their X series vacs LEAKS dust.

This is why most European countries with SEBO vacs don't use the HEPA filters made for the X series. The K series for example has a HEPA style motor exhaust but the air that gets pumped out of that vacuum goes through an S-Class designed fabric filter.

The new E Airbelt series doesn't have ANY paper pleated HEPA filters nor does the D series canisters.

The Evolution/Mechanical upright that you got to get your hands on does possess a HEPA filter but that is only for the bag on top of it; the S-Class roll to the side filters the air that emits out of the machine.

The S-Class filtration system is a higher degree of filtered air but it is more expensive to manufacture/install than cheap paper pleats, which can impede suction and air flow dependent on the vacuum cleaner and its design. S-Class uses electrostatic material to trap dust particles in the air but lets the airflow be maintained.

 

[vacerator]

Sebo fan,

Yes, I agree with that. The hepa cell lock type bags are also better. Even a Sears Kenmore (Panasonic) progressive uses them, and at a $200 price.
My Oxygen, aka Electrolux Smartvac cylinder in the UK has the Goretex washable hepa filter.

 

[rootcyclone]

Fantastic design's fall from grace...

I agree here. Dyson cleaners aren't as good as they used to be, and this a great shame in the vacuum cleaner world.

The biggest problem I have with the newer Dyson cleaners is the build quality - They just don't make them like they used to. I remember going hands on with a DC50 and I couldn't believe how much the handle flexed in my hand. Ok, flex isn't always a bad thing. Coming from an engineering perspective you can't have a handle that has no flex otherwise it would be brittle and eventually snap off. However, in the DC50 there's too much flex which makes me feel as if I'm going to un-intentionally bend the handle during normal use.

I found that the cut-off point for quality Dyson cleaners was in the late 2000s with the DC26 City. It felt really well made and could take a beating. Everything before the DC26 was great. I currently own three Dyson cleaners (a very early DC04 Absolute + from December 1998, a DC14 Animal from 2006, and a DC25 Animal from 2009) and I think they're great products. Most importantly however is the fact that they're well made. Though I must confess that the DC14 I have feels like a much better build than all of the Dyson cleaners I've ever owned.


It's such a shame that Dyson products have gone down in quality. I used to consider the Dyson brand as the best in vacuum cleaners, but since the downgrade in quality that's no longer the case (give me a Numatic any day). Whilst they may be simple machines they are actually built extremely well, and I value that.

A solid piece of design is considered, tested, and built really well...

 

[dys0nb0y]

Rootcyclone

Have you even tried any of the current generation, because the plastic is got so much better even better than the old once flexible but tough.

 

[rootcyclone]

I have not been hands on with a new Dyson since 2014. They just don't interest me anymore. Machines from Sebo and Numatic seem better built in my view and more interesting. Such a shame the way Dyson has gone in recent years..