Dyson engineering ineptitude and complacency

[sebo_fan]

"I had a large dog and wanted a machine that I could empty after each use so the hair and dander didn't grow bacteria and stink."

I have been down this route so many times with second hand bagged and bagless uprights. In the end I realised it wasn't the filters at fault but the hoses and dust channels that get clogged with oily pet hair deposits. Once those areas are cleaned out the older HEPA filters I kept over worked again.

Its not the filter or brand that can often be at fault but the simplest of things such as the hoses and dust channel air ways that require a good grouting out!

 

[vacerator]

I agree guy's,

but who has time to clean out hoses and wands?

 

[sensotronic]

U5096

Paul, or Marcus as he is sometimes called, is not on Youtube. U5096 is a Policeman called Ryan.

I think that ibasiac bloke is called Roger. I met him once and he seemed really stuck up, but he loves his vacuums.

 

[sebo4me]

I like your Sebos photo Roger but where is your G1?

 

[sebo_fan]

You only need to clean out hoses and wands periodically, Vacerator. These things take time to build up again. Of course if a manufacturer could come up with a seamlessly smooth interior it wouldn't take half as long to clean every coil. When I think about it, neither my Miele or SEBO hoses need to recoil, but I understand some ribs are required to protect the exterior of the hose and ribbed ones are probably cheaper to manufacture by now.

 

[sensotronic]

That's an old photo Mar...Paul.

 

[sebo4me]

Oh it's time you updated it then

 

[sensotronic]

You should update your photo to show the real you.

 

[vacerator]

photo updates;

If I were 35, I would also. Not that I look bad for 56.
But I know what Tony Danza looks like now, so no.

 

[kenkart]

My two cents

When the Dysons first got popular, Jimmy Martin brought one to my house, I then had plush carpet, he vacuumed and vacuumed and got up a small amount of dust and dog hair, I hooked up my E series Rainbow and made 2 passes behind the Dyson and got up all sorts of sand grit and hair, My opinion then as now is that all the suction in the world is useless if not effectively applied, A Dyson to me is a tinkertoy with a big motor in it, I will keep on using my good vintage machines.A Hoover 150 or 63 will clean rings around one, with much less effort.

 

[Mike81]

If someone posted this video already I apologise.
But this is how to test vacuums fairly.
This is not typical "who vacuums last wins".
He vacuumed with the first vacuum multiple passes and emptied it.
Then he vacuumed again with the same vacuum and only got tiny amount of stuff.
Then he vacuumed with the second vacuum and got a lot more stuff from the carpet.


http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK-7X3oSVoA

 

[parwaz786]

Seriously they just HAD to use that puny little Dyson DC50 when comparing it to a full sized machine? Not a fair comparison.

 

[Mike81]

I was going to mention about it, but that's what I was also thinking. Dyson Cinetic Big Ball would have been better choice. My comment was about the testing methods.

 

[parwaz786]

Yes I totally agree

 

[sptyks]

Here is an interesting test...

that was done several years ago. It may be somewhat out dated, but I think all the tests are still valid today. All of the tests were done with a Dyson DC14 and a Kirby G5, but I believe that if they were all repeated today between a Dyson DC65 or Cinetic and a Kirby Avalir, the results would be the same. There is a lot of reading here, but it is very interesting reading.


 


http://www.greatvacs.com/education/KirbyVsDysonVacuumReview.html

 

[Mike81]

airflow

I knew that Kirby would have more airflow than Dyson, but so much! And top of all that with the hose!

Dyson = 1 out of 10
Kirby = 7 out of 10

 

[kenkart]

Re airflow

Just about any machine with a open fan design will have superior airflow, but not as much sealed suction, but really, its airflow that picks up dirt.Thats why the Apex StratoCleaner and Dual Delux Sunbeam clean so well, just one big fan.

 

[vacerator]

air flow vs suction cont.,

Air flow is like wind. Suction is more like inside of a vacuum. One can move dirt well. The other can suck it out from deep crevices, and fibers.
Filter Queen demonstrators put a sofa cushion in a sealed plastic bag and attach the hose to show how string suction can flatten the cushion.
Rainbow demonstrators use a white cloth between the upholstery tool and the hose to show how it can suck deep down carpet soil out.
So a power brush combined with a cylinder is the best, or an upright with also sealed suction.

 

[sptyks]

When cleaning carpets and rugs, a strong "direct air" machine such as a Kirby or Royal is unbeatable for removing the most dirt. Sealed suction is almost useless when removing dirt from a carpet. Remember "You have to move the air in order to move the dirt."

 

[parwaz786]

Vacuums can suck through carpets and here's proof airflow is needed to clean:

Put something in your hand, like a marble.

Grab a powerful Dyson for example. Take the hose off the powerful Dyson and put it on your hand with the marble on aswell. Now switch the Dyson on for a few secs then turn it off. The marble is still there. Why? Well even though there is powerful suction, there's no airflow so it's like a vacuum. If there was a slight gap between the hand and he hose there would be airflow for the marble to get sucked in. Carpets are porous and so a powerful vacuum can do well especially with a powerful brushroll