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[turbo500]

My point was not against your opinion, or saying that you are not entitled to it. You should know by now that varying opinions are more than welcome on here, as long as they are appropriately discussed. The thing I object to is the blurting out of opinions as though it's a fact AND posting in discussions where you know nothing about the topic, have not done adequate research on the topic before posting and have no experience of using the product.


 


As Ryan quite rightly pointed out, the Sebo upright cleaners are all low wattage - my x1.1 is only 1150w and my Mums Felix is 1300w. There are also a whole host of other postive and negative points to be made about Sebo cleaners (such as high filtration, quiet motors, the air belt bumpers, ease of use, weight, cost and the successful history of the company) but instead of taking any of this into account or bothering to discuss these, you went straight ahead and started slagging off Sebo for using high wattage motors.


 


"Sebo are obviously lacking in the design department"


 


(Apologies for my choice of language) The above statement is a load of bollocks. Computer controled height adjustment, S-Class Hospital Grade filtration, the unique filter setup of the Automatic X, first "swivel neck" on the market, air belt bumbers to protect furniture (infact, the shape of the D series is designed to that it won't get stuck on any furniture or doorframes in use), the block check door on the X range and not to mention the most important and succesful of Sebo's designs, the 350 was the first upright EVER to feature an on-board hose.


 


Lacking in design? I think not. A higher wattage motor certainly does NOT equal a poorly designed machine.

 

[jmurray01]

"A higher wattage motor certainly does NOT equal a poorly designed machine." Well if it is well designed, it should not need 2100 watts! I'm sorry Chris, I have great respect for you and know you are more knowledgeable than I, but I just can't fathom it! Especially as the uprights are low wattage and perform excellently (as you've told me).

I am not wholly against upping the motor wattage to achieve better cleaning results, but what I am against is upping it to the point of going too far.

I have a Panasonic MC-E8011 as I'm sure I've mentioned, which is a bagless cylinder and has a 1800W motor. The high wattage IS required in that application due to the fact that it has a poor cyclone design (not Panasonic's fault to be fair, since Dyson held all the good cyclone patents back in 2004), but if the Sebo is a bagged unit, there should be no such issues to overcome with sheer power.

Perhaps you could elucidate a little on my queries.

I do hope I haven't tarnished my name with my previous statements, I was only saying what I saw and to me they make perfect sense, though, perhaps not very well thought out, for that I apologise.

 

[turbo500]

On the subject of lower wattages, it IS happening. It has to. See link below. Although I feel 500w and 750w is slightly excessive, I agree with the principal.

Jamie, we've had many great conversations and I have absolutely nothing against you - please don't think that because I disagree with you here that my opinion of you will change.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-power-of-vacuum-cleaners-to-save-energy.html

 

[alexhoovers94]

I must say I think the motors in the felix sound very cheap compared to there x series machines, and god knows why they are so many watts because they don't have that much more suction than an x series machine which is a lot lower wattage.
I personally don't like the felix, I find it heavy and hard to manouver, I much prefere the x series as they are lighter to use but they never touch the floor peoperly.
The turbopower 2 is the best clean air I have ever used.

 

[jmurray01]

"The turbopower 2 is the best clean air I have ever used." Even opposed to your Sebo ?

Well well...

 

[alexhoovers94]

Yh, sebos are very overated in my opinion, they are good but they are not the best, I am sorry but that os just my view. My mums X4 does nothing my turbopower 2 doesn't do.

 

[turbo500]

My mums X4 does nothing my turbopower 2 doesn't do

Apart from having stronger suction, higher filtration, better build quality, computer controled height adjustment, lifetime guarunteed belts, larger top-fill bags and a far better design less prone to blockages

 

[jmurray01]

That's because the Sebo doesn't have the... ACTIVATOR!

 

[turbo500]

sebos are very overated in my opinion

So, going out to buy a new vacuum, what would you rather own? They're by far the best on the market today. Really, the only decent brands worth buying these days are Sebo, Miele, Bosch/Siemens (which also includes John Lewis own brand cylinders) and Dyson if you want bagless.

 

[jmurray01]

I think what he means is on the scale of clean fan Vacuum Cleaners there are better than Sebo.

Well, for me I'd rather have a Numatic, but you already guessed that didn't you ?

Sure, that isn't an upright, but with an Airobrush it can be just as good as the modern uprights with basic brush rolls, as long as you don't let the bag get too full of course or the turbine will stop spinning.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Better build quality, please, there is hardly a difference in the quality of the x4 and the turbopower 2!
The computer controlled adjustment which can not make it's mind up wheater it wants to dig into the bottom of the carpet or hover above it, stronger suction maybe but what is the point in stronger suction if it hardly touches the carpet, it is like a panasonic upright for heavens sake.
slightly bigger bags which are more expensive than turbo 2 bags, I have never had my turbo 2 block and who gives a monkeys about high filtration, as long as it is not blowing an apocalyps of dust out the vents, then it is good enough, a vacuum is a vacuum not an air purifier.

Give me a turbopower 2 anyday!

 

[jmurray01]

HEAR HEAR ALEX!

 

[alexhoovers94]

If I was buying a new vac these days I would by a Dyson DC41, they offer more convenient features than a sebo, like longer reach wand, easier maneuverability, longer hose, brush on/off and active base plate for CONSTANT contact with any floor surface.

 

[Jakesvacs]

As much as I do love sebo I find they never touch the floor good enough to provide deep cleaning that they could easily manage. Mine has hardly been used so maybe its because the brushroll is still lengthy meaning the head will not adjust lower to compensate for brushroll wear which may increase cleaning ability because the suction is closer to the carpet. Its good on hardfloor and certain carpets but I would say a dyson could out perform it.
The Sebo felix is a different story, their brushroll's make great contact with the floor because of their basic manual height adjustment so they can pick up great.
Perhaps if Sebo made the x4 touch control near the top of the bag compartment so you can choose how low it goes. Tiny bit like a Dyson Dc28.

 

[sebo_fan]

 


<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Helvetica;">Alex Im not entirely sure how you've picked up on some fact that the Felix has a higher motor than the X series = there are two X models - and not available elsewhere in the world - the X1.1 has a 1150 watt motor whilst the flagship has a 1300 watt motor - same with the Felix 1300 watt motor. </p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Helvetica;">For those who need manual carpet adjustment, they'll find it harder to manage - a reason to why Sebo UK stopped production of the manual height control fitted Sebo G1 series. The auto sensor head on the X as you know lessens the weight from the handle - frankly over my TP2s series which I owned for many years (and also thought it was the best clean air upright on the market) my mind was changed as soon as I triedt a Sebo X1! The Sebo X1 Automatic is like a progressive step up from a Hoover Turbopower series 2 and 3 - a very similar design - and yet much lighter to handle, far more suction from its better made sealed suction design and unlike the Hoover models, a darn sight easier to take apart or inspect for blockages should it ever arise. I could never steer a Hoover TP2 or 3 with just a pinch of my fingers on the handle - you can with a Sebo X.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Helvetica;">Alex - Sebo uprights are the best - they were rated number 1 by Which UK. That says a lot for the consumers who report back their findings as opposed to single opinions. Hoover TP2 and 3 series are hard plastic bodied uprights, made strong but not as strong as Sebo's X models - if they had an auto sensor like Sebo, then yes perhaps they would be closer in feel to the Sebo X.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Helvetica;">Secondly, the so called Hoover Activator has been known to damage hard floors because of its tufts of plastic - anyone with an open mind could see that - the Sebo brush roll lacks the activator, yet still manages to groom a carpet as good as a Hoover. If its good enough for Buckingham Palace and the White House, its good enough for my home!</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Helvetica;">Jamie - an airbrush on a Henry compared to a modern upright with a basic brush roll - no comparison and also for the fact that Sebo uprights have a bag indicator that shows you when the bag is full. That's another reason to why Sebo have high power - it gives more power to the air turbo brushes and less likely to slow down as the bag starts to near its life.</p>
 

 

[jmurray01]

Oh the Activator can damage hard floors, of course it can, but who would use an upright on hard flooring ? Not me, nor you I'd hope to think.

If you adjust the height to the hard flooring setting (which I wouldn't recommend due to poor performance) then it won't damage it at all. In saying that, it won't do anything either!

 

[alexhoovers94]

I understand your comments ryan but for me, I never like using sebo's they do't feel like they are doing anything. The X4 doesn't do much for my carpet, it can't stay in contact with the floor correctly to clean it correctly. The sebo brand are just not really for me, I never liked the X4 when I tried it and that really put me off sebo, I have never been let down by a Hoover, kirby or numatic, although I am not into numatics now I think they are really good cylinders second to miele.

 

[sebo_fan]

Interesting view, Alex but have you ever owned a Miele vacuum? I looked at your profile and see that you don't have one listed. Therefore it is impossible to judge by others opinions alone. Id say they're better than Numatic in a lot of respects but I also like Numatic because they make simple machines for the commercial market with better sealed motors and that's where my experience of them stems from well before I bought my own Charles machine. 


 


Physically of course Numatic can't be compared to Miele with their appliances and like Sebo, Numatic produce nothing but floor care appliances and associated equipment dedicated to the cleaning industry.


 


Jamie - I clean hard floors with my Sebo uprights - both the X and the Felix. Both are designed to clean hard floors anyway - and they both do without damage. 

 

[jmurray01]

Well personally I don't like pulling an upright back and forth on hard flooring, it feels wrong!

 

[sebo_fan]

Oh well, you'd have a hard time with a Hoover polisher then!