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Better build quality, please, there is hardly a difference in the quality of the x4 and the turbopower 2!
The computer controlled adjustment which can not make it's mind up wheater it wants to dig into the bottom of the carpet or hover above it, stronger suction maybe but what is the point in stronger suction if it hardly touches the carpet, it is like a panasonic upright for heavens sake.
slightly bigger bags which are more expensive than turbo 2 bags, I have never had my turbo 2 block and who gives a monkeys about high filtration, as long as it is not blowing an apocalyps of dust out the vents, then it is good enough, a vacuum is a vacuum not an air purifier.

Give me a turbopower 2 anyday! :)
 
If I was buying a new vac these days I would by a Dyson DC41, they offer more convenient features than a sebo, like longer reach wand, easier maneuverability, longer hose, brush on/off and active base plate for CONSTANT contact with any floor surface.
 
As much as I do love sebo I find they never touch the floor good enough to provide deep cleaning that they could easily manage. Mine has hardly been used so maybe its because the brushroll is still lengthy meaning the head will not adjust lower to compensate for brushroll wear which may increase cleaning ability because the suction is closer to the carpet. Its good on hardfloor and certain carpets but I would say a dyson could out perform it.
The Sebo felix is a different story, their brushroll's make great contact with the floor because of their basic manual height adjustment so they can pick up great.
Perhaps if Sebo made the x4 touch control near the top of the bag compartment so you can choose how low it goes. Tiny bit like a Dyson Dc28.
 
 


<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Helvetica;">Alex Im not entirely sure how you've picked up on some fact that the Felix has a higher motor than the X series = there are two X models - and not available elsewhere in the world - the X1.1 has a 1150 watt motor whilst the flagship has a 1300 watt motor - same with the Felix 1300 watt motor. </p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Helvetica;">For those who need manual carpet adjustment, they'll find it harder to manage - a reason to why Sebo UK stopped production of the manual height control fitted Sebo G1 series. The auto sensor head on the X as you know lessens the weight from the handle - frankly over my TP2s series which I owned for many years (and also thought it was the best clean air upright on the market) my mind was changed as soon as I triedt a Sebo X1! The Sebo X1 Automatic is like a progressive step up from a Hoover Turbopower series 2 and 3 - a very similar design - and yet much lighter to handle, far more suction from its better made sealed suction design and unlike the Hoover models, a darn sight easier to take apart or inspect for blockages should it ever arise. I could never steer a Hoover TP2 or 3 with just a pinch of my fingers on the handle - you can with a Sebo X.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Helvetica;">Alex - Sebo uprights are the best - they were rated number 1 by Which UK. That says a lot for the consumers who report back their findings as opposed to single opinions. Hoover TP2 and 3 series are hard plastic bodied uprights, made strong but not as strong as Sebo's X models - if they had an auto sensor like Sebo, then yes perhaps they would be closer in feel to the Sebo X.</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Helvetica;">Secondly, the so called Hoover Activator has been known to damage hard floors because of its tufts of plastic - anyone with an open mind could see that - the Sebo brush roll lacks the activator, yet still manages to groom a carpet as good as a Hoover. If its good enough for Buckingham Palace and the White House, its good enough for my home!</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 14.0px Helvetica;">Jamie - an airbrush on a Henry compared to a modern upright with a basic brush roll - no comparison and also for the fact that Sebo uprights have a bag indicator that shows you when the bag is full. That's another reason to why Sebo have high power - it gives more power to the air turbo brushes and less likely to slow down as the bag starts to near its life.</p>
 
 
Oh the Activator can damage hard floors, of course it can, but who would use an upright on hard flooring ? Not me, nor you I'd hope to think.

If you adjust the height to the hard flooring setting (which I wouldn't recommend due to poor performance) then it won't damage it at all. In saying that, it won't do anything either!
 
I understand your comments ryan but for me, I never like using sebo's they do't feel like they are doing anything. The X4 doesn't do much for my carpet, it can't stay in contact with the floor correctly to clean it correctly. The sebo brand are just not really for me, I never liked the X4 when I tried it and that really put me off sebo, I have never been let down by a Hoover, kirby or numatic, although I am not into numatics now I think they are really good cylinders second to miele.
 
Interesting view, Alex but have you ever owned a Miele vacuum? I looked at your profile and see that you don't have one listed. Therefore it is impossible to judge by others opinions alone. Id say they're better than Numatic in a lot of respects but I also like Numatic because they make simple machines for the commercial market with better sealed motors and that's where my experience of them stems from well before I bought my own Charles machine. 


 


Physically of course Numatic can't be compared to Miele with their appliances and like Sebo, Numatic produce nothing but floor care appliances and associated equipment dedicated to the cleaning industry.


 


Jamie - I clean hard floors with my Sebo uprights - both the X and the Felix. Both are designed to clean hard floors anyway - and they both do without damage. 
 
Better build quality, please, there is hardly a difference i

Ever seen a Sebo with a split bagged door? The T2, 3 and 1000 were a nightmare for the door splitting inwards. Also the poor, narrow designs of the internal air ducts mean that they're also prone to blockages. Again, something that was addressed on Sebo cleaners. As for your comments about the auto height adjuster, I've never had a problem with mine. Apart from the initial few seconds when it's adjusting, it remains in constant contact with all my floor types, including a rather uneven, low pile carpet on my landing. 
 
I have to say Chris I've never seen a TP2/3/1000 in my LIFE with a cracked bag door.

Yes, it does happen, but only if it is used repeatedly with a full bag, which is rare as the bag full light comes on before damage to the door could occur.
 
turbopower 2 all the way

i have the felix royale and i loved it when i first got it, but now eughh for a start no dusting brush, and the hose hardly even stretches and it always falls over when im using the tools, the bags are tiny and fill up quickly and it is heavy to use, and the height ajustment hardly moves the head, also its like an industrial room heater, yes it has good suction and average performance and amazing filteration, but i dont find myself sneezing after use of the turbopower 2 and i have allergies
 
Chris


I have heard of the bag door splitting but I have NEVER seen a turbopower 2 with a split bag door before, mine however has a stress line in the lower center part of the bag door, when you cover the hose a slight line of stress shows up, but I have inspected it and doesn't look like it will break, but we'll see.
Over all though you have to agree that the quality isn't terribly different, it is british made and it is Hoover......
 
Turbopower 2 in the U.S??


 


For a start they don't come with a HEPA filter, so how it can filter out allergens is beyond me. I had a few of these, so I know. The highest filter they sported was a microfilter with a black carbon filter underneath to protect the motor.


 


As for the Felix, the fan runs high if you constantly put it to the highest setting - but it doesn't require it - but I find it was much quieter than the older 1000 watt TP2 U2464 Autosense in its highest cleaning mode. I am surprised that you found the manual adjuster to be of no use - I find it handles so easily on the fourth and third setting and always picks up first time. Unlike the TP2/3 series, the Felix feels a lot lighter to push. It is also marketed as a small to medium home vacuum, hence the 3.5 litre dust bag and the short 3 metre hose - if you want bigger you'd have to buy the X series and the user manual does suggest that you hold onto the vacuum when using the hose to avoid it falling over. The Felix bag capacity versus the TP2/3 is 2 litres smaller - so no wonder you felt that the bags were small.


 


Also, the reason why no dusting brush comes with it as standard is simply because it was designed to be used with just the two tools you do get and you can buy the optional dust brush if you really require it. I wish I could say that my TP2's didn't fall over when the hose was used, but they did - so the Felix and the TP2 is really no different where hose trips are concerned despite the hose on the Hoover models being longer. 


 


Again though, its comparing a vacuum built in the middle of the 1990s to a vacuum that was launched in 2005. The TP2 doesn't have the possibility of changing floor heads or the fact that it can be used with a shoulder strap as a hand held. Thus, it isn't really fair to compare a conventional upright vacuum that has one use compared to the Felix which offers versatile cleaning uses - and other optional floor heads - or for the very fact that it has a auto stop brush stop button, a brush roll stop incase anything gets stuck and to top it all off, a swivel built in to get around corners. 


 


You wouldn't compare a vintage Hoover to a Vorwerk stick with a PN -  but that's exactly what the Felix's main rival is.

[this post was last edited: 8/29/2012-19:57]
 
Firstly Ryan, "thekirbyfan" isn't actually in Hollywood, he's in England I believe.

Secondly, a 3 metre flex on a Sebo!?

Are you sure ?

I don't know why ANYBODY would buy something these days that has a flex HALF the length of my Hoover Senior's, which is just on the line of being too short.

No, if that is correct, I shall never be buying one of those, that is ridiculous.
 
See how quick you judge a post when you've misread it and then put an opinion that antagonises people?


 


The Felix and X comes with a 9.5 metre length cord and 12 metres on each - quite frankly far more than your Senior can ever hope to have unless you have gone to the bother of fitting a longer cord yourself. Also, don't you have to go to the bother of looking the fitting out and then fitting the pan convertor and associated hose to the Senior each time you want to clean with it? Nah, I like everything on board. Far quicker and less bulk.


 


 
 
"Nah, I like everything on board. Far quicker and less bulk." So do I, which is why a Turbopower 2 is my daily cleaner.

I did apologise for my mistake, we are not machines like our Vacuum Cleaners Ryan, we are humans who make mistakes. For that I cannot apologise, nobody can.
 
OK, Chris, I think Ryan now knows that any Sebo is nothing compared to a Hoover Senior now anyway, so that is finished :)

(That was sarcasm by the way).
 
Jamie, what I am about to say, I say with love, compassion and the spirit of true brotherhood....


 


 


SHUT THE HELL UP. 


 


You both obviously rattle eachother's cages and you are doing yourself no favours by mouthing off. Give it a rest!
 
Well said Chris :-) (said with with love, compassion and the spirit of true brotherhood as well) I think just agree to disagree
 
I think just agree to disagree

Completely. The rest of us seem to get on fine, despite differing opinions, therefore WHY is it so impossible for there to be some sort of middle ground here? 


 


 
 

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