NEW SEBO WEBSITE UPDATE

[sebo_fan]

Just thought I'd see what Sebo Germany were up to, and it seems that they have updated their whole online site. 


 


www.sebo.de


 


Also there's a new Limited Range of Sebo Felix models to view on this site with worldwide flags now forming the exhaust filter designs and the Crystal version. Thus, flags are available with the "Berlin," "Germany," and for the U.S fans, a Stars and Stripes version!!


 


Videos have also been uploaded on the site, including one for the recently introduced D series commercial cylinder vacuum.


 


 


 

 

[sebo_fan]

The K3 Premium UK model has also been increased from 1800 watts to 2100 watts to match the K3 Vulcano.


 


There's also a redesigned Parquet nozzle for the Felix Premium but there are no photos for this as yet.

 

[jmurray01]

2100W for a Vacuum Cleaner ? Utter madness.

Sebo are obviously lacking in the design department to require such ridiculously high wattage motors to make the machines perform well.

And if they are doing it just to save face, well, that is just a sign of poor management.

I believe if Numatic ventured into the upright market and kept their tried and tested 1200W motors then they would blow Sebo out of the water, but that is just me.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm bashing Sebo, but I'm just stating what I see before me.

 

[sebo_fan]

Well, clearly as per usual your ignorance is nothing short of surprising. 


 


The 2100 watt models refer to the cylinder vacuums - I believe Hoover do offer the same wattage with Miele topping the highest at 2200 watts.


 


Clearly if you had bothered to research before you post, you'd have learnt that the Sebo uprights all have low watts - up to 1300 watts infact.


 


In the future check the info listed before making a judgement.


 

 

[jmurray01]

Fact still stands Ryan, 2100W is TOO MUCH.

I don't care if Hoover do it too, as I've openly said in the past, I have no respect for Hoover as it stands these days, so you can't throw that at me.

 

[sebo_fan]

Ill do what I like - you're not a moderator on here, and I'm fed up of you preaching about your ruddy Hoover Ranger. You seem to think that everyone has to have a Hoover or a vacuum with low power to make the grade - not so. 


 


As for high watts - vacuum cleaners do NOT produce high electricity charges - mind you, they may in your house since you appear to be OCD about vacuuming and have to do it every day. Give me some online evidence that shows a vacuum cleaner is costlier to run than an electric hob that uses 3000 watts - or even a high powered rapid boil kettle at 2500 to 3000 watts - appliances which I think, if you think about it, ARE used every day.


 


 

 

[jmurray01]

Oh I'm not complaining for the cost of electricity, although as you rightly pointed out it probably would have an impact with my daily vacuuming (which keeps my carpets at optimum cleanliness and makes them last longer).

The reason for my complaining is because of the moral issues here.

I have a 1400W Electrolux Tango Z5001 bagged which has exceptional suction even with an almost full bag. Lets look a bit further... Oh yes, my 1200W Numatic Henry; it is fantastic and would suck blood from a stone right up until the bag is full to bursting.

If you want to go even lower, then look at the Numatic James with only 800 Watts! It has 250 Air Watts - incredible for any motor wattage, especially 800.

So my moral issue with it is, WHY DO WE NEED 2100 WATTS!?

Surely if we did Numatic wouldn't be selling their vacuums at the rate they are with gleaming reviews.

 

[sebo_fan]

Moral issues?? Well first of all you are quoting a Numatic - which is a commercial based vacuums - as are Sebo uprights. Those have lot watts for the industry. 


 


Daily vacuuming doesn't protect carpets - regardless of whether you are using a suction only tool or roller brush - and you're a fool to think otherwise. The more you daily vacuum, the more you'll wear out your carpets. Of course, again Jamie unless you have actually paid for a carpet yourself, you won't know the damage your incurring each time you suck out non-existent dirt. 


 


You so easily forget the other details that make other brands worthwhile. All of the SEBO cylinder vacuums can sit on a step and some of the models have a 2.4 metre hose - enough to satisfy those who like long hoses like Henry, yet Henry can't sit on steps - unless of course you have big luxurious steps wide enough to accomodate a large base floor plant in a pot. Which standard UK homes with a stair case have steps like that? Do any of the smaller cleaning tools fit on board Henry? No. The high powered vacuums by Sebo are also substantially lighter.


 


I note that the dust bags on your Tango measure 2 litres full capacity - the K series has a 3 litre dust bag perfect for small to medium homes. The K series is also far lighter than your Tango and has a hospital grade filter.


 


Also I doubt that your Henry can be easily carried or stored easily - as we all know its taken the best part of 30 odd years for Numatic to finally put a storage slot on the back of Henry to store the floor tool.


 


Frankly I don't mind a high powered vacuum - but one that is easy to use with everything that I need and one that works WITH ME gets my vote. 


 


 


 


 

 

[Sanifan]

Go Stars and Stripes!!!...But the Union Jack Felix looks a lot better, IMO.

 

[sebo_fan]

I actually like the Stars and Stripes one! If the Royale was made in black, I think the British flag would stand out more and conversely I think the Stars and Stripes in red would be far more powerful looking as a style statement.

 

[jmurray01]

I'll address the issues in ascending order so as not to confuse you, us fools can confuse people easily you see.

You make reference to sucking up "non-existent" dirt, well I have to say that is not true.

When on the rare occasion I use a bagless Vacuum Cleaner there is always dirt sucked into the bin even when vacuuming a seemingly clean carpet.

I'm sure I don't have to explain to you that carpet clings onto air borne dust, the same type you see in a layer covering hard flooring after only a short time between brushing, or indeed vacuuming.

As for wearing out my carpets, well, I've been vacuuming daily for over a year now and the carpets are still A-OK. If they deteriorate, I shall let you know. However, I shall not stop daily vacuuming as I strongly believe I'm removing harmful dust (to you) and grit (to the carpet) by doing so.

Now, you say Henry cannot sit on conventional steps, which is 100% correct, however the carry handle allows for easy lifting to keep him with you as you go up the stairs, or if you so desire you can purchase a 5M hose for stair cleaning to get to the top without even MOVING Henry! And to fit that hose for stair cleaning purposes ? Well, the original one just unscrews from his "face" and the new one screws on - simples.

As for the Tango, well, it CAN sit on steps incredibly well actually, due to the fact it has a flat end and the exhaust is on the top so nothing is blocked off.

Hospital grade filtration ? That's great, but both Henry AND the Tango can be equipped with HEPA cloth bags.

You see, those two vacuums I mentioned, both low wattage, are brilliant machines and I'm sure if you tested them extensively enough, you'd find they would at least break even with the Sebo, or in my opinion (and that is all it is I assure you), beat it.

 

[turbo500]

Sebo are obviously lacking in the design department to requi

There is so much wrong with this statement, I don't know where to start.


 


Firstly, the Sebo cylinders are all variable power cleaners. You have to remember Jamie, that the wattage stated by these cleaners is the maximum it can possibly use and will almost never reach that amount of power. Same deal with Miele cylinders which have a purposely "everyday" setting for optimum cleaning at the lowest wattage and noise level. Most Miele owners never need to go above this.


 


I agree completely with Ryan on this one, I'm afraid. You really need to stop bad-mouthing so many products all over the forum, especially (as in this case) when it's a cleaner you have not used and know nothing about. Do your research before posting comments like this.

 

[turbo500]

I strongly believe I'm removing harmful dust

...using a dirty fan, softbag cleaner notorious for leaking fine dust particals back into the air? I don't think so.


 

 

[turbo500]

Sorry if it sounds like I'm bashing Sebo, but I'm ju

without doing any research OR using the product. Thus making your entire point invalid.

 

[sebo_fan]

Ty Chris...

Jamie - is it really practical for an elderly owner to climb stairs with a heavy tube set, all 7kg of Henry and holding in one hand trying to clean a step - get real! Regardless of the long hose, at least the Sebo (and other compacts) can be sat nearby with tools on board as well as any other cleaning requirement.


 


Also 1400 watts back in the day was high power compared to rivals, Jamie. I recall wondering whether my 1300 watt Hoover Arrianne was too powerful at the time of purchase in 1998 compared to the 1000 watt Goblin Rio we had in a rented student flat share.  Its about time you stopped trying to promote what you already have and trying to compare it to more modern appliances. 


 


 

 

[turbo500]

Jamie, I know you love your oldies (don't we all), but the fact of the matter is a lot of the vintage machines we love would be considered impractical by todays standards - there are good reasons why the market changes.


 


Whilst I agree with you regarding the lower wattage of Henry, you have to bare in mind that it is a tub style cylinder and NOT a canister style cylinder - the suction will remain more consistent and stronger because of the larger surface area above the bag where the motor housing is. The Sebo cylinders on discussion here (as well as Miele and many other cylinders on todays market) have the motor below or behind the bag (like a clean air upright) and therefore is bound to require a more powerful motor to maintain performance.


 


Having owned an Electrolux Tango, I can assure you, the performance and build quality is nothing compare with the Sebo and Miele cylinders of the same style, but that is to be expected when one considers the price range that the Tango sold in.


 


I have told you this before in many threads, there are more factors to take into consideration with such discussions. When it comes to vacuums, very little can be taken at face value as those of us who have been here for a while have learnt. There are both good and bad factors to every cleaner on the market and the sooner you learn this and stop openly bad-mouthing without any real point, the better.


 


I'm not trying to be rude and I'm not slagging you off at all, but there is a limit and your comments on this thread are beyond a joke.  

 

[jmurray01]

Chris, I know that the wattage can be turned down, but the fact is, why is there an option to have it so stupidly high in the first place ? With good design, even though it is a cylinder and not a "tub" vacuum as you so rightly stated, it should not need that many watts to provide superb suction.

It is just not necessary, surely people can see that!?

Actually Chris, I only use my soft bagged Vacuum Cleaners once or twice a week, for everyday cleaning I use my Turbopower 2 and 1000 (as I believe I told you, the motor for the TP1000 is bought I'm just waiting to get it now), both of which have good filtration with Genuine Hoover bags, two pre-motor filters and a micro exhaust filter.

So actually, I AM removing the dust and keeping it away, minus the small amount which manages to escape the bag, pre-motor filters and finally the exhaust filter, which I don't imagine is much.

As for elderly people struggling, I do believe they would with Henry, but quite frankly in my opinion they would struggle with ANY average weight Vacuum Cleaner which is why I would advise a handheld vacuum for stairs and a lightweight upright for carpets.

Though, opinions differ, we wouldn't be human otherwise.

 

[turbo500]

Jamie, you have missed the point entirely and read into my post only what you wanted to.

 

[jmurray01]

In that case I don't know what I was supposed to have read because I thought I understood fine.

 

[turbo500]

My point was not against your opinion, or saying that you are not entitled to it. You should know by now that varying opinions are more than welcome on here, as long as they are appropriately discussed. The thing I object to is the blurting out of opinions as though it's a fact AND posting in discussions where you know nothing about the topic, have not done adequate research on the topic before posting and have no experience of using the product.


 


As Ryan quite rightly pointed out, the Sebo upright cleaners are all low wattage - my x1.1 is only 1150w and my Mums Felix is 1300w. There are also a whole host of other postive and negative points to be made about Sebo cleaners (such as high filtration, quiet motors, the air belt bumpers, ease of use, weight, cost and the successful history of the company) but instead of taking any of this into account or bothering to discuss these, you went straight ahead and started slagging off Sebo for using high wattage motors.


 


"Sebo are obviously lacking in the design department"


 


(Apologies for my choice of language) The above statement is a load of bollocks. Computer controled height adjustment, S-Class Hospital Grade filtration, the unique filter setup of the Automatic X, first "swivel neck" on the market, air belt bumbers to protect furniture (infact, the shape of the D series is designed to that it won't get stuck on any furniture or doorframes in use), the block check door on the X range and not to mention the most important and succesful of Sebo's designs, the 350 was the first upright EVER to feature an on-board hose.


 


Lacking in design? I think not. A higher wattage motor certainly does NOT equal a poorly designed machine.

 

[jmurray01]

"A higher wattage motor certainly does NOT equal a poorly designed machine." Well if it is well designed, it should not need 2100 watts! I'm sorry Chris, I have great respect for you and know you are more knowledgeable than I, but I just can't fathom it! Especially as the uprights are low wattage and perform excellently (as you've told me).

I am not wholly against upping the motor wattage to achieve better cleaning results, but what I am against is upping it to the point of going too far.

I have a Panasonic MC-E8011 as I'm sure I've mentioned, which is a bagless cylinder and has a 1800W motor. The high wattage IS required in that application due to the fact that it has a poor cyclone design (not Panasonic's fault to be fair, since Dyson held all the good cyclone patents back in 2004), but if the Sebo is a bagged unit, there should be no such issues to overcome with sheer power.

Perhaps you could elucidate a little on my queries.

I do hope I haven't tarnished my name with my previous statements, I was only saying what I saw and to me they make perfect sense, though, perhaps not very well thought out, for that I apologise.

 

[turbo500]

On the subject of lower wattages, it IS happening. It has to. See link below. Although I feel 500w and 750w is slightly excessive, I agree with the principal.

Jamie, we've had many great conversations and I have absolutely nothing against you - please don't think that because I disagree with you here that my opinion of you will change.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-power-of-vacuum-cleaners-to-save-energy.html

 

[alexhoovers94]

I must say I think the motors in the felix sound very cheap compared to there x series machines, and god knows why they are so many watts because they don't have that much more suction than an x series machine which is a lot lower wattage.
I personally don't like the felix, I find it heavy and hard to manouver, I much prefere the x series as they are lighter to use but they never touch the floor peoperly.
The turbopower 2 is the best clean air I have ever used.

 

[jmurray01]

"The turbopower 2 is the best clean air I have ever used." Even opposed to your Sebo ?

Well well...

 

[alexhoovers94]

Yh, sebos are very overated in my opinion, they are good but they are not the best, I am sorry but that os just my view. My mums X4 does nothing my turbopower 2 doesn't do.

 

[turbo500]

My mums X4 does nothing my turbopower 2 doesn't do

Apart from having stronger suction, higher filtration, better build quality, computer controled height adjustment, lifetime guarunteed belts, larger top-fill bags and a far better design less prone to blockages

 

[jmurray01]

That's because the Sebo doesn't have the... ACTIVATOR!

 

[turbo500]

sebos are very overated in my opinion

So, going out to buy a new vacuum, what would you rather own? They're by far the best on the market today. Really, the only decent brands worth buying these days are Sebo, Miele, Bosch/Siemens (which also includes John Lewis own brand cylinders) and Dyson if you want bagless.

 

[jmurray01]

I think what he means is on the scale of clean fan Vacuum Cleaners there are better than Sebo.

Well, for me I'd rather have a Numatic, but you already guessed that didn't you ?

Sure, that isn't an upright, but with an Airobrush it can be just as good as the modern uprights with basic brush rolls, as long as you don't let the bag get too full of course or the turbine will stop spinning.