Sebos reaction to the new EU regulaitons on vacuum wattage!?

[hi-loswitch98]

That's interesting Chris, seems that might not have been a Dyson idea at all.

One thing I've always thought about SEBO uprights is that they've always looked weird, due to the extension tube handle. I always wondered how you used the hose. I used to see SEBO & the 'Ensign Stealth' versions in Bunzl Cleaning Catalogues & thought they looked weird compared to a Dyson, which by the early - mid 2000's were everwhere.

 

[sebo_fan]

The C series - I think - had 1500 watts when it was first launched.

The K series was produced for buyers looking for a smaller cylinder vac - the C series was SEBO's larger series.

The X1 got a stepped motor to compensate for other power tools like the stair cleaning turbo brush plus I think SEBO wanted to raise the power a little for other markets. Basically SEBO do tend to cater for what their owners want, or rather move on improvements suggested. Not all of them though - I'd still like to see the SEBO X have a variable slider suction control like the Felix plus brush roll on/off function.

 

[madaboutsebo]

Thanks sebo_fan for answering my many questions.

Quite low then when the C series came out - motor wattage.

Good to know SEBO listen to the owners and generally respond to what they would like to see. Me too that would be great to see the X series have though improvements. Hopefully one day!

 

[hi-loswitch98]

I thought the motor wattage was 1600w maximum this year then 900w maximum in 2017?

 

[madaboutsebo]

Your correct hi-loswitch98.

Think vacuum manufacturers are working towards the 2017 EU law of 900 watts now rather than wasting money and investment of working towards 1600 watts soon only to have to change again in a few years. SEBO have launched a 700 watt K series on the German website.

 

[sebo_fan]

Currently SEBO's D2 Eco Plus has a 1200 watt motor available in Germany. It may well appear on the UK website at some point. Their smaller length hose D1 (also not available in the UK) starts with a 1600 watt motor, so SEBO's Eco Plus version at least for the D series is low enough for the moment.

 

[dys0nb0y]

I know That Samsung Has invented a 900 W motor for the Samsung motion Sync Is a digital motor the 10 year motor warranty

http://allaboutsamsung.de/2013/09/dyson-verklagt-samsung-wegen-neuem-motionsync-staubsaug

 

[turbo500]

I always wondered how you used the hose

It's quite simple, really. The hose stores inside the wand, so when you remove the wand from the holder, the hose extends.

The user has the choice of using either the wand or just the hose. The hose comes out by pressing a button on the wand to release it. I'll try and get some pics or a video to demonstrate for you, Beckham.

Edit: found a pic online that might help

 

[turbo500]

Or you can use the hose like this, without the wand

 

[turbo500]

Another hose shot

 

[hi-loswitch98]

The Professional D has a 1200w motor but misses the Cord Rewind, however the Cord is easily replaceable.

The hose seems easy to use now yes, but when you first take a look in the cleaning catalogues you wonder, especially when you're about 5 years old, lol.

I tend to use the hose & extension tube, but usually for above floor cleaning I use the Hotpoint Cylinder, but for when you spot dirt in the corners or cobwebs as you go along then it is so easy just to whip it out (the extension tube) with the hose & suck up those cobwebs. I don't tend to put the machine in the upright position, though.

 

[turbo500]

Sorry Beckham, I completely forgot you've just got one.

Unnecessary photo posting there - my mistake

Have you tried using any of the dusting tools yet? The upholstery tool is one of my favourites.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

It's OK, your forgiven

The Upholstery Tool is a favourite of mine too, due to the strip of brushes. The Crevice Tool is nice too, nice & long

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Sebo definitely are the most advanced I think in the vacuum game. Their vacuums are such good quality and well designed. Simple things like having the cord coming out of the handle, which means being able to store is easily without bending down, the on/off switch and variable suction at the handle as well, and of course the swivel steering which came out before dysons ball. Sebo's system which nearly all other vacuum makers other than dyson have copied (not only because dyson patented their, but because the dyson ball is needlessly complex)

It will certainly be interesting to see what new models sebo bring out to conform to the new legislations. As much as I don't agree with them, simply because of the politics behind it, it will be interesting to see how they will get around the suction challenge (manufacture have done it before).

I'd imagine it would be much more difficult for vacuum makers to make bagless vacuums sub 900's watts with more or less the same suction as todays bagless, with their cyclones and silly designs which drain suction power.

 

[turbo500]

I think companies like Sebo, Miele, Numatic and Dyson will be just fine. Reports are coming in regarding the new Numatic cleaners pulling in plenty of suction to effectively clean and Dyson are really pioneering the digital motor. I got to use one of the 1050w Ball cylinders recently and, my opinions about Dyson aside, the suction is fantastic. Miele have been 1200w around the rest of the world for years.

I think the most interesting changes will come from TTI companies like Hoover and Vax. They've both been using cheap, excessively powerful motors in their machines for a long time now, which has been causing them to overheat and burn out more easilly than a lot of other brands. So I think the changes to their cleaners are welcome more so than with other brands.

 

[sebo_fan]

Well the Vax Mach Air already has 1200 watts, Vax and TTI could just use the same motor in all of their vacs but they'd have to change the filter design and I don't think it would be that expensive for them to change to NLOS filters in everything - when you consider that the Vax Mach Air Reach model is selling now for £100 to £120 online at a lot of franchises, the price drops are amazing value but also proof that it can be done.

Interestingly SEBO's K1 with its new 700 watt motor seems to have the same rate of airflow to SEBO's K1 with 1800 watts. It too comes with the Wessel Werk Eco floor head.

Spec list translated from SEBO Poland.

 

[madaboutsebo]

I hope SEBO bring out the D2 Eco Plus to the UK. Interesting to see the K1 with the 700 watt motor has the same airflow as the K1 with 1800 watt motor. Must be a new motor design be interesting to see how they perform.

All though X series pics Chris is making me want my X series sooner!!

Be interesting to see if others will follow Dyson in using digital motors well a form of them in the future!

 

[madaboutsebo]

On a side note there is some nice reviews on Amazon UK from users who have purchased new X Series recently under the X1.1, X4 Extra, X4 (White and Yellow one), X4 Pet nice to see and read!

I emailed SEBO UK to see what prices they sell the X series for....mmm think I will pass on that one!!

 

[turbo500]

Jon, you'll pay through the nose if you go direct. Amazon and Co-Op have the X4 Extra at the best price at the moment - £229.

 

[sebo_fan]

Long term reliability will be the task test for digital motors if SEBO invest in it. That is after all, part of their reason to be. If a DDM isn't long lasting, then they won't go for it.