sebo_fan
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Just sent.
Sebos reaction to the new EU regulaitons on vacuum wattage!?
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madaboutsebo
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Thank you, just received it. Appreciate it thanks.
sebo_fan
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It may well be that SEBO took it offline because it is out of date by today's date. It doesn't give much away - they're a very conservative company.
madaboutsebo
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Your probably right there things change and move on. It's given me a little insight into the Brandcand what SEBO are about. They sure are and don't give toouch away which is good in some ways! They seem to do things there own way which I like and don't blame them. Probably one of the reasons I love the Brand and vacuums as they are different. Look forward to see what SEBO do next or what new machines they may bring out which I know they take time over. Least they are well engineered and built.
Thanks again for the PDF appreciate it.
Thanks again for the PDF appreciate it.
sebo_fan
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No probs, glad I could help.
madaboutsebo
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You certainly did and thanks for the general information you share on here about SEBO vacuums interesting info and I always learn something new about them.
sebo_fan
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What amazes me about SEBO as a brand is that they are very much ahead of their time with a lot of design elements that are now becoming standard across other brands. There's still not another upright on the market that has an easy to inspect brush roll, let alone take the whole thing out when it needs cleaning. About the closest is the Vax Mach Air with its removable clips on the front floor head to get complete access to the brush roll in an instant.
SEBO of course acknowledge that they have never invented the vacuum cleaner but they have improved on the design from a commercial point of view. That commercial expertise travels to their uprights, which is their main seller. Thus, low motor wattage has always been a SEBO blue print in terms of their requirements, though I don't know what they will do with the SEBO X when the law changes to 900 watts.
The only reason they brought out the X1.1 and X4 was to have an increase in suction power.
However, the Airbelt seen on the C series was also SEBO's first way of absorbing scrapes on the machine itself, plus protecting the home and an additional way to diffuse exhaust air. It too had a lower rate of power when it was first launched.
Only one other brand has since developed a similar air bumper - Bosch with their AirBumper - but it isn't the same since the air is diffused out the top on their cylinder vacs and not all of their ranges offer the Air Bumper.
The only machine that the company have produced by demand of buyers is the K1 - it has always had either 1500, 1600 and 1800 watts until the increase to 2100 watts a couple of years ago. Im pretty sure the next model they do redesign will of course be the K1. It will probably match the similar design of the D series, but possibly with a smaller filter on board and being able to house a few more cleaning tools.
SEBO of course acknowledge that they have never invented the vacuum cleaner but they have improved on the design from a commercial point of view. That commercial expertise travels to their uprights, which is their main seller. Thus, low motor wattage has always been a SEBO blue print in terms of their requirements, though I don't know what they will do with the SEBO X when the law changes to 900 watts.
The only reason they brought out the X1.1 and X4 was to have an increase in suction power.
However, the Airbelt seen on the C series was also SEBO's first way of absorbing scrapes on the machine itself, plus protecting the home and an additional way to diffuse exhaust air. It too had a lower rate of power when it was first launched.
Only one other brand has since developed a similar air bumper - Bosch with their AirBumper - but it isn't the same since the air is diffused out the top on their cylinder vacs and not all of their ranges offer the Air Bumper.
The only machine that the company have produced by demand of buyers is the K1 - it has always had either 1500, 1600 and 1800 watts until the increase to 2100 watts a couple of years ago. Im pretty sure the next model they do redesign will of course be the K1. It will probably match the similar design of the D series, but possibly with a smaller filter on board and being able to house a few more cleaning tools.
madaboutsebo
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They certainly are I agree with you there, SEBO certainly are ahead of their time in both design and technology in the simplicity of easy to use and maintain. Certainly isn't thats for sure, I love that you can inspect the brush roll and easily remove it. Dyson came close with their DC15, DC18,DC24 and DC25 in that you could remove the brush bar but needed a coin or tool to unlock the end caps!
They certainly have improved on the design of the vacuum cleaner. Thats what fascinates me how they use a lower watt motor but still their machines perform great, the brush roll is some of the key to that I suppose and simple air path too. Yes it will be interesting when the new EU law of 900 watts comes into play what they will do with the SEBO X. Maybe a new model or redesign to work with a 900 watt motor who knows only SEBO do!
Was that increase in suction power to compete with others on the market, or was it so the turbo head worked on the hose?
I think the Airbelt is a great idea, how low was the wattage on the C series when it first came out?
Thats interesting to know about the K1, was that because the buyers wanted a compact light machine compared to the C series? Interesting you say that about the K1 in that it could be the next model they redesign, a mini version of the D series that be interesting to see. Do you not think they will redesign the X series or the Felix at some point? Or update them both?
They certainly have improved on the design of the vacuum cleaner. Thats what fascinates me how they use a lower watt motor but still their machines perform great, the brush roll is some of the key to that I suppose and simple air path too. Yes it will be interesting when the new EU law of 900 watts comes into play what they will do with the SEBO X. Maybe a new model or redesign to work with a 900 watt motor who knows only SEBO do!
Was that increase in suction power to compete with others on the market, or was it so the turbo head worked on the hose?
I think the Airbelt is a great idea, how low was the wattage on the C series when it first came out?
Thats interesting to know about the K1, was that because the buyers wanted a compact light machine compared to the C series? Interesting you say that about the K1 in that it could be the next model they redesign, a mini version of the D series that be interesting to see. Do you not think they will redesign the X series or the Felix at some point? Or update them both?
turbo500
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Well, interestingly enough Jon, the Sebo Dart was launched 18 months before the DC15. The Sebo swivel neck pre-dates The Ball.
madaboutsebo
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Thanks Chris thats interesting to know as I didn't know that, SEBO certainly are pioneers.
hi-loswitch98
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That's interesting Chris, seems that might not have been a Dyson idea at all.
One thing I've always thought about SEBO uprights is that they've always looked weird, due to the extension tube handle. I always wondered how you used the hose. I used to see SEBO & the 'Ensign Stealth' versions in Bunzl Cleaning Catalogues & thought they looked weird compared to a Dyson, which by the early - mid 2000's were everwhere.
One thing I've always thought about SEBO uprights is that they've always looked weird, due to the extension tube handle. I always wondered how you used the hose. I used to see SEBO & the 'Ensign Stealth' versions in Bunzl Cleaning Catalogues & thought they looked weird compared to a Dyson, which by the early - mid 2000's were everwhere.
sebo_fan
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The C series - I think - had 1500 watts when it was first launched.
The K series was produced for buyers looking for a smaller cylinder vac - the C series was SEBO's larger series.
The X1 got a stepped motor to compensate for other power tools like the stair cleaning turbo brush plus I think SEBO wanted to raise the power a little for other markets. Basically SEBO do tend to cater for what their owners want, or rather move on improvements suggested. Not all of them though - I'd still like to see the SEBO X have a variable slider suction control like the Felix plus brush roll on/off function.
The K series was produced for buyers looking for a smaller cylinder vac - the C series was SEBO's larger series.
The X1 got a stepped motor to compensate for other power tools like the stair cleaning turbo brush plus I think SEBO wanted to raise the power a little for other markets. Basically SEBO do tend to cater for what their owners want, or rather move on improvements suggested. Not all of them though - I'd still like to see the SEBO X have a variable slider suction control like the Felix plus brush roll on/off function.
madaboutsebo
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Thanks sebo_fan for answering my many questions.
Quite low then when the C series came out - motor wattage.
Good to know SEBO listen to the owners and generally respond to what they would like to see. Me too that would be great to see the X series have though improvements. Hopefully one day!
Quite low then when the C series came out - motor wattage.
Good to know SEBO listen to the owners and generally respond to what they would like to see. Me too that would be great to see the X series have though improvements. Hopefully one day!
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I thought the motor wattage was 1600w maximum this year then 900w maximum in 2017?
madaboutsebo
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Your correct hi-loswitch98.
Think vacuum manufacturers are working towards the 2017 EU law of 900 watts now rather than wasting money and investment of working towards 1600 watts soon only to have to change again in a few years. SEBO have launched a 700 watt K series on the German website.
Think vacuum manufacturers are working towards the 2017 EU law of 900 watts now rather than wasting money and investment of working towards 1600 watts soon only to have to change again in a few years. SEBO have launched a 700 watt K series on the German website.
sebo_fan
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Currently SEBO's D2 Eco Plus has a 1200 watt motor available in Germany. It may well appear on the UK website at some point. Their smaller length hose D1 (also not available in the UK) starts with a 1600 watt motor, so SEBO's Eco Plus version at least for the D series is low enough for the moment.
I know That Samsung Has invented a 900 W motor for the Samsung motion Sync Is a digital motor the 10 year motor warranty
http://allaboutsamsung.de/2013/09/dyson-verklagt-samsung-wegen-neuem-motionsync-staubsaug
http://allaboutsamsung.de/2013/09/dyson-verklagt-samsung-wegen-neuem-motionsync-staubsaug
turbo500
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I always wondered how you used the hose
It's quite simple, really. The hose stores inside the wand, so when you remove the wand from the holder, the hose extends.
The user has the choice of using either the wand or just the hose. The hose comes out by pressing a button on the wand to release it. I'll try and get some pics or a video to demonstrate for you, Beckham.
Edit: found a pic online that might help
It's quite simple, really. The hose stores inside the wand, so when you remove the wand from the holder, the hose extends.
The user has the choice of using either the wand or just the hose. The hose comes out by pressing a button on the wand to release it. I'll try and get some pics or a video to demonstrate for you, Beckham.
Edit: found a pic online that might help
turbo500
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Or you can use the hose like this, without the wand
turbo500
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Another hose shot
hi-loswitch98
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The Professional D has a 1200w motor but misses the Cord Rewind, however the Cord is easily replaceable.
The hose seems easy to use now yes, but when you first take a look in the cleaning catalogues you wonder, especially when you're about 5 years old, lol.
I tend to use the hose & extension tube, but usually for above floor cleaning I use the Hotpoint Cylinder, but for when you spot dirt in the corners or cobwebs as you go along then it is so easy just to whip it out (the extension tube) with the hose & suck up those cobwebs. I don't tend to put the machine in the upright position, though.
The hose seems easy to use now yes, but when you first take a look in the cleaning catalogues you wonder, especially when you're about 5 years old, lol.
I tend to use the hose & extension tube, but usually for above floor cleaning I use the Hotpoint Cylinder, but for when you spot dirt in the corners or cobwebs as you go along then it is so easy just to whip it out (the extension tube) with the hose & suck up those cobwebs. I don't tend to put the machine in the upright position, though.
turbo500
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Sorry Beckham, I completely forgot you've just got one.
Unnecessary photo posting there - my mistake
Have you tried using any of the dusting tools yet? The upholstery tool is one of my favourites.
Unnecessary photo posting there - my mistake
Have you tried using any of the dusting tools yet? The upholstery tool is one of my favourites.
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It's OK, your forgiven 
The Upholstery Tool is a favourite of mine too, due to the strip of brushes. The Crevice Tool is nice too, nice & long
The Upholstery Tool is a favourite of mine too, due to the strip of brushes. The Crevice Tool is nice too, nice & long
oliveoiltinfoil
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Sebo definitely are the most advanced I think in the vacuum game. Their vacuums are such good quality and well designed. Simple things like having the cord coming out of the handle, which means being able to store is easily without bending down, the on/off switch and variable suction at the handle as well, and of course the swivel steering which came out before dysons ball. Sebo's system which nearly all other vacuum makers other than dyson have copied (not only because dyson patented their, but because the dyson ball is needlessly complex)
It will certainly be interesting to see what new models sebo bring out to conform to the new legislations. As much as I don't agree with them, simply because of the politics behind it, it will be interesting to see how they will get around the suction challenge (manufacture have done it before).
I'd imagine it would be much more difficult for vacuum makers to make bagless vacuums sub 900's watts with more or less the same suction as todays bagless, with their cyclones and silly designs which drain suction power.
It will certainly be interesting to see what new models sebo bring out to conform to the new legislations. As much as I don't agree with them, simply because of the politics behind it, it will be interesting to see how they will get around the suction challenge (manufacture have done it before).
I'd imagine it would be much more difficult for vacuum makers to make bagless vacuums sub 900's watts with more or less the same suction as todays bagless, with their cyclones and silly designs which drain suction power.
turbo500
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I think companies like Sebo, Miele, Numatic and Dyson will be just fine. Reports are coming in regarding the new Numatic cleaners pulling in plenty of suction to effectively clean and Dyson are really pioneering the digital motor. I got to use one of the 1050w Ball cylinders recently and, my opinions about Dyson aside, the suction is fantastic. Miele have been 1200w around the rest of the world for years.
I think the most interesting changes will come from TTI companies like Hoover and Vax. They've both been using cheap, excessively powerful motors in their machines for a long time now, which has been causing them to overheat and burn out more easilly than a lot of other brands. So I think the changes to their cleaners are welcome more so than with other brands.
I think the most interesting changes will come from TTI companies like Hoover and Vax. They've both been using cheap, excessively powerful motors in their machines for a long time now, which has been causing them to overheat and burn out more easilly than a lot of other brands. So I think the changes to their cleaners are welcome more so than with other brands.
sebo_fan
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Well the Vax Mach Air already has 1200 watts, Vax and TTI could just use the same motor in all of their vacs but they'd have to change the filter design and I don't think it would be that expensive for them to change to NLOS filters in everything - when you consider that the Vax Mach Air Reach model is selling now for £100 to £120 online at a lot of franchises, the price drops are amazing value but also proof that it can be done.
Interestingly SEBO's K1 with its new 700 watt motor seems to have the same rate of airflow to SEBO's K1 with 1800 watts. It too comes with the Wessel Werk Eco floor head.
Spec list translated from SEBO Poland.
Interestingly SEBO's K1 with its new 700 watt motor seems to have the same rate of airflow to SEBO's K1 with 1800 watts. It too comes with the Wessel Werk Eco floor head.
Spec list translated from SEBO Poland.
madaboutsebo
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I hope SEBO bring out the D2 Eco Plus to the UK. Interesting to see the K1 with the 700 watt motor has the same airflow as the K1 with 1800 watt motor. Must be a new motor design be interesting to see how they perform.
All though X series pics Chris is making me want my X series sooner!!
Be interesting to see if others will follow Dyson in using digital motors well a form of them in the future!
All though X series pics Chris is making me want my X series sooner!!
Be interesting to see if others will follow Dyson in using digital motors well a form of them in the future!
madaboutsebo
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On a side note there is some nice reviews on Amazon UK from users who have purchased new X Series recently under the X1.1, X4 Extra, X4 (White and Yellow one), X4 Pet nice to see and read!
I emailed SEBO UK to see what prices they sell the X series for....mmm think I will pass on that one!!
I emailed SEBO UK to see what prices they sell the X series for....mmm think I will pass on that one!!
turbo500
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Jon, you'll pay through the nose if you go direct. Amazon and Co-Op have the X4 Extra at the best price at the moment - £229.
sebo_fan
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Long term reliability will be the task test for digital motors if SEBO invest in it. That is after all, part of their reason to be. If a DDM isn't long lasting, then they won't go for it.
