Dyson Piston

[vac14012]

It's really stupid that the new robot vacuum has the cyclone on the auto emptying dock but not the actual vacuum like the VisNav. That means the actual vacuuming performance is going to be terrible, it'll just clog and lose suction like other non cyclone bagless systems. Unless there's some technology they're not talking about in the robot itself.

I also think they should just be honest about working with Picea instead of trying to hide it, looks desperate and dumb. And frankly it's sad to look at the very obviously not Dyson looking robot vac next to the other products made exclusively in house. The PencilVac for example is such a fun and innovative product, and the Robot is the complete opposite.

 

[shattered]

I'd love to know how many people who've tried and liked a cordless stick vac would ever go back to a mains machine. I haven't and never would.

Er, can you provide a simple link to this mystical literature that makes this claim and directly conflicts with their other literature saying it's a lifetime filter? There's nothing in the V16 manual about replacing it, which directly conficts with your statement.

You're peddling total nonsense. It's common knowledge that Dyson filters and brushrolls etc. are lifetime and never need replacing unless they have been abused and neglected. There are no running costs on their machines. Anyone who claims differently is required to provide convincing evidence...and not a dot has ever been provided when they've been challenged. That tells you all you need to know.

I have to completely disagree with you on brush rolls.
They absolutely need replacing, carbon fibre bristles wear down and with detangling vanes, nylon bristles wear down too.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Well, on some older machines, like the V6 (no longer sold), the carbon fibre bristles, which are extremely delicate, could wear away for some people (not all). Usually if you ran over nails sticking out and such. That was an exception than a rule, since they redesigned them later to not fail that like. It's also true that the V15/Gen5 nylon and carbon fibre bristles wear down in the regions where they hit the comb vanes (and why such technology is a bit shit), but the brushbar still works effectively that I can't really quantify a significant difference. So, I'm not convinced you have to replace those. In general, you never need to replace a roller (unless abused).

 

[centralsweeper63]

Here I have found a video from 2012 showing a samsung robot vacuum going over the spot again for regular vacuuming. go to 3:30 for that feature.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Interesting, but this is not apples to apples. The technology isn't just 'does it go over the same spot again', it's (for wet cleaners specifically) does it detect a heavy stain, does it check after it has attempted to clean it to confirm it's removed, if not does it return and make as many attempts as necessary until it's gone? It's not clear this 2012 samsung machine is doing that from that promo, nor could it since it's a dry vac and not a stain remover.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I am not saying they re exactly the same, though I am saying they are similar. I think either dyson or the company making the robot maybe saw this idea and ran with it.

 

[vac14012]

Either way the vacuum so far looks not great. I'd love to see data and be proven wrong when it comes out, but the fact that it has those stupid spinning whisker things isn't giving me much hope.

I will say being charitable in the early days of Dyson they used to use Wessel-Werk to design their attachments, essentially just rebranded. So I guess technically it's not the first time Dyson has done something like this. But those were just attachments. This is an entire Vacuum.

 

[cheesewonton]

https://www.dyson.com/support/vacuum-cleaners/cordless/filter-care

 

[cheesewonton]

https://www.dyson.com/support/vacuum-cleaners/cordless/filter-care

From experience I have some Bissell and European Electrolux products that make the claim that their HEPA exhaust filters are washable but they never really come clean using just fresh water and after less than six washings they're done. These are pleated cloth HEPA filters btw.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I am not saying they re exactly the same, though I am saying they are similar. I think either dyson or the company making the robot maybe saw this idea and ran with it.

Yeah, maybe. it's fairly intuitive. As always, what's the point of cleaning if you don't do the job properly.

https://www.dyson.com/support/vacuum-cleaners/cordless/filter-care

I mean, your own link just verified my point and refuted yours. They say nothing about replacing them and only mention additional filters to maintain usage whilst the other is drying if you've not figured out you can use a cool fan to speed up drying time. I'm confident that your claim was a falsehood after being given a chance to defend it and failing. This, I've noticed, is a running theme from much of your output, which reduces credibility for future factual claims. It simply verified this place is too much of an exclusive echo chamber, where too often, merely challenging factual claims (that are clearly falsehoods) results in hypersensitivity and aggressively defensive behaviour.

However, you're right about rinsing with water alone not always unclogging a filter (for Dyson filters; I can't comment about others, other than their technology is inferior). I recently has this issue on the V16 after a ridiculous flour test. But this isn't something any user would likely face in normal real world use, and my careful and gentle machine wash technique restored to factory default. The mild detergent helps detach sticky substances caked onto the filter fibres.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

It's surprising how few reviews there are out there of the V16. It really shows the US dominance to YT content. Given that almost all reviews out there are cosmetic or junk, it's also exposes where most of that rubbish comes from. Sadly, I won't be releasing my review for the V16 until all the major 'reviewers' have released their reviews, so Dyson's delay releasing this product to the US is a blow on that front. What I might do in the meantime though, is release some myth busting videos. Are there any demos or myths people want busting, like "it doesn't clean hard floors" etc. I want to check if the loss of carbon fibre bristles prevents fine dust removal. I've already confirmed it's the quietest machine they've ever produced, dispelling the myth it's loud.

 

[liogu]

On a demo this basic, and controlled by dyson, they managed to tangle the robot vacuum. Seriously how did this product go past any manager and QA is beyond my comprehension.

 

[shattered]

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On a demo this basic, and controlled by dyson, they managed to tangle the robot vacuum. Seriously how did this product go past any manager and QA is beyond my comprehension.

That's what I thought, but they again it's not getting released until 2026 so still some time

 

[liogu]

That's what I thought, but they again it's not getting released until 2026 so still some time

I doubt there is room to fix manufacturing issues, the brush looks like the old models that were prone to tangling on older robots (namely roborock, eufy, etc).


Which is also identical to the brush used by irobot on their Picea-based robots, just with a different color palette.


All of which are prone to hair tangles as indicated by the user manual.