Dyson Piston

[cheesewonton]

Having to do a hack to fix the vacuum is a no go for me. That's indefensible imo and I would be reaming them for it if I made the review. It basically ruins any of the good features the vacuum may have. RIP V16 for me, too bad. Maybe the next one will be better.

Just buy a simple analog vacuum with a cord. They are out there and some will last the rest of your life given reasonable care. Companies like Sebo, Lindhaus, Aerus, Schoettler make durable buy it for life vacuums with no software to fret about.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I'm sure they work to some degree, but I just don't think you're going to convince anyone to go back to old technology, because it's less convenient and has other drawbacks. Market share is likely to hit parity between corded and cordless soon, with cordless dominating thereafter, especially when solid state batteries come out soon. Even if you go for a corded machine, independently verified data clearly shows Dyson's latest upright mains is the top performer with no running costs, so why someone wouldn't go for that one for the 'rest of your life given reasonable care' is anyone's guess.

 

[cheesewonton]

I'm sure they work to some degree, but I just don't think you're going to convince anyone to go back to old technology, because it's less convenient and has other drawbacks. Market share is likely to hit parity between corded and cordless soon, with cordless dominating thereafter, especially when solid state batteries come out soon. Even if you go for a corded machine, independently verified data clearly shows Dyson's latest upright mains is the top performer with no running costs, so why someone wouldn't go for that one for the 'rest of your life given reasonable care' is anyone's guess.

Filters are a running cost. Replacement brush rolls, If you can even buy one, are a running cost. The labor to clean them regularly is a cost too, a time cost. And the durability of something like a Sebo, Lindhaus or Aerus product means you are not forking out for a new vacuum for decades. That is money saved, a lot of money too because Diesoons are not inexpensive to buy. Pay $800 up front for a Sebo G5 and never have to buy another vacuum for a few decades. A package of Sebo dust bags that will last you a year or more costs less than replacing the filters on a Diesoon. Brush rolls are cheaper too, and more durable. Same story for Lindhaus and Aerus. Long term they are cheaper to own and less frustration overall. But oh dear they are not trendy. Who cares about trendy? Trendy doesn't clean my home.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

If you're replacing filters on a Dyson machine, then you're abused it. Simple as. They are lifetime filters and no one has ever shown evidence of a method to reproduce a filter failure from normal use, let alone actually define what they mean by the filter not working. They rest of those claims are unsupported by evidence, so we've no reason to believe them. Except the comment about trendy. Trendy does not clean homes; good engineering does, and there's evidence bearing on such claims for us to make up our minds.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Incidentally, this thread is now, by far, the most read (popular) in the history of this entire forum. All in just a few weeks and recently, despite the entire history of this place. This really does beautfifully reflect what can happen when more diverse topics are discussed, and evidences there's a real audience for interesting technology and topics. Thanks to all those who have contributed to this thread's success. it's worth contrasting this to the brutal and unfriendly hostility I faced here from some regulars when I first arrived; it seems it was at odds with reality.

 

[shattered]

Filters are a running cost. Replacement brush rolls, If you can even buy one, are a running cost. The labor to clean them regularly is a cost too, a time cost. And the durability of something like a Sebo, Lindhaus or Aerus product means you are not forking out for a new vacuum for decades. That is money saved, a lot of money too because Diesoons are not inexpensive to buy. Pay $800 up front for a Sebo G5 and never have to buy another vacuum for a few decades. A package of Sebo dust bags that will last you a year or more costs less than replacing the filters on a Diesoon. Brush rolls are cheaper too, and more durable. Same story for Lindhaus and Aerus. Long term they are cheaper to own and less frustration overall. But oh dear they are not trendy. Who cares about trendy? Trendy doesn't clean my home.

Excuse me but aren't you supposed to replace filters and brush roll on Sebo too? Plus hose that rips on Felix and deffo won't last few decades.

Not to mention that Felix or X series are soo noo user friendly. No wand on Felix, mediocre on hard floors unless you swap heads. X series has a wand but constantly spinning roller is a huge NO from me, plus hose retracts back into wand making it even harder to use than on upright Dysons.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Excuse me but aren't you supposed to replace filters and brush roll on Sebo too? Plus hose that rips on Felix and deffo won't last few decades.

Not to mention that Felix or X series are soo noo user friendly. No wand on Felix, mediocre on hard floors unless you swap heads. X series has a wand but constantly spinning roller is a huge NO from me, plus hose retracts back into wand making it even harder to use than on upright Dysons.

I've learned it's not always best to patch obvious nonsense with a dose of well-thought out and evidenced reality. It tends to just cause a doubling down of the nonsense and make you realise help is sometimes beyond reach.

 

[liogu]

Recent updates seem to confirm that Dyson is indeed using third party manufacturers to design and mass produce some of their products.


There is also a news chinese site that interviewed the CEO who mentioned a "long term cooperative relationship with companies such as iRobot, LG, Phillips, Xiaomi, Electrolux and Dyson".



The engineering and innovation era of dyson is over and there is no way of denying it, Dyson has not been part on the engineering of this product and are using third party chinese manufacturers to do the actual design & production.

After they realized that Picea was leaking on the robot being showcased @ IFA, they taped the QR codes and labels.

There is a good chance the new Air purifier being affected by this, who knows how far will this go? Their vacuums could be next (if not already impacted!). The new management and CEO at Dyson clearly see no point on investing on heavy R&D if they are willing to release products like these.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Seems to be just for robots, although I'd like to see evidence about other products and to what extent before listening to rumours. Interesting though, and I suspect it's a purely financially beneficial arrangement. They take some 3rd party base model and integrate their innovations in it. Seeing their robot have those spinning side whiskers just stunned me, because I distinctly remember Dyson showing why they were shit. And what happened to their innovative tank tracks? It's surprising, and supports the idea that Dyson is getting so big it's getting badly managed by profiteering suits rather than minds with vision. After some elements of the V16, my confidence in some of their decision making has been shattered. I'm still dumbfounded they made one particular decision.

My prediction is that the anti Dyson idiots (e.g. the rabid vacuum enthusiasts) will just fixate on the upcoming criticism from people like me, and embellish it whilst ignoring the genuine praiseworthy innovation and positive aspects. They'll just cherry pick and spin a half truth. They've actually always done this, but it'll be easier for them now.

 

[liogu]

Seems to be just for robots, although I'd like to see evidence about other products and to what extent before listening to rumours.

Correct, robots have been confirmed to be Picea and air purifier is to be determined.

They take some 3rd party base model and integrate their innovations in it

I'm afraid there is no innovation on these, the only novelty is the dock station empty bin which I have my doubts will be using Dysons IP but a copycat (see example of chinese robot with almost the same design)

Seeing their robot have those spinning side whiskers just stunned me, because I distinctly remember Dyson showing why they were shit. And what happened to their innovative tank tracks? It's surprising

Absolutely, almost everything about this release shares design decisions Dyson argued were poor.

This is very sad, why would they cover the labels only after somebody pointed out Picea... too late.



More examples:




The few things they featured at IFA are core features of the Picea base robot.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Interesting, although I'm not well read enough on robots to comment authoritatively; robots never really interested me.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I noticed Dyson have registered a trademark in Canada for "PISTON Stylized". Maybe they've put tinsel on it to cover up its shortcomings.

 

[vac14012]

that's a huge shame @ robot, if the picea stuff is true, that thing looks terrible. their robot vacuums were never really their greatest products, but the one benefit they had over others is they genuinely vacuumed carpet well over the competition. this thing looks like it definitely won't do that, and just looks poor in general. if this seeps into their core vacuum lines that's basically the end of the company.

 

[shattered]

that's a huge shame @ robot, if the picea stuff is true, that thing looks terrible. their robot vacuums were never really their greatest products, but the one benefit they had over others is they genuinely vacuumed carpet well over the competition. this thing looks like it definitely won't do that, and just looks poor in general. if this seeps into their core vacuum lines that's basically the end of the company.

Highly doubt it'd be the end of company.
Their hair care products are probably going to be their main thing.

 

[vac14012]

Highly doubt it'd be the end of company.
Their hair care products are probably going to be their main thing.

i basically meant the end of the company for me, sorry, should have clarified. i definitely won't be buying any products from them that are designed by a third party with the dyson name slapped on top. that's a disgrace. what's sad is, it's not just dyson either, both miele and sebo are going down this route as well. so there will be nowhere to turn to.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

i basically meant the end of the company for me, sorry, should have clarified. i definitely won't be buying any products from them that are designed by a third party with the dyson name slapped on top. that's a disgrace.

There is plenty of R&D occurring. My channel even outlines some of it. And my V16 review will do what every other paltry source on the internet hasn't so far—namely discuss why the innovations are a step up in detail and how they work. Not sure what the plans for their robots are. Maybe they'll have different tiers or something; who knows. One that looks like all the other shit out there to appeal to the lowest common denominator who lack the IQ to distinguish quality from a dupe, and one that innovates.

 

[shattered]

i basically meant the end of the company for me, sorry, should have clarified. i definitely won't be buying any products from them that are designed by a third party with the dyson name slapped on top. that's a disgrace. what's sad is, it's not just dyson either, both miele and sebo are going down this route as well. so there will be nowhere to turn to.

Sharks? No?
I hear they're soo much better than anything Dyson ever made
Their power detect apparently outcleans Gen5

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Sharks? No?
I hear they're soo much better than anything Dyson ever made
Their power detect apparently outcleans Gen5

ha. Am I right in thinking this rumour came without reputable evidence?