Vacuum Facts
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It's interesting they put so much of the total time in that talk to the hair care range. Apparently, this area brings in as much money for them as the vacuum cleaners. The V16 was hardly mentioned, which is telling.
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Vacuum Facts
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I was once told that the bigger a company gets, the more badly it's managed. I'm starting to wonder whether Dyson is going that way. They're spread out all over the place and it's not clear how well it's operating, at least at a technical level, internally. The V16 has really opened my eyes. I genuinely don't understand why Dyson would release a product that doesn't perform well. Like, how decisions internally are made based on data, and what data they've used to make their executive decisions. This is the first time I've had reason to lose confidence in them. And I should point out, it doesn't in any way verify all the rabid vacuum enthisiast anti-Dyson haters who never had a good or convincing reason, we're anti facts and anti science, and generally batshit screwballs. But that V16 data was quite a turning point for me. It's really given me difficulty preparing a review, as I really don't know how to manage the brilliant technical innovations (that no one is talking about because they seemingly lack any understanding) with the crappiness of the final product and how that was possible given that I KNOW they know and have solutions to various weaknesses. It's almost like they said, release it anyway. It stinks of a suit rather than a mind, internally.
Vacuum Facts
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Which bit was that out of interest?
Is there any chance Dyson simply didn't allow older products to discharge as deeply? If the cells they are using in the V16 have a newer chemistry that can continuously supply high currents for longer before excessive wear is an issue, then that may explain some (though probably not all) of the difference in runtimes.
It's unfortunate that it's so difficult to obtain direct power readings.
Vacuum Facts
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Well, all I can say is based on the reported run times and battery capacity, their power draw is lower in each mode during carpet cleaning. Suction is lower (also for other reasons) and their resulting cleaning performance is inferior. It's that latter point which is important and shocking to me.
regarding the stain recognition and this robot is the first or only one to do so (including the cleaning pattern) - 3iRobotix ones (this is a brand from the maybe used ODM Pieca) do so - some iRobot ones (that uses ODMs from Picea) do so - and other brands have similar stain recognition.
Vacuum Facts
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Ah. As someone unfamiliar with robots, I understood it to be specifically that it detects an approaching stain and then explicitly checks after it has gone over it that it has been removed fully, otherwise it immediately u-turns and goes back over it as demonstrated, and repeats until gone. Is there any video evidence to support that others do specifically this?
Vacuum Facts
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So I've figured out what's going on and where all the sources of performance 'downgrade' are, and shown that for the most part, there's a really simple hack you can do to restore performance to be near the Gen5. The ugly unswept centre line that all the Dyson haters are fixating on actually contributes negligibly, since you overlap strokes.
There's no software issue. It's running right. The 450 W label represents its nominal power. This is reduced compared to the Gen5 and they've clearly done this by modifying the default power mode to be much lower, with changes to sensitivity so that it's in its 'boosted' mode, when it detects a lot of dirt, much less to save on battery. This optimisation means you've got to be aware of this in testing to avoid accidentally not using its unboosted mode, which the Gen5 remained in for longer with typical test conditions. It is possible to get the ~900 W motor power output, but it will rarely ever be used, really highlighting the half truth of marketing ever bigger airwatts to cosmetically outshine the competition. I'll cover all this in my review. Suffice to say, that performance wise, with a little hack (that is ridiculous that it's needed and really what should be criticised since it was avoidable), and understanding how testing differs from real-world use, the V16 no longer really feels like a significant performance downgrade. I still think they've over focussed on run time increases rather than performance, but this appears to be a direct consequence of the majority of people not even noticing...or caring...about small performance increases. THey genuinely don't notice, but they do notice run times. Dyson seem to have done a best of both worlds approach for this one, increasing run times at the slight expense of performance (once the hack is applied). That one stupid design choice meant that performance reduction was hugely exaggerated but anyone who cares can fix this, as I'll show in the review. It does now feel like an upgrade overall, with caveats. Same with the new separator; once you know its limitations and understand how to distinguish between real world performance and 'test' performance, you realise it's not a downgrade, even though you can think that with 'test dust'. In the review, I'm going to explain how it works and why it can be poor in some circumstances—which you don't face in real world conditions but do when 'testing' from scratch. Fortunately I'm trained in spotting subtleties like this. I'm still going to criticise this machine, but I now actually like it and don't think it's a total dud for real-world use as some of the haters are desperate to claim, without evidence, yet relying on my hatred of some things.
I'm also aware of what's coming—I hope sooner than later. Can you believe this machine (the V16) was apparently completed in June 2022 according to patents, which would make it before Gen5 release. And they just sat on it for 3 years it seems. I suspect the next one is already complete.
So enlighten us love. What's the hack to improve performance?
Really looking forward to your video then.
Vacuum wars arent going to make one for a while, it's not even released in USA not even a date yet.
French guy might release something and he'll be saying Sharks are the same at a fraction of the price as he always does
So just make one don't wait for others
I gotta say, I like it way more than Gen5 Nd even more than V15.
Really looking forward to your video then.
Vacuum wars arent going to make one for a while, it's not even released in USA not even a date yet.
French guy might release something and he'll be saying Sharks are the same at a fraction of the price as he always does
So just make one don't wait for others
I gotta say, I like it way more than Gen5 Nd even more than V15.
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Vacuum Facts
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That's going to wait until the review so the trash reviews etc. don't copy me (you can probably figure it out from the physics outlined in the lecture video I made). I've got all but one piece of test data now to evidence how things work, which I'll try to get tonight. Still got lots of work to do before the review is done though. Sadly weeks, but I'm trying to get the majority done in the next 2-3 weeks before it becomes almost impossible due to total lack of time.
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Vacuum Facts
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Doubt you'd get anything useful from there...
Which guy's that?French guy might release something and he'll be saying Sharks are the same at a fraction of the price as he always does
I know his tests/reviews aren't very truth reflecting, he literally uses fluffy head on rugs/carpets but still.
Vacuum Facts
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Ah yeah. In the same camp as vacuum wars...might as well ask the mirror on the wall for your facts.
