Dyson Piston

[kirbylux77]

There are a couple things I noticed in Tayyab's video I didn't like. First, the center line of unswept dirt. Also, not liking that the front doesn't pick up well against walls. But for me what REALLY annoyed me was the dust cloud created emptying the cleaner! And the fact he had to push the wiper at least 3 to 4 times to get the rest out! Plus, the tool on the bin door gets in the way, so unlike the other Dyson V series stick vacs, you can't just so easily put it deep into a garbage can.

However, for me, one BIG REASON to avoid Dyson stick vacuums is how hard it is to take the cyclone apart and clean it. I took apart and cleaned a friend's Dyson V6 cyclone assembly as the vacuum smelled really bad. Separating the cyclone from the bin, rinsing out with hot water and letting dry overnight did not work - I had to take apart the entire cyclone, clean it out and reassemble. Considering how difficult it is to take apart and clean a Dyson V10 and later model cyclone assembly without breaking it, I cannot recommend for this reason alone! It's inevitable the average consumer will run into the same problem my friend did. This is the reason I much prefer my Shark Rocket HV381 over the Dyson-style stick vacs - just a foam and felt filter you rinse out every few uses and replace every 2 to 3 years. NO WAY will odours ever become a issue with it! Plus, when I compared to a Dyson V10 on it's medium power setting, my Shark was every bit as powerful.

 

[madaboutsebo]

I know a few in the UK that have the V16 and it may appear at the front of the floor head it’s comb vines it’s not its brushes which appear to help comb the hair off the cone shape brush bars. similar to the Wash G1 that has brushes behind the main rollers but they are spinning brush bars these are static!

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I know a few in the UK that have the V16 and it may appear at the front of the floor head it’s comb vines it’s not its brushes which appear to help comb the hair off the cone shape brush bars. similar to the Wash G1 that has brushes behind the main rollers but they are spinning brush bars these are static!

Yes, I'll explain why they are that way when I review it.

Before I do a review, I'm contemplating a series of short videos to address the clockwork propaganda and wilful bad faith already circulating after the usual early misleading videos that always surface. So far, against plenty of evidence already out there, the inaccurate, desperate conclusions we have are: 'it doesn't clean hard floors' and 'it's noisy'—no reputable data provided, as usual. Very easy to debunk. There's also plenty of evidence of barrel scrape negativity and the usual regurgitated tropes—like dust clouds and smells revealing ignorance rather than a genuine problem. This is also why I'm waiting a bit before doing a review. Just waiting for all the cosmetic boils and pustules to form across the internet before I go in and clean up with a basic fact-check. Keep em coming!

This thread has 3-4k lurkers—it's more popular than most of the stuff on this forum, which is an interesting observation.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I see they're officially building up to their launch on their homepage now.

 

[madaboutsebo]

They are! I can make out 3 machines what they could be but that turquoise round object not sure what that is!

 

[liogu]

New robot vacuum to be announced it seems!

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I've never been interested in robots for some reason, although some of the technology is interesting. Same with their fans and hair care products.

 

[liogu]

I've never been interested in robots for some reason, although some of the technology is interesting. Same with their fans and hair care products.

robot vacuums have had this trend where they get more expensive while being worse vacuums (decent robots though). Most of the robovacs are closer to sweepers than vacuums, dyson is the only exception.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Yeah. What's the point of a robot designed for cleaning if it doesn't do the cleaning part well... A robot on its own is indistinguishable from moving junk. Worth starting a thread about if robots are a talking point.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Damn it. Frickhelm has stolen my thunder. I was expecting no one to notice because no one does meaningful testing, but my hand is forced. The V16 is a TERRIBLE performer. The cleaning results are absolutely shockingly poor. They are the worst I've ever seen on any 'mains equivalent' Dyson product. It's a total disaster and undermines some amazing technology they put in there. They made one catastrophic mistake I'll evidence clearly in my review that has ruined the entire product. This will be the first time I've had reason to absolutely hammer Dyson in a review and it will evidence once and for all that all those rabid vacuum enthusiasts that aggressively accused me of being biased towards Dyson were as misguided as the smarter of us out there knew and as I'd repeatedly denied for years. My conclusions are based on the evidence. The evidence I have is clear: this machine is a BAD performer! I'm just so astonished Dyson made the mistake they made. I've completely lost confidence there are bright minds overseeing these products now since their seemingly disastrous internal reshuffle.

Just compare the findings I'll publish with the pathetic plethora of paid sponsor reviews that will flood the internet in 3 days when it's released and the embargo is lifted.

Incidentally, I should add that the ridiculously exaggerated testing seen in some videos is still invalid to draw these conclusions.

No wonder Dyson were so quiet with this release and are burying it with other product releases.

 

[liogu]

I used to love Dysons but they have had a tremendous downfall in the last 3-5 years, they started with post-sales service being affected (when they onboarded outsourced agents, they told 'local' agents that their jobs were safe). Just under a year after that, most of them were fired.

They then began outsourcing engineering as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are losing talent. I just don't believe in the future of a company that clearly optimizes hires for costs rather than brains.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but the recent track of dyson is not as good as it should be (given the standards they set in the past).

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I was aware of their poor customer service now, but this is the first evidence of astonishing technical oversight. I know they're putting graduates on these new products, but what are they educating them with at their university? How could they not know, or have tested, that one stupid simple design change wouldn't result in this physical behaviour? Do they not understand physics or their own history? I'm literally just amazed at what they did. My main driver for the development of my review now is to expose and evidence their utterly stupid mistake.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Ah, you know what, f*ck it, here's a preview of the cleaning performance data. Its default auto mode is WORSE than the freaking Dream Z30's auto mode (which is technically its boost mode)! There's a modification hack you can do to the V16 to improve performance in auto mode, which gets it as good as in boost mode, but even that is worse than the Gen5/V15 in its auto mode. The eco mode performance was so shit that I had to adjust the scale on the chart! Just unbelievable!

I just can't understand how it's possible that Dyson didn't know or check this. I can't figure out anything logical other than sabotage. I'm actually thinking there is so much internal discontent and politics going on that a few disgruntled employees are plausibly deniably sabotaging their products in ways like this. That's the only thing that makes any sense to me. But the number of people that would have to be involved to pull it off without notice also makes it improbable.

 

[vac14012]

I'm really hoping the left over dust in the machine when he removed the filter is some sort of user error somehow. Otherwise that's a huge yikes, that would mean dust is escaping the filter and could end up in the motor. That would be a disaster in a similar vein to the well intentioned but failed cinetic upright models.

I was really excited for the vacuum but not so sure now, unfortunately I'm feeling the cleaner head may be a jack of all trades master of none situation.

 

[vac14012]

Ah, you know what, f*ck it, here's a preview of the cleaning performance data. Its default auto mode is WORSE than the freaking Dream Z30's auto mode (which is technically its boost mode)! There's a modification hack you can do to the V16 to improve performance in auto mode, which gets it as good as in boost mode, but even that is worse than the Gen5/V15 in its auto mode. The eco mode performance was so shit that I had to adjust the scale on the chart! Just unbelievable!

I just can't understand how it's possible that Dyson didn't know or check this. I can't figure out anything logical other than sabotage. I'm actually thinking there is so much internal discontent and politics going on that a few disgruntled employees are plausibly deniably sabotaging their products in ways like this. That's the only thing that makes any sense to me. But the number of people that would have to be involved to pull it off without notice also makes it improbable.

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Oh you have one already? Jeeze that's terrible data. This is really disappointing. Crazy to think that the PencilVac may end up being a better product than the v16, in that it does what it's advertised properly. (Cleaning hard floors) V16 head is supposed to do both carpet and hard floors and sounds like it's going to fail at either.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I'm really hoping the left over dust in the machine when he removed the filter is some sort of user error somehow. Otherwise that's a huge yikes, that would mean dust is escaping the filter and could end up in the motor. That would be a disaster in a similar vein to the well intentioned but failed cinetic upright models.

I was really excited for the vacuum but not so sure now, unfortunately I'm feeling the cleaner head may be a jack of all trades master of none situation.

No it couldnt end up in the motor because there's a seal after the premotor filter before the motor. I've yet to test filtration performance, but there is conflict about that from the observations out there at the moment. I'll settle it eventually. This release has landed at a very bad time for me and this is competing heavily with many other things that are only going to get worse for my free time. I genuinely don't want to use the V16 to clean my floors though. What were they thinking?! I'm actually really annoyed with them. The cleaner head could so easily be amazing if they hadnt made some stupid decisions.

Oh you have one already? Jeeze that's terrible data. This is really disappointing. Crazy to think that the PencilVac may end up being a better product than the v16, in that it does what it's advertised properly. (Cleaning hard floors) I was going to buy the v16 but looking like i'll just skip on that, hold onto my V15 for now.

Oh yes, misread.

 

[liogu]

I know they're putting graduates on these new products, but what are they educating them with at their university? How could they not know, or have tested, that one stupid simple design change wouldn't result in this physical behaviour?

A friend worked there until 2021-2022 and was part of an engineering team, he left our of frustration. He was okay taking a pay cut just to join dyson (he was told he'd be able to do plenty of R&D, horizontal company, etc).

Not at all, maybe 10-15 years ago it was like that, nowadays engineers can't engineer without a bunch of bureaucracy between managers that do nothing good for the company.
For a manager, it's okay to lose on benchmarks as long as it's something the average user won't notice. Only engineers that bootlick the managers get promoted/better salaries.


The managers @ Dyson know that they have a brand to cover blunders, their priority is to make manufacturing as cheap as possible. A few months ago I noticed that they have started to cheap out on replacement parts, new brush heads that you buy separately might have different colors, lack the dyson logo, etc. I assumed this might have been a fake (even though I bought from Dyson directly), support told me that it was expected.

The engineers know, the QA team knows a lot of the issues but here we are.

 

[vac14012]

They're including a fluffyhead now with the V16 if you check the website. Insane backtrack considering the new head was advertised as doing both. Looks like the same v15/Gen5 one just with the new adapter end. So if you bought a v16 last week guess you have a worse product than if you bought it now.

This is such an insanely bad product roll out.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Yeah, it's terrible. Although I'm sure you can contact them and they'll retro send you one. Early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese.

 

[vac14012]

I find it hard to believe it was the plan all along to include a Fluffyhead. There must be some terrible feedback internally on the new cleaner head if they're adding that back.

If it was always planned then it's crazy they didn't just wait for everything to be ready together.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

There's precent for last minute ad hoc changes that suggest lack of planning. They changed the name from DS60 Piston to V16 piston after the Korean and Canadian launches. Who's running that place now... Just wait until my review... That new cleaner head would be amazing if it werent for a couple of cockups.

 

[vac14012]

Based on reviews seems the problem with the new cleaner head isn't the empty line in the middle (you could just make multiple passes to alleviate that, which you should be doing anyway) but the new head doesn't suction well to carpets anymore so the deep cleaning performance is ruined. No amount of extra passes would fix that. That's a shame.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Yep. I quantify the relative contribution to performance loss from all factors in my review. I just can't believe they did this. This is a serious failure of quality and failure of management internally. Where are the assholes calling me a 'Dyson fanboy' now? Silent, naturally.

 

[shattered]

Oh don't worry, they'll still be calling you Dyson fanboy cause in their eyes Dyson never made a good vacuum and been on the market for over 30 years selling crap due to good marketing

 

[shattered]

The thing I find a bit disapointing is bin scraping. It does compress dirt very well, but always leaves dirt path at the top.
Another bad thing I noticed, when you use hair screw tool, mini crevice tool ends up covered in dust, it's definitely not sealed well there unless I have a dodgy unit

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I'm just wondering how many of them who have said I produce nothing but biased, opinionated rubbish because I apparently 'work for Dyson' and never criticise them—ignoring evidence to the contrary, will start citing my results and repeating my conclusions as though they suddenly consider me an authority now that I'm 'supporting their aims'. Or will they stay consistent and say my conclusions are still biased and decide they like Dyson now. Lose lose for them really. In a way, I've been waiting for a moment like this.

The bin wiping isn't that bad, although it does scratch the surface if you get a sharp hard object in there. But at least the bin shouldn't cloud as badly over time anymore. The dust on the tools is electrostatic in origin, not related to poor seals. The seals are good.

 

[shattered]

That's a lot of static then

 

[shattered]

And it only occurs when using hair screw tool, otherwise mini crevice is spotless

 

[Vacuum Facts]

All that dust on the nozzle is prior to the seals. When you remove it, it's disturbed and electrostatically migrates to the surface of the hair screw tool connector. The hair screw tool collects a lot more fine dust, e.g. from a bed, unlike a crevice tool. This isn't a seal issue. It's also not ideal, but these dusty internal parts are usually enclosed by the tools/wand. It's unclear yet whether the strong electrostatic attraction is just because it's new. I get the same thing. It also couldn't be a seal thing because the behind the seal is low pressure, not high pressure, so leaks would cause flow into the machine, not outward, with the main problem being loss of suction, which this machine has plenty of (except at the cleaner head where it's kind of needed...).

 

[shattered]

What about wand mini crevice tool then. That never gets dusty and main head is supposedly removing some fine dust?
That doesn't add up really.