Dyson engineering ineptitude and complacency

[parwaz786]

Nooxy, sorry but especially when you haven't owned a Dyson. You said "A turbine will never clean as well as an electric power nozzle, and will clog much more easily since everything that is vacuumed goes through the turbine. The Dyson vacuums also seem to have quality issues, a lot of the reviews talk about parts breaking or not holding together. I'm heard more than one vacuum shop say they have a nick name for the Dyson, they call them die soon. For the price that Dyson charges, you can get something with much better quality and that probably cleans better as well. "

Well, sorry but that is false. Dyson have even developed their own turbine head, he dirt NEVER touches the turbine, instead some suction goes to the turbine, whilst the rest goes to the brushbar. The brush still spins quite fast, bu when the suction is blocked, it has nowhere to go other than to the turbine, so the brush speeds up. That's clever, why isn't anyone even talking about this? All I hear is people putting them down.

Dyson parts are hard to snap now, literally they changed the plastic material so they are now shock absorbing. Why do cars have flexible plastic instead of solid plastic in their interiors? To absorb shocks. Dyson is the same that way.

I doubt you have been used a new modern Dyson ball? Well the performance of those is pretty much one of the best you can get on the market today, if not the best.

 

[sebo4me]

It's not worth arguing Tayyab people get set in their ways and can't see the wood from the trees

 

[vacerator]

Sebo4me,

True Paul. I also in some respects, but I try to be open minded.
We tend to become our parents.
Some my age also have problems with other wood, and take Viagra.

 

[parwaz786]

Mark you're right

I rest my case!

 

[sebo4me]

Haha are we talking about a wood here or a twig?

 

[vacerator]

Hahaaa! Good one, but I don't need to compensate.
As they say in Italy, "tutti grande', nella piccolezi.
It's also in the method. Cooking, or otherwise.

 

[sebo4me]

This is true

 

[3rdgenvacguy]

The problem I have with Dyson here in the states, is that they seem to be designed more for the European market instead of the U.S. market. Models like the dc07 , dc14 do not seem to have enough bristle for our vast oceans of wall to wall plush carpets. Now the dc17 was my favorite for "our" carpets, and I believe the new cinetic big ball has a decent brush as well. Another problem is with small parts. Quite a few small parts are not available seperately, so you must buy a complete sub assembly. On our DC41 models if you break the latch, which also chain reacts to empty the dust bin, you must buy the complete cyclone assembly. I have seen the latch available on Ebay over in Europe, but cannot tell if it is the same as the U.S. version. When Dyson first came to the U.S. I thought all of the bright colored latches, clips, etc., looked like they would break. Turns out most Dysons hold up very well. People can and will break anything. Just sold a Kirby Sentria aluminum casting for the main handle because they managed to break it in half.

 

[sebo_fan]

Dyson are not alone with that approach. TTI are just as bad as are Hoover Europe - they launch the vacuums first and then you have to wait nth amount of months or YEARS until spare parts are available.

 

[n0oxy]

dyson on youtube videos

It's possible these could be rigged, but there are lots of youtube videos where someone will clean a floor with a dyson, then use a Miele, Ricccar, or some other brand and point out how much better the second vacuum cleans compared to the Dyson. Supposedly the Dyson's only clean the surface, but these other brands remove whatever is deeper in the carpet.

 

[vacerator]

rigged demo's;

I believe they could be if done by a dealer. Some only want to sell you a high end pricey machine.

 

[n0oxy]

dyson hose sizes

Just curious, on the Dyson canister models, what is the hose size? Is it at all standard, can you use standard attachments or is the hose size nonstandard?

 

[vacerator]

n0oxy,

No. The Dyson attachment holes are smaller. In order to use US standard "dussen" or tool, an adapter must be used, as with some US uprights.
"dussen" is deutsche for nozzle.

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

I dont see how the size of a room has anything to do with if a vacuums brushbar can cope or not. Surely the type of carpet would have more of an impact. Unless also if you are talking about the width of the cleaning path, in which case, dyson are no different to most vacuums in Europe or the US, although i know there are some hoover and bissell models with extra wide cleaning paths.

 

[sebo4me]

They like a 15 incher in the USA Oli. They like big things over there. I'll say no more

 

[n0oxy]

dyson comparison videos

Hey everyone, here are some of the comparison videos I had mentioned. Should make for some interesting discussion. First, here are a few comparing Dysson to the Riccar.



Now here is Dyson and Sebo

And now here is Dyson verses Miele

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfqj9aLxP5M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeXj1i4ur5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ydpL4Qmy0

 

[vacerator]

Paul,

That's only in Texas!
Bigger houses, bigger bbque's, bigger attitudes.
How many extra vacuuming strokes does it take to clean a room that is an extra couple feet larger, wether if the nozzle is ten, twelve, or 15 iches?
If you vacuum to fast, you are not deep cleaning as well.
Texas also wants to increase their speed limit 80 MPH. Our national limit is 70.
Lets see, 100 km/hr is 60 mph. So, 80 mph would be about 140 km/hr?
What would MUM say?

 

[sebo4me]

I find a 12 inch floorhead easier to manoeuvre around furniture etc

Mike you have to take into account they are trying to sell Riccar or Miele.

I could show you a video of the latest Dyson picking up lots of dust that the Kirby left behind.

 

[sebo4me]

Here it is.

http://https//youtu.be/BZpFIKFl8hs

 

[blakaeg]

Hello Tayyab,

I hope you are keeping well!

Whilst I agree with you that soft plastic is more absorbent and probably better for shock absorption. I myself prefer the feel and look of older Dysons. Just my preference. Please don't hold that against me lol.

The DC50 machine was absolutely awful. Soft plastic handle that flexed so much in use. Glad to see that Dyson listen to complaints made (I myself complained to them) they have now gone back to the aluminium wand, just like on the DC24. It feels better and more solidly constructed. Glad to see they made this move.

 

[blakaeg]

Sorry Tayyab I was referring to the Small Ball when I was talking about the new aluminium wand.

I wish Dyson would make their machines quieter though, even though the Small Ball is 30% quieter than the DC50, its still loud.

 

[sptyks]

This video is not valid!...

Here are just a few problems that need to be addressed before this video can be considered valid:


 


1. There was no Kirby visible or anywhere in sight during the entire video. He probably only vacuumed with just the Dyson. 


2. He did not mention the year and model Kirby that was used. Was it an older model? 


3. So when was the fantom Kirby's bag last changed? 


4. How full was said Kirby's bag? 


5. How well was the fantom Kirby maintained ie condition of belt and brush roll? 


6. Was the floor nozzle set to the correct height for that carpet?


 


If someone was to make a valid video comparing the cleaning ability of two vacuums, then the above issues should have been addressed to the viewers.


 


 

 

[sebo4me]

Haha I wondered how long it would take for Stan to make an appearance

He has done many videos of his Kirby Sentria. He maintains it very well.
He also has a Rainbow.
He does some good videos

 

[sptyks]

Everyone knows The Golden Rule of vacuum testing is:


 


He who vacuums last always wins.


 


 

 

[sebo4me]

That is true but you wouldn't think such a crappy dyson would pick up so much dirt after a very thorough vacuuming with a Kirby Sentria :-0

 

[3rdgenvacguy]

When I mentioned that in the states we had oceans of plush carpet, I meant that I think we have more wall to wall carpets than most people in Europe. It seems that you have more solid surfaces. Although the U.S. seems to be going towards solid surfaces as well. I also prefer normal width vacuums for their manueverability over widepath machines. The point I was trying to make was that most vacuums over here have a more aggressive brush design, not that a Dyson's width of cleaning was inefficient.

 

[kirbysthebest]

As with any challenge

Too Many variables.


Only way to accurately measure, is a clean piece of carpet, measured amount in, and measured the amount out.


 


Other variables are methods of vacuuming, speed, adjustments, overlapping of passes etc.


 


 


 


 

 

[sebo4me]

Yes there are variables Harley which makes it hard to judge.

And Harley yes they do have more aggressive agitation on cleaners such as Riccar and Royal which I have used on my travels to the US. They clean very affectively but do they wear out carpet prematurely?

 

[kirbysthebest]

You have to find a balance.


You can clean your fine china with steel wool and a power washer, but do you need to.


 


As far as premature wear of a carpet. I have never heard of a Royal, Simplicity, Riccar or even Kirby causing wear, as they all have a Gold rating with CRI.  However, I have heard complaints bout Dyson causing damage.


 


My look at it is: If your carpet is so delicate that you can only clean it with fairy wings and pixie dust; you may want to stick to a straight suction cleaner--or replace the carpet.


 

 

[sebo4me]

Pixie dust? Is that legal?