alexhoovers94
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It is crazy how these threads get side tracked.
I am sure if we were in a board meeting we would of been sacked by now.
I am sure if we were in a board meeting we would of been sacked by now.
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turbo500
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You, Chris and Alex
Actually, I can't say me and Michael know eachother all that well, so regardless of what you think of me and Alex, Michael has chipped in off his own back. Another VL member you've been rude to, I see. It's not limited to the north, I assure you. There are plenty of members I could list all over the globe, nevermind the UK, who you've done exactly the same to them as you have with Michael. People do notice, and every single time you do it, that's 1 more person - how long before all 1100 members notice, hmm?
Actually, I can't say me and Michael know eachother all that well, so regardless of what you think of me and Alex, Michael has chipped in off his own back. Another VL member you've been rude to, I see. It's not limited to the north, I assure you. There are plenty of members I could list all over the globe, nevermind the UK, who you've done exactly the same to them as you have with Michael. People do notice, and every single time you do it, that's 1 more person - how long before all 1100 members notice, hmm?
thekirbylover
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madabouthoovers
you are quite clearly a VERY jealous person, I most certainly dont get everything I want, and I said just about everyone, and you say you are only rude to people who are rude to you, can you tell me when I have been rude to you. #hatersgonnahate
you are quite clearly a VERY jealous person, I most certainly dont get everything I want, and I said just about everyone, and you say you are only rude to people who are rude to you, can you tell me when I have been rude to you. #hatersgonnahate
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Turbo500 - you can try chipping away at me, but I stand by what I say - if people are gonna be a bitch towards me, then they are gonna get it back from now on - and I wont be removing these replies - so fire away, I can see you are loving winding me up.
What about all the people who have been insulted by you then - its also noted how rude you are, and I tell you - you are far ruder than I am.
What about all the people who have been insulted by you then - its also noted how rude you are, and I tell you - you are far ruder than I am.
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Kirbylover - you didn't read my post properly did you, and Jealous is the wrong term - why do you think I would be jealous? After all, you admit yourself in your youtube videos that you are a vacuum snob. So how, at your age, how do you fund buying all the vacs worthy of a "snob" that you show in your videos?
turbo500
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and I tell you - you are far ruder than I am.
Care to give an example?
I am absolutely, 100% not denying that I've been rude to people. Absolutely not. How could I? I know what I'm like, I can be a real argumentative sod at times and I'm VERY opinionated. But I've never been rude to someone a. unprovoked and b. when they didn't deserve it.
My posts above to Alex may seem rude, but I'm willing to bet you that reading them, Alex has gone "yeh, that's true...I do that sometimes". Everybody has faults, and regardless of Alex being sarcastic and opinionated at times and regardless of Michael acting a little spoilt at times, we accept that about eachother. Yes, things get heated at times, but never nasty.
YOU, on the other hand, are just plain rude to people for no reason at all. Just whenever it takes your fancy. You also openly call people names in your posts, which is something I've never done. I'm also not sneaky about it. I'm not unnecessarily rude and then try to hide it. I'm not a backstabber or go bitching behind your back - I'll just do it to your face infront of everybody.
I'm really not "chipping away" at your or "loving winding you up". I don't for a second think that anything I say is going to make a blind bit of difference to the way you treat other people on here. I'm just saying what the rest of us are thinking.
Michael, I wouldn't say he was jealous. I'm sure madabouthoovers can fund his collecting with no problems, just like the rest of us do. I'd say "bitter" is more the appropriate word. And in light of his comments above regarding the guy who he thought had a huge ego because he was "showing off" his car, I'd say he's the biggest ego in the room, and possibly very insecure at the same time. Even in a situation like this where he's been caught out, he still thinks he's in the right and we're in the wrong. Wonder how many p!ssed off VL members it will take before he realises, hmmm?
Care to give an example?
I am absolutely, 100% not denying that I've been rude to people. Absolutely not. How could I? I know what I'm like, I can be a real argumentative sod at times and I'm VERY opinionated. But I've never been rude to someone a. unprovoked and b. when they didn't deserve it.
My posts above to Alex may seem rude, but I'm willing to bet you that reading them, Alex has gone "yeh, that's true...I do that sometimes". Everybody has faults, and regardless of Alex being sarcastic and opinionated at times and regardless of Michael acting a little spoilt at times, we accept that about eachother. Yes, things get heated at times, but never nasty.
YOU, on the other hand, are just plain rude to people for no reason at all. Just whenever it takes your fancy. You also openly call people names in your posts, which is something I've never done. I'm also not sneaky about it. I'm not unnecessarily rude and then try to hide it. I'm not a backstabber or go bitching behind your back - I'll just do it to your face infront of everybody.
I'm really not "chipping away" at your or "loving winding you up". I don't for a second think that anything I say is going to make a blind bit of difference to the way you treat other people on here. I'm just saying what the rest of us are thinking.
Michael, I wouldn't say he was jealous. I'm sure madabouthoovers can fund his collecting with no problems, just like the rest of us do. I'd say "bitter" is more the appropriate word. And in light of his comments above regarding the guy who he thought had a huge ego because he was "showing off" his car, I'd say he's the biggest ego in the room, and possibly very insecure at the same time. Even in a situation like this where he's been caught out, he still thinks he's in the right and we're in the wrong. Wonder how many p!ssed off VL members it will take before he realises, hmmm?
thekirbylover
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to be honest I dont really buy many expensive machines I mostly purchase older ones that go for £20 on ebay, but when I do buy a modern machine (very rare) I only like high end brands like miele and sebo, I would only have dyson out of bagless machines as I dont do knockoffs. as for my "funding" I have parents just like every other 15 year old will. and yes you are jealous you shown that buy ranting about that guy who was showing his car it made you very irritated clearly a sign of jealousy.
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So you are the mouthpiece for everyone else then? How many members are there on VL? and they all hate me? You really are deluded turbo500. You speak for everyone do you - how about YOU naming all the members that hate me, and the reasons why that might be? Just because you and Alex, and a few other little children gossip about me, do you think that I am really bothered about that? I speak to plenty of other people on VL who I don't have any problem with, so the loss of your worthless acquaintance and the other bitchy little queens here that live up your backside really doesn't matter that much to me. So YOU go figure
turbo500
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you can tell when people are running of amunition when they have to resort to name calling.
Can't give me an example, can you? Thought not.
Can't give me an example, can you? Thought not.
madabouthoovers
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What made me angry was the way he went about getting that Miele cleaner yesterday. And yes, because of his wealth, he thought he could "buy" favours from people, and yes, that does get my goat.
What also gets my goat is 15 year old boys coming on here and being insolent to people old enough to be their parents. In the olden days, you'd have got the belt for your insolence and backchat.
What also gets my goat is 15 year old boys coming on here and being insolent to people old enough to be their parents. In the olden days, you'd have got the belt for your insolence and backchat.
sensotronic
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Alex,
I was around when the Turbopowers were factory fresh.
I started collecting brand new Hoover cleaners in 1983. My first cleaner was a Hoover Sensotronic Total System 5 purchased from Seeboard in East Grinstead, West Sussex. My Dad was kind enough to sign the hire purchase forms and I paid for it using my pocket money and any extras I got for doing odd jobs.
The second cleaner I bought from Currys in East Grinstead was my first Turbopower, the top of the range blue autoflex model and from then until the mid 90's I must have owned at least one model from every range. I did photograph most of them and some day I will put a slideshow up on my Youtube channel showing all the cleaners I owned.
I have one of the last Turbopower 1's that I've owned from new and I couldn't tell any difference between the plastic that model is made from and my very first Turbopower bought in 1983. If a Sebo X4 and Hoover Turbopower were dropped down the same flight of stairs, I am fairly certain which cleaner would come off worse, but there's no way I am going to do that test! I have a Sebo C1 and C3 Power Plus cylinders and they are certainly better built than any of the Hoover cylinders I had. The C series reminds me somewhat of the first generation of Sensotronics which for their time were pretty solid machines, but the plastic often made a creaking sound when they powered up and when they were turned off. My Sebos don't suffer from that problem, which I believe is down to better quality plastics and superior build quality.
The Turbopower 2 was certainly an improvement on the first generation certainly, but still not as well made as a Sebo. Again I had several Turbopower 2 cleaners from brand new, so I am making these judgements from my personal experience. I still have the base model Turbopower 2 that I've owned from new, so I can compare it directly with my new X5. The problem I have experienced with my Turbopower 2 is the belt stretching in a short space of time, resulting in the agitator not working efficiently. If Hoover were to reproduce the Turbopower 2 with a toothed lifetime belt, stair cleaning hose (like the Turbopower 3) and upgraded filtration, it would be a worthy contender to the Sebo Automatic X. The tool set up on the Turbo 2 and 3 is certainly better than the Sebo with its tendency to topple over unless you hold the handle or lay it on its back while using the extension hose. I don't rate the Sebo for above floor cleaning but it excels on my carpets and cleans consistently well for me.
Like I said in my previous post, I am not going to argue over a vacuum cleaner. All I can do is comment on my own personal experiences and allow others to form their own opinions based on their experiences. I can see why you like the Turbopowers and I can understand why you have formed your opinion on the Sebo, so let's just respect each other's views and try not to get into a slanging match over what most people would consider to be a very trivial subject. Again, I don't want to preach to anyone, if folk want to bitch and name call, let them, it can be quite entertaining sometimes, as long as I'm not in the middle of it ;-)
I was around when the Turbopowers were factory fresh.
I started collecting brand new Hoover cleaners in 1983. My first cleaner was a Hoover Sensotronic Total System 5 purchased from Seeboard in East Grinstead, West Sussex. My Dad was kind enough to sign the hire purchase forms and I paid for it using my pocket money and any extras I got for doing odd jobs.
The second cleaner I bought from Currys in East Grinstead was my first Turbopower, the top of the range blue autoflex model and from then until the mid 90's I must have owned at least one model from every range. I did photograph most of them and some day I will put a slideshow up on my Youtube channel showing all the cleaners I owned.
I have one of the last Turbopower 1's that I've owned from new and I couldn't tell any difference between the plastic that model is made from and my very first Turbopower bought in 1983. If a Sebo X4 and Hoover Turbopower were dropped down the same flight of stairs, I am fairly certain which cleaner would come off worse, but there's no way I am going to do that test! I have a Sebo C1 and C3 Power Plus cylinders and they are certainly better built than any of the Hoover cylinders I had. The C series reminds me somewhat of the first generation of Sensotronics which for their time were pretty solid machines, but the plastic often made a creaking sound when they powered up and when they were turned off. My Sebos don't suffer from that problem, which I believe is down to better quality plastics and superior build quality.
The Turbopower 2 was certainly an improvement on the first generation certainly, but still not as well made as a Sebo. Again I had several Turbopower 2 cleaners from brand new, so I am making these judgements from my personal experience. I still have the base model Turbopower 2 that I've owned from new, so I can compare it directly with my new X5. The problem I have experienced with my Turbopower 2 is the belt stretching in a short space of time, resulting in the agitator not working efficiently. If Hoover were to reproduce the Turbopower 2 with a toothed lifetime belt, stair cleaning hose (like the Turbopower 3) and upgraded filtration, it would be a worthy contender to the Sebo Automatic X. The tool set up on the Turbo 2 and 3 is certainly better than the Sebo with its tendency to topple over unless you hold the handle or lay it on its back while using the extension hose. I don't rate the Sebo for above floor cleaning but it excels on my carpets and cleans consistently well for me.
Like I said in my previous post, I am not going to argue over a vacuum cleaner. All I can do is comment on my own personal experiences and allow others to form their own opinions based on their experiences. I can see why you like the Turbopowers and I can understand why you have formed your opinion on the Sebo, so let's just respect each other's views and try not to get into a slanging match over what most people would consider to be a very trivial subject. Again, I don't want to preach to anyone, if folk want to bitch and name call, let them, it can be quite entertaining sometimes, as long as I'm not in the middle of it ;-)
alexhoovers94
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I can't think of a time that you came into discusion Steve. For gossiping about.
turbo500
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Well this isn't "olden days". This isn't some class room where you can wonder around with your cain making threats to those younger than you and throwing your weight around. I think it's pretty evident that you have absolutely no weight to throw around here.
Respect works both ways, regardless of how old somebody is. Why should Michael respect you when you don't respect him? You can't possibly expect anybody to be nice and polite and respectful towards you when you don't do the same.
Respect works both ways, regardless of how old somebody is. Why should Michael respect you when you don't respect him? You can't possibly expect anybody to be nice and polite and respectful towards you when you don't do the same.
thekirbylover
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he thought he could "buy" favours from people
of course he can money is power, also its not the 1950s people dont use belts anymore and who the hell do you think you are, you have no authority over me, my parents have authority not you. and Rodger I for one would LOVE to see that slideshow im so jealous you got to live in my favourite decade not just the vacuums but the music and the clothes and everything 80s I just love.
of course he can money is power, also its not the 1950s people dont use belts anymore and who the hell do you think you are, you have no authority over me, my parents have authority not you. and Rodger I for one would LOVE to see that slideshow im so jealous you got to live in my favourite decade not just the vacuums but the music and the clothes and everything 80s I just love.
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Whats all this "been caught out" crap about? Have I murdered someone? I deleted those posts at the time to appear more "civil" and once the intended person "got the message" there was no need for others to read it, as it was not aimed at them. It is my right to use the delete post function, or it would not be provided.
Well done anyway - you've succeeded in bringing out the worst in me again Turbo500. You just seem to have that "knack" of getting on people's tits!
Well done anyway - you've succeeded in bringing out the worst in me again Turbo500. You just seem to have that "knack" of getting on people's tits!
turbo500
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Good points there, Roger. I'm also echoing the point that I think Ryan made earlier about quality control. ALL the Sebo's were solid, whereas can you imagine how many disgruntled U2336 customers ended up with a pile of broken plastic where their vacuum once stood? Wouldn't happen at all with a Sebo.
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Dear oh dear Kirbylover - teddy throwing again? Don't give it out then if you don't like hearing the home truths in return, much as how turbo500 thinks he's "teaching" me
Oh, and Turby, its CANE not Cain.
Oh, and Turby, its CANE not Cain.
sebo_fan
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Alex, if we were in a board room, you'd be asked to go and research your information again because of being an embarrassment to the company.
The only thing the Hoover TP2/3 has in common with the SEBO X1/4 is that they are both bagged uprights.
That's all they have in common.
Why? Because SEBO are a commercial company. Hoover are not and they have never made anything as close to the Turbopower in terms of what that design offered to the UK domestic market. Oh there was that American built upright for UK commercial markets but it never stayed around long enough for mass sales compared to the heavy metal based soft bagged uprights for the UK market.
Thus SEBO is built better. You can keep going on and on and on about how well made your Hoover vacuums are - but at the end of the day Alex - when a bag door splits because of a piston valve problem, not to mention other problems like cracked sole plates, height adjusters breaking and other problems with the TP2/3, about the only thing that I can think of that goes on and on is that those models are superior to the model that replaced them - the Purepower.
Hoover have been pulled up because of design problems from the start or concept from their vacuums - you only have to look at The One to realise that.
SEBO and Miele are completely different - they spend a lot more time at the design stage testing things rather than putting on a new dress of old components - and then not testing it thoroughly for domestic use until problems resurface and Hoover have to either recall or do another "improved" model.
Then there was the Permabag - a leaking dust box that shouldn't have leaked, but did. If it was such a success, it would still be on sale today!
The only thing the Hoover TP2/3 has in common with the SEBO X1/4 is that they are both bagged uprights.
That's all they have in common.
Why? Because SEBO are a commercial company. Hoover are not and they have never made anything as close to the Turbopower in terms of what that design offered to the UK domestic market. Oh there was that American built upright for UK commercial markets but it never stayed around long enough for mass sales compared to the heavy metal based soft bagged uprights for the UK market.
Thus SEBO is built better. You can keep going on and on and on about how well made your Hoover vacuums are - but at the end of the day Alex - when a bag door splits because of a piston valve problem, not to mention other problems like cracked sole plates, height adjusters breaking and other problems with the TP2/3, about the only thing that I can think of that goes on and on is that those models are superior to the model that replaced them - the Purepower.
Hoover have been pulled up because of design problems from the start or concept from their vacuums - you only have to look at The One to realise that.
SEBO and Miele are completely different - they spend a lot more time at the design stage testing things rather than putting on a new dress of old components - and then not testing it thoroughly for domestic use until problems resurface and Hoover have to either recall or do another "improved" model.
Then there was the Permabag - a leaking dust box that shouldn't have leaked, but did. If it was such a success, it would still be on sale today!
turbo500
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Whats all this "been caught out" crap about?
being caught out for exactly what you are, despite your efforts to cover your tracks.
I haven't brought anything out - it's all there festering anyway, as is perfectly evident by your random outbursts of rudeness to other members for no reason at all.
"Don't give it out then if you don't like hearing the home truths in return"
Again, take your own advice.
being caught out for exactly what you are, despite your efforts to cover your tracks.
I haven't brought anything out - it's all there festering anyway, as is perfectly evident by your random outbursts of rudeness to other members for no reason at all.
"Don't give it out then if you don't like hearing the home truths in return"
Again, take your own advice.
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You can't possibly expect anybody to be nice and polite
Yes that's very true Turbo500 - that's why I'm not being polite to you, as never once have you been polite to me - only superior and pretentious. Pot calling the kettle black springs to mind.
Yes that's very true Turbo500 - that's why I'm not being polite to you, as never once have you been polite to me - only superior and pretentious. Pot calling the kettle black springs to mind.
