Doesn't Cleva Make Kenmore Canisters now? They didn't fix this??

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Doesn't surprise me. Like you, I too love the Kenmore canisters but also couldn't believe they're still using the same old design. So that's one of the reasons why I don't really recommend them anymore. Personally if I really wanted to have a Kenmore canister, I'd rather just retrofit their nozzle on one of the other canisters instead like MetroVac for example or even better is use their nozzle on a central vac.
 
Suzhou Cleva Electric Appliance Co Ltd of Suzhou China ( hour and a half drive from Shanghai, it's on Lake Tai a local resort area ) makes Kenmore vacuums. They also make some Craftsman shop vacs and it was their shop vac business that got them the Kenmore vacuum business when Panasonic decided to leave the North American vacuum cleaner market.

I don't have any problems with the Kenmore bag dock. I don't have dust leaks, but I always and forever use only genuine Kenmore brand Style Q synthetic dust bags. They have a thicker cardboard collar than any other brand of bag and seal properly. I also occasionally change the foam gasket inside the bag dock. That part has been around since 1984 under half a dozen different part numbers. It's not hard to find. Change it every couple of years, use only Kenmore brand bags and no dust. We have a 16-17 year old Kenmore Elite used a lot and it is nice and clean in the bag chamber.
 
Suzhou Cleva has done a lot to improve Kenmore canister vacuums. The power nozzle wheels are now on steel axles. No more wheels falling off. They have added gaskets to the motor housings to make them well sealed. The quality of the plastics, build quality and the design of lid hinges are all greatly improved. No more hard squeaky plastic hinges that threaten to break before the lid is open. Everything works nice and smooth now. I have Kenmore canisters going back to the late 1940s and IMHO the 600 Series "Pop-N-Go" canister is the best built canister vacuum Kenmore has ever sold. I really like my 800 Series Elite and my beloved old 1982 Sears Best 4.1 but neither are as well made as the 600 and my 600 has more power than my Elite, which is a huge surprise.
 
I understand that. That's what made me want to try one again. I knew they were sealed now where they weren't before. They improved several areas. It's the bag collar. Keep in mind, I had three, yes three Kenmore canisters from around 2004 to 2010. Each lasted around 2 years when the quick connect connections would start failing. I'm a clean freak so I vacuum more than most ppl. At least a few times per week. There was always dust in the bag chamber which annoyed me the most. Even in this video I linked, you can clearly see he's just unboxed the vacuum and it's a genuine bag that came with it and after his mess test, bag chamber FULL of dust. I'm not sure what you're doing differently. I had one instance where I changed a bag, (I was always careful) slid the genuine bag onto the collar, vacuumed for weeks. Went to check the bag and the bag had slid 1/2 off the collar. I was unknowingly vacuuming basically without a bag for weeks. After that, I started taping the bag onto the collar out of paranoia.
 
I understand that. That's what made me want to try one again. I knew they were sealed now where they weren't before. They improved several areas. It's the bag collar. Keep in mind, I had three, yes three Kenmore canisters from around 2004 to 2010. Each lasted around 2 years when the quick connect connections would start failing. I'm a clean freak so I vacuum more than most ppl. At least a few times per week. There was always dust in the bag chamber which annoyed me the most. Even in this video I linked, you can clearly see he's just unboxed the vacuum and it's a genuine bag that came with it and after his mess test, bag chamber FULL of dust. I'm not sure what you're doing differently. I had one instance where I changed a bag, (I was always careful) slid the genuine bag onto the collar, vacuumed for weeks. Went to check the bag and the bag had slid 1/2 off the collar. I was unknowingly vacuuming basically without a bag for weeks. After that, I started taping the bag onto the collar out of paranoia.
The bag that comes with the vacuum is often installed poorly. In fact most are not installed right from the factory. I have seen this myself where the opening in the bag collar was not centered on the dock. If that is the case you get a leak no matter what brand of bag you use. There is a lip on the mounting dock that should fit into the bag collar tightly. If you pay attention to fitment there are no leaks. The collar on the Kenmore brand bag is thicker and fits the lip tight. Other brands with thinner cardboard collars do not seal as well but are easier to install and remove. I have been using these for decades with no leaks.

But honestly few vacuums are any better. Miele bag docks are finicky and the spring loaded flap in the genuine Miele brand bag pushes the bag collar down off the lid and both of my Mieles leak and coat the underside of the lid in a fine layer of dust. That flap also becomes a source of regular clogs because the spout on the inside of the lid doesn't push it fully open. Genuine Miele brand FJM dust bags in an S558 and C2 Compact Electro. Kludge. My Sebos always have some dog hair poked into the pre-motor filter at bag change and I use premium synthetic Sebo dust bags. I have to vacuum the bag chamber with another vacuum at bag changes. Not sure if the hair is going right through the bag or finding a way around the bag dock. On the Riccar 1700 the dust goes right through the synthetic bag and leaves a circle of dust on the bottom of the bag chamber right under where the hose enters the bag chamber. Same thing with synthetic Menalux Oslo+ bags I buy from Europe for the Oreck DutchTech ( Oslo+ and Riccar 1700 bags are essentially identical though it is unintentional ) Genuine Kenmore brand bags have a sheet of plastic inside the bag opposite the hose entry to prevent this. Riccar and Envirocare bags don't have this feature. I have Kenmores that have stayed clean inside for over a decade of regular use.
 
I dunno. I went back to the video and took this screenshot and the bag looks to be perfectly installed.
Two questions. One, is the inside of the cardboard collar seated in the lip on the opposite side of that bag dock that faces the surface of the bag card? If it is even a little off it will leak. Second question is that a genuine Kenmore bag? Can't tell from this image.
 
It looks/sounds extremely fiddily.
Not really. Once you see how the bag is supposed to be installed it is a simple thing to ensure everything is lined up right. Maybe because all the canister vacs I had until ten or twelve years ago were Kennys it is second nature to me.

Kennys are not nearly as fiddly as a Miele bag dock or the incredibly fragile bag holder in my Lindhaus Aria ( so easy to break if not handled with great care ). And unlike Miele and some other brands opening the lid to see if the bag is full doesn't dislodge the bag from the dock. The $%@#& Miele bag dock has dislodged the bag just from closing the lid slowly trying to be easy on the latch. I always have to poke a finger down into the bag and make sure it is centered and seated. PITA. And you don't have to remember to fold half the bag card down to clear a big rib on the underside of the lid like you do on the Oreck DutchTech. If you forget the rib pushes the bag off the spout under the lid and you have a real mess. Been there done that ! And the DutchTech is a difficult vacuum to disassemble for a cleaning. Wasn't fun.
 
I don't know. I can only assume since he just unboxed it and started using it that it's genuine. The bag simply slides into the collar, you push it until it stops and it lines up perfectly with the opening in the bag. It's very simple to install a bag in these. If only when you put the hose into the machine after installing the bag, the end of the hose went somewhat down into the actual bag totally preventing any slippage at all that would be so much better There's really only ONE way to do it that I remember.
 
Not really. Once you see how the bag is supposed to be installed it is a simple thing to ensure everything is lined up right. Maybe because all the canister vacs I had until ten or twelve years ago were Kennys it is second nature to me.

Kennys are not nearly as fiddly as a Miele bag dock or the incredibly fragile bag holder in my Lindhaus Aria ( so easy to break if not handled with great care ). And unlike Miele and some other brands opening the lid to see if the bag is full doesn't dislodge the bag from the dock. The $%@#& Miele bag dock has dislodged the bag just from closing the lid slowly trying to be easy on the latch. I always have to poke a finger down into the bag and make sure it is centered and seated. PITA. And you don't have to remember to fold half the bag card down to clear a big rib on the underside of the lid like you do on the Oreck DutchTech. If you forget the rib pushes the bag off the spout under the lid and you have a real mess. Been there done that ! And the DutchTech is a difficult vacuum to disassemble for a cleaning. Wasn't fun.
Miele claims that is a feature to get the bag out more easily, I think it’s a scam to get people to ruin their vacuum and buy a new motor! Miele does not have a warning that says the bag must be reseated when opening the cover! Notice on their new Guard, the pre motor filter is now a screen rather than the thicker filter.
 
I've never had a Miele, but that is SNEAKY and If I had bought one, I wouldn't have known that opening the bag compartment would cause the bag to have to be reseated. I do like that LOCK click when you push the bag in, at least the Kenmore bag collar should have that so you KNOW it's on. Other than the thick cardboard sliding on the collar until you can't move it any further, there's nothing to "keep it locked on"
 
I've never had a Miele, but that is SNEAKY and If I had bought one, I wouldn't have known that opening the bag compartment would cause the bag to have to be reseated. I do like that LOCK click when you push the bag in, at least the Kenmore bag collar should have that so you KNOW it's on. Other than the thick cardboard sliding on the collar until you can't move it any further, there's nothing to "keep it locked on"
On mine there is a protruding lip on the inner circumference of the bag dock that fits tightly into the cardboard opening on the bag. That lip is deep enough to make it a little difficult to remove the bag, at least a genuine Kenmore bag, without bending the cardboard a little bit so it can slide over that lip. Getting the bag opening seated in that lip is what keeps the inside clean. After you push the bag's mounting card all the way down in the dock, try pulling it back. You will fell it catch as the hole in the bag lines up on that lip and kind of locks in place. At that point you should not be able to pull the bag back any more without bending the card to get it off the lip. Be gentle and experiment with this. Once you have that sussed installing the bag properly is simple and easy.
 
I've never had a Miele, but that is SNEAKY and If I had bought one, I wouldn't have known that opening the bag compartment would cause the bag to have to be reseated. I do like that LOCK click when you push the bag in, at least the Kenmore bag collar should have that so you KNOW it's on. Other than the thick cardboard sliding on the collar until you can't move it any further, there's nothing to "keep it locked on"
The Miele bag dock has bitten me so many times even though I know the drill and use only genuine Miele bags. Like I said I had a couple of occasions where I closed the lid on my S558 gently and the bag undocked before the lid latch clicked. Every time I put a fresh bag in one I am careful to put my finger down into the hole and move it around under the lid as much as I can with their stupid spring loaded flap in the way to make sure the mounting card is properly lined up and seated. Long story short the C2 Compact Electro was used at most for three bags before I parked it in the garage in disgust ( my wife hated it too ) and until I can figure out a better hose for the S558 I won't use that one either. And that vacuum leaks where the lid enters the bag even using genuine Miele bags. I just had to disassemble and clean it for the second time under my ownership because even doing everything right the thing became dirty inside.
 
What I find interesting is that I buy used bagged canister vacuums from Japan and most arrive in my home surprisingly clean inside. The motor compartment will have a lot of carbon dust but their paper bags are very different from anything you see outside of Japan. The paper is higher quality and some Hitachi bags even have a synthetic microfiber layer inside the paper ( Lux did this too for the D748 - D795 and the D820, their premium blue paper bags ). Panasonic has a four layer synthetic bag with one layer of activated charcoal. They don't leak. We have been using two older Panasonic canister vac for ages after I cleaned them up and the bag chambers are still clean.
What amazes me even more is that their strange bagless machines, basically a normal looking canister with a removable plastic dust bin that has a really thick pleated filter behind a fine mesh scree at the back ( like some robot vacuums have ) where a bag would go, arrive and the only dust is inside the dust box thingie. The rest of the vacuum is spotless. I don't think it has anything to do with Japanese dust because a couple of the Luxes I brought over from Japan were pretty grody when they arrived.
 
The Miele bag dock has bitten me so many times even though I know the drill and use only genuine Miele bags. Like I said I had a couple of occasions where I closed the lid on my S558 gently and the bag undocked before the lid latch clicked. Every time I put a fresh bag in one I am careful to put my finger down into the hole and move it around under the lid as much as I can with their stupid spring loaded flap in the way to make sure the mounting card is properly lined up and seated. Long story short the C2 Compact Electro was used at most for three bags before I parked it in the garage in disgust ( my wife hated it too ) and until I can figure out a better hose for the S558 I won't use that one either. And that vacuum leaks where the lid enters the bag even using genuine Miele bags. I just had to disassemble and clean it for the second time under my ownership because even doing everything right the thing became dirty inside.
I can agree that it is really horrible to work with. I love the machine otherwise. I am quite sour about it as I saved up my money for a whole year to buy it. It has been used about 10 times at most.
 
On mine there is a protruding lip on the inner circumference of the bag dock that fits tightly into the cardboard opening on the bag. That lip is deep enough to make it a little difficult to remove the bag, at least a genuine Kenmore bag, without bending the cardboard a little bit so it can slide over that lip. Getting the bag opening seated in that lip is what keeps the inside clean. After you push the bag's mounting card all the way down in the dock, try pulling it back. You will fell it catch as the hole in the bag lines up on that lip and kind of locks in place. At that point you should not be able to pull the bag back any more without bending the card to get it off the lip. Be gentle and experiment with this. Once you have that sussed installing the bag properly is simple and easy.
Knowing about that tab makes it seem much more simple.
 
Knowing about that tab makes it seem much more simple.
I think Kenmore's greatest failure is that they are mass market and they don't do nearly enough to make their customers aware of what a Kenmore vacuum needs to last a long time. I grew up with them and have been using them since 1969, minus the time I was in the Navy and about ten years after where I had that Hoover upright. As a result I am pretty well dialed in on what they need. I still use a 43 year old Kenny regularly but have a modern 800 Series Elite and a purple 600 Series, the 81614 version. I have almost everything in between though they don't see as much use as the ones mentioned. A lot of new owners buy them on line, never crack open the owners manual and just start using them. They buy bags at Walmart so they get crummy quality bags, and don't even know to change the filters on them. In a few years the vacuum is filthy inside and the motor not surprisingly is making sick sounds. Ditto the power nozzle. I encounter people at Wally World buying a new vacuum because the brush roll isn't working. You ask them if maybe the belt broke, a $1 or $2 fix and they just wave their hands and say they don't have time, need a new vacuum now. You don't have time to save yourself $75-$100? Really? With users like that you can't expect people to take care of a Kenmore. At least when you buy a new Sebo, Miele or Aerus you buy from a dealer who notionally gives the customer some explanation of how to use and care for their vacuum. With Kennys you don't have that initial coaching so they just get abused from day one. Sadly ( to me ) they get an undeserved bad rep as a result.
 

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