"Automatic" brush height adjustment

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Right then.

Thanks everyone for your input, whatever it was. This is my first thread so its nice to get to meet people, even if this one has escalated into name calling :/

As regards build quality, in my personal opinion, I think sebo is slightly better. Taking into account design and build quality, sebo I definitely think is better. Their brushrools are much easier to get to (much is an understatement). Miele's look more sophisticated but my s7 I thought in some places felt a bit cheap. The grey plastic was very soft and one of the switches on mine broke within 2 hours of me having it.

I know some vacuum retailers (independent ones) have stopped selling Mieles due to a combination of them being difficult to work on and customers returning then. GoVaccum on youtube have said just this. Although, miele to a more diverse canister range.

However, I have found miele bags to be better than sebo ones. Much thicker and heavier duty. You cant go wrong with neither of them really, I just prefer sebo.

These are properly built alternatives to mainstream Chinese built rubbish we are now so used to. Yes there are some better built Chinese made vacuums but on the whole, I think we have gone backwards in quality in not only vacuums but a lot of other household appliances since manufacturing has moved over seas. Anyways, that's another story for another time.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Well, thanks to Turbo500, Mr Oliveoiltinfoil will have got a real lovely impression of VL. All over a sebo brush height adjuster that Alex found a problem with. I don't normally rant as much as this, but after a couple of threads where Turbo500 has got at me, I had had enough of it. You will get to learn that I can make positive additions to these forums, but I have my limits at what I can tolerate from other members.

 

[turbo500]

Hi Ollie,

I agree about the Sebo brushroll being easier to access. Infact, I've found Sebo uprights to be far easier to work on in general than the S7. A friend of mine works in a vacuum shop and was saying on our Facebook group that the S7 is a pain to work on, and the motor has to be removed just to replace the handle release mechanism.

Because the Sebo was originally a commercial cleaner, it's designed so that the user can carry out any minor repairs themselves with little to no down-time on the machine, and this of course saves having to send the cleaner off to be repaired.

I do agree about the Miele bags being better quality, but I do think that the Sebo bags are better value. Sebo have also recently brought out synthetic dust bags for the X series, but I've not tried them out yet (still working my way through a box of paper bags and wishing they'd get a bloody move on and fill up so I can buy some new ones, LOL - Alex, don't say a word ). Ryan might be able to give you some more info about those as he originally told us all about the new bags. They are on sebo.co.uk if you want to go hunting through .

Chris

 

[madabouthoovers]

Regarding the Miele S7 - take a look at the parts sites and find out how much a new brushroll will cost - its £90 odd.


One of the things about Miele, no matter how much I like them, is that the parts are far too expensive, so once one breaks down, its beyond economic repair. This is contrary to their claim that a Miele will last 20 years. It wont if for want of a new part it gets scrapped after a few years. In some cases Sebo are just as bad, with a new motor costing well over £100. Miele are the worst though so I am not surprised that repair shops stopped dealing with them, and I had noticed that GoVacuums had stopped selling Miele.

 

[sebo_fan]

Well the S7 isn't a commercial vacuum cleaner. Infact Miele's largest market is the U.S - they had previously built "Miele badged" uprights under Panasonic for sale in the U.S only - and the S7 was designed with the U.S in mind, hence the larger size of it and its associated bulk.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Miele know that they need a "mid size" upright but they also know that if they did one, it could snatch sales away from their cylinder vacuums, one reason alone to why they don't produce cylinder vacuums with cord lengths bigger than 6.5 metres. Those in the market for bigger lengths have to settle for Henry, SEBO's D series or Bosch BSGL5 series.

I am sure in time, Miele may well revisit their old S160 stick vacs and update them. The "Alternative" wasn't a good design IMHO but it is close enough to what Miele could do in the mid 1990s etc with an upright design for Europe and you could add an air driven turbo brush floor head on it. Then came the "D'Art," which is really not an upright as it lacks a brush roll and no additional parts can be added to it from the main floor head unless you consider the hose and associated parts, thus similar processes with Vorwerk. I like the Miele stick vac but it needs updating and an electric PN could be added to it for sale in the UK but Miele won't do it.

Alex I have no idea what you are on about. If the Turbopower 2 and 3 were THAT successful, why are there no brush roll parts available for it? Clearly if it was that important a big seller for the company, you'd have "limitless parts" available. As for it lasting 20 to 30 years, well it can't if the MOST important part that eventually wears out ISN'T AVAILABLE TO BUY ANY MORE!!

 

[alexhoovers94]

Because they don't make the cleaners anymore, why make parts for cleaners that are no longer on sale, it is not economical.

 

[sebo_fan]

PRECISELY - and now we are back to your original ideas.

Why enter the conversation regarding the Hoover or the Electrolux Contour when both these uprights are no longer available to buy>?

 

[ralph123]

carpet type dictates need for control over adjustment

What carpet types require manual or fancy adjustment? If you have medium cut pile like what is used in most carpet cleaning tests, is it really needed?

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

I definitely agree with the sebo bags being better value. They work out at about £1.10 per bag which is amazing to be honest. Also the flap that goes over the bags on the sebo's and a few other vacuum manufacturer's bags (numatic for example) is better that miele design as I found with my s7, the dirt accumulate around the port where the dirt goes in and makes the opening thick, meaning the flap doesn't close properly, because its on the inside. Anyways, its a small minor thing, but I definitely think sebos are that little bit more durable and certainly easier to work on. But I do live mieles sophisticated design.

I also like the fact sebo give you the option of a soft and firm bristle brush roller.

 

[ultraperformer]

We only have two carpeted rooms in our house the rest are a combination of various hard floor types, one room has a low pile carpet the other a new very thick luxurious carpet, the AEG Nimble with it's fixed position head actually ploughs into the new carpet and it's very hard to push, it also pulled some fibres, it's great on the low pile carpet really grooms the pile. I'm resigned to cleaning this new carpet with cylinders with Turbo heads at the moment but I worry the deep down dirt is not being removed.

 

[kenkart]

BRUSHROLL ..

The brushroll on the 1950s Singers and the f-a- 12 Westinghouse, adjusted automaticallt, the brush actually floated..

 

[sebo_fan]

Not all homes have the same carpet running through the home, so if you have different carpet textures I guess that's the call for adjustment.

As the owner of both the manual dial Felix and the X1, I find the Felix is great for most of my carpet - and I have the same carpet running through the whole of my home - but sometimes I just prefer the lighter action of the auto adjusting sensor head on the X1.

 

[gottahaveahoove]

Give me a 4 position

HOOVER Convertible anyday..everyday!!!
I have hardwood floors, marble, Oriental rugs and 1 room and hallway with Karastan (wall to wall). Medium, High, Low.........do the trick for me. BEAUTIFUL vacuum lines. and you WANT that. Right?

 

[sebo_fan]

Um I got rid of my old Senior when I lived in a shared home that had hard floor - the beater bars are a no-no - and there you are promoting the Convertible - no beater bars on the U.S models then?

 

[alexhoovers94]

Um, disengage the belt then?
Not difficult.

 

[gottahaveahoove]

Yes, all of the older Convertibles have a beater bar.

I usually use attachments for hardwood floors (they made a great floor brush). But, if you have good, unworn brushes, THEY touch the floor, the beater bar doesn't strike the surface. Hundreds of vacuums... 11 room house, never a problem here. You owner's manual tells you to never set the vacuum cleaner on 'low" when using it on hard surfaces. Always put it on "medium". If/when I do, if I turn the cleaner off ON the hardwood floors, I hear the brushes sweeping the floor on the slowdown. I hope this helps.
John.

 

[sebo_fan]

Disengage the belt?


 


Oh that's very inconvenient isn't it? I mean, for an upright that minimises bending, it's hardly worth the point.