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I'll leave you to evidence the details and specifics of this convincingly (it never happens with this type of cookie-cutter response). It's too easy to play cosmetic contrarian. I provide evidence, then cite it—because that's why I provided it, then you claim I can't credibly cite my evidence for <no reason stated>. Absurd logic. Then you claim there are inaccurate claims, yet evidence none. If only you had credibility to lose after hollow smear comments like this.
Your responses are the cookie cutter ones. That’s the whole freaking point here.

When you are challenged to provide actual evidence on these matters you simply post circular links back to the same exact materials that are being questioned.

Want evidence? Look at your own posts.
 
Why does this have to be such a debate. A vacuum needs lots of air moving at a decent speed. You need air moving at a point above the limit of airflow for that orifice size. Pressure then forces the air quicker.
You're right. It became a debate here when directed attacks via false claims were made that needed defending...and ultimately weren't, naturally. It had already been fully answered here.
 
You're right. It became a debate here when directed attacks via false claims were made that needed defending...and ultimately weren't, naturally. It had already been fully answered here.
Sounds like maybe someone is in fact motivated by “clicks and profits,”
The worst are motivated by clicks and profit on social media. It doesn't have to be this way.
Explaining it again for you: You continually link your own material to dodge others questions. Often you could easily respond with a sentence or two in good faith versus sending someone down a wild goose chase that frequently doesn’t answer the question anyway.
 
There's no need to quantify airflow at all, for the most part, and it should be done professionally using an orifice plate as discussed elsewhere if anyone wants to be taken seriously. Not a single 'enthusiast' has done it correctly that I've seen, and as professional engineers do in industry for example. That tells you everything you need to know about where you should NOT be looking for any advice. Everyone should understand all this by now since the resources are available to learn how these machines work, and it reveals a lot about where help simply can't be provided fruitfully anymore. I suspect the lurkers understand, and at 23k views, there are a lot of them on topics of interest to them.
So we should only measure suction?
 
Exactly, cheesewonton.
I still recall when I was a kid agitation came from arm muscles. We had a 1957 ( I believe ) Lewyt Big Wheel and I remember my mom scrubbing the carpets with that suction only floor nozzle like she was scrubbing a really dirty floor with a bristle brush, or holy stoning the teak deck of an old warship. I mean serious hard scrubbing, not just letting the nozzle glide over the carpet. That cleaned nothing. It was hard sweaty work. Flopping the rug over the clothes line and beating it with a broom stick was almost easier. And unlike the ads from that era she sure as heck wasn't wearing a dress, earrings and high heels !
 
Nah, cleaning performance and cleaning efficiency is more important. It's how vacuums have to effectively and efficiently use its airflow and suction. Ask @Vacuum Facts
The same vacuum with a suction only floor nozzle cleans, or should I say doesn't clean, much differently than it does with an electric power nozzle on the end of the wand. Agitation matters greatly.
 
Okay... So did anyone (else) try to properly measure actual cleaning performance?
Only the laboratories can measure it to industry standards. As long as you have a representative and reproducible method, you can make relative comparisons, which I do. Frickhelm probably fits that bill as he shows the trends you'd expect, and his results are consistent with mine, showing independent reproduction to some degree. There are issues though with some of the new technologies in the V16 that render both our testing insufficient for that particular machine, as you'll find out in my review. That's a problem for me because I'm not quite sure what to do about it yet. I have some ideas, but I'm too busy at the moment to work on it as a hobby. The V16 is amazing though, but also a victim of itself, uniquely.
 
Only the laboratories can measure it to industry standards. As long as you have a representative and reproducible method, you can make relative comparisons, which I do. Frickhelm probably fits that bill as he shows the trends you'd expect, and his results are consistent with mine, showing independent reproduction to some degree.
@Vacuum Facts, so your and @frickhelm 's method(s) is(/are) the best, because it's (both) consistent, reproducible and representative, similar to laboratories' standard, but accessible and doable at home, especially if you have backed carpets (not shaggy rugs as Kirby fans would've suggested). Too bad reviewers focused on doing the big mess tests which are not representative. Such reproducible-yet-representative tests like yours should be the gold standard in YouTube vacuum cleaner reviews and tests, not the afterthought it currently is.
There are issues though with some of the new technologies in the V16 that render both our testing insufficient for that particular machine, as you'll find out in my review. That's a problem for me because I'm not quite sure what to do about it yet. I have some ideas, but I'm too busy at the moment to work on it as a hobby. The V16 is amazing though, but also a victim of itself, uniquely.
Yep, V16 is a tragic machine. It's precisely as my hypothetical review of it would describe. Too bad you refused to give away the true problems for us. But we do know the cause of all its sudden deficiency in performance as you and @frickhelm noticed: it has to do with Dyson brand's stupid recklessness. It's ridiculous and too dupe-like of them to launch the V16 in such crippling state.
 
Only the laboratories can measure it to industry standards. As long as you have a representative and reproducible method, you can make relative comparisons, which I do. Frickhelm probably fits that bill as he shows the trends you'd expect, and his results are consistent with mine, showing independent reproduction to some degree. There are issues though with some of the new technologies in the V16 that render both our testing insufficient for that particular machine, as you'll find out in my review. That's a problem for me because I'm not quite sure what to do about it yet. I have some ideas, but I'm too busy at the moment to work on it as a hobby. The V16 is amazing though, but also a victim of itself, uniquely.
Ok then, test a Sebo G4 or BS36, Lux D820 and something from Lindhause like a Healthcare Pro or Diamante. Compare them to the bagless vacuums. Test a modern Miele too. Don't be afraid.
 
What makes @Vacuum Facts and @frickhelm testing methods more representative than many of the other tests we see on the web? Please note I am not attempting to disparaging either of these tests.

There are two parts here to my question:

1. I don't know where the exact details of either's methodology are described. I do recall seeing @Vacuum Facts on one of his videos but I don't recall which one and the details, I think he does specify and demonstrate the method.
-But are all variables known; ie specifics on carpet, measuring technique(s), etc? To produce 'gold standard laboratory results' that are truly repeatable all possible variables must be controlled. One example of this is the exact specifics of the carpet being used for the test. A different make/type/etc used across testing/testors can have drastic effect on the results. I am not sure this particular one is realistically controllable.

2. The test dust: It is a good but not perfect 'real world representative,' since what I have found from one of @frickhelm video (linked here:

details on dust at approx 0:25 to 0:27) it is 90-200 microns. However, the issue I see is that isn't truly representative of all household dust and debris a vacuum will be tasked with cleaning.

-One example is Cat litter, anyone with a cat/cat litter box knows they manage to track bits of litter wherever the cats may roam.
"The typical particle size for most cat litter ranges from 250 microns to 2,500 microns (0.25 mm to 2.5 mm).
-(from a google AI search results of "cat litter size in microns")
-Another example of larger material is breakfast cereal. Anyone with children will understand this one.

These are simple examples of why I personally find value in the oft disparaged 'big mess tests' as these materials are often in these tests. Note I am not in anyway claiming these 'big mess tests' are "consistent, reproducible and representative" or preferred to @Vacuum Facts & @frickhelm methods. The 'big mess tests' are just more 'data points' in vacuum machine performance/capabilities.
 
Ok then, test a Sebo G4 or BS36, Lux D820 and something from Lindhause like a Healthcare Pro or Diamante. Compare them to the bagless vacuums. Test a modern Miele too. Don't be afraid.
He tested a Sebo Felix and found it very hard to disparage the actual cleaning results.

But found plenty of what he may claim as "objective" issues with the machine, including calling it "junk."

 
He tested a Sebo Felix and found it very hard to disparage the actual cleaning results.

But found plenty of what he may claim as "objective" issues with the machine, including calling it "junk."


I might not disagree. I have an exceedingly low opinion of the Felix and Dart from a usability standpoint. I don't like the high handle weight. The swivel nozzle that works so well with a canister hose and wand is much harder to handle when you have all the weight of the vacuum to control and I am not really fond of the thing blowing hot air on me. Oh yeah, the hose is not so nice either, the whole machine topples over much too easily and no built in spotting wand. For an extra hundred bucks I'll take a G4 any day.
 

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