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we do allot of dysons and the number one hassle , blocked filter. not blocked from not cleaning it but blocked by improper cleaning and not letting it dry. the filters are so cheap we just fit a new one. they are even cheaper than most Electrolux /eureka filters.


 


Most of the vacuums we get as trade inns just need a new belt or filter 
 
The lack of used vacuums...

Is due in large measure to the cost of repairing a cheap vacuum. People will spend another $30 to $40 and get a new vac with a new warranty, and a new brush and belt.

Bagless vacuums have dominated the market for some time now, and it is not easy to male one look like it is worth any money.

When I worked in a vac shop in 1976, there were fewer brands, and fewer places to buy a decent vacuum. Kirbys, Compacts, Luxes, Filter Queens, Rainbows, Hoovers and Royals were rebuilt by the hundreds and sold.

People want ease of use, lightweight, and no maintenance, as well as indestructibility at low cost. The manufacturers that fill those desires will last the longest, bottom line. Only now are people just beginning to see the folly of bagless, but the trend has not run its course yet.

Bare floors and frieze are changing the type of vacuums people need, but they do not realize that, for the most part. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 
and it is not easy to make one look like it is worth any mon

You are exactly right Robert.

It is not worth my time to make people who can't afford anything pay what its worth to buy a rebuilt machine. Its already $54 to service/change filters/ belt on a Bissell that only costs $48. We still have plenty of customers who spend that money blindly...I'm not going to invest that money into a used machine when I can throw it away even cheaper.

We would not want to advertise the cheap used vacuums on Craigslist either, because that attracts a customer that we do NOT want in the store. That is part of my decision to get rid of used vacuums. We try to keep our average ticket very high, and attracting the "used" vacuum market is not something we intend to do for long term growth. You come to my store to buy a nice vacuum, get your existing one repaired, or buy parts for your vacuum. You don't come in to buy some old piece of junk that was formerly owned by a stranger.

That said...we do have such a collection of used sticks right now, I am considering sending an employee to the flea market next week to liquidate them all. I'm sure we could sell off 50% of the 50 or so machines we have accumulated over the month and trash the rest. Even at $20 per machine, thats $500 to be made.
 
This is very interesting to me as I have two degrees in business. In my eyes, any customer is a good customer. But just as my operation is akin to "Shifty Seans Shweet Shweepers" yours would be more like "The Promenade of Sanitation". I currently work with a vac shop that deals almost exclusively in low end used vacuums. I pull them from Goodwill, side of the road, random vac shop, trade in, etc. refurbish them, and trade them to the shop for higher end models that I sell on eBay. I just traded 5 "plastic"s (generic plastivac) for a DC24 that I got $130 for on eBay, whereas I would struggle to see $10 a piece for the plastics and he has had this dyson for 3 years priced at $150 with no luck of selling. The difference of customer base even within the same general market is fascinating to me.
 
Used Sales

This is a very interesting topic. I am glad to hear some more vacuum store owner's opinions on used vacuum sales.

Other than what was brought up about selling a stranger's vacuum, I still can not find a reason NOT to sell a used, or seller refurbished, cleaner IF IT IS A HIGH-END BRAND. If you get a good Electrolux, Rainbow, Kirby or other high-quality brand, why not sell them? Of course you would not sell a used Bissell.

I am also not asking vacuum stores to give me a sales pitch on a used vacuum. That would be bad business. If you have a used vacuum in good shape, why not sell it?

Trebor says "People want ease of use, lightweight, and no maintenance, as well as indestructibility at low cost". That is exactly what a used Electrolux/Aerus offers. There is very little reason to not sell refurbished vacuums.

-Nathaniel
 
The problem is that if you make it your policy to sell used vacuums in any condition, there are positive and negative attributes. First thing that happens is customers start to question why to spend 1300 bucks on a new Riccar Radiance when you have a used one for half the price. Second, I'm not sure about vacuums, but with most dealership agreements you have certain sales requirements to meet, another factor that could be hurt by carrying used machines. Third, if you want to sell your used machines for good money, you'll need to offer a warranty with it and honor it yourself since the vacuum is used. Not to mention having to carry parts for just about anything that walks through the door and displaying the general perception that you could be walking out with a cheaper machine if you bought a used one. If a largely price oriented customer walks in to a store and the cheapest model at a Simplicity dealer is a $300 7 Series, they are likely to buy that model. If the dealer has a used Riccar on the shelf for $120 and the customer asks about it and the salesman, morally bound to tell the truth, says it's a fine machine made in America at the same factory as the Simplicity. Voila! A $300 sale that counts in your sale quota has just turned into a $120 sale that doesn't and the general perception that your shop sells cheap used vacs.
 
A customer that buys a quality used high end vacuum-just may return in the future to buy one of your "main" product line ones.Just remind the customer that you have a line of new machines to sell.Don't force though-the customer will spin on his heals and walk out-probably not to return.
 
we do sell allot of rebuilt vacuums but it is a different market hereto you guys in the USA,  mainly dysons & vorwerks but you do make more money off new machines in the end when you factor in labour &parts.


 


what toilvac said is also true , we have had a number of customers buy a rebuilt machine for there son or work and then comeback and buy a new one for themselves.


 


Every machine that comes in our shop for repair gets completely stripped down , steam cleaned polished and reassembled so the rebuilt ones follow the same route. we offer a 2 year guarantee on our rebuilt machines. 


 


Our cheap tradeinns we send to the flee market and atleast recover the trade inn, Like scvacuumguy said it is not worth keeping cheap used vacuums on valuable floorspace and at one stage I just kept them in a storage room. the end of last year I decided to send them to a flee market, we cleaned them up made sure they were working ok and sent them down, I made just over $2000.00 in the weekend, not bad but in reality I think I just  broke even on time labour and what we traded them in for.


 


Its not a money maker its money recovery. 


 


If they are unrepairable we send them for recycling they make plastic posts and various other things from the plastic shells . Im not a fan of just dumping stuff i have kids I want them to grow up on a clean planet 
 
When you walk into a vacuum store, especially one with over 60 machines on display, nobody wants to see an additional 20 used vacuums.

I like to consider myself a good businessman, here is how we handle pricing and moving people up and down. The last thing I want to do is sell someone a "quality" used vacuum in the $150-300 price range. All that will do is cheapen my store, and cause someone not to be back in for 5+ years. My goal on new vacuum shoppers is to sell them the best vacuum they can afford.

Our prices start at $69.99 and go all the way up to $1529. If you take uprights, for example, the "lower end" of uprights (under $300) would follow this pattern:

$69.99 1 Unit
$89.99 1 Unit
$119.99 2 Units
$199.99 4 Units
$249.99 2 Units
$299.99 3 Units
$349.99 3 Units
$399.99 2 Units

Notice there are 18 units total in the "lower end." Those make up close to 1/3 of our collection of new vacuums. Each price point has a specific number of units so that we may step people up. Notice the $199 price point has 4 units- this is about the easiest low-end price point to sell because of the selection.

We also stock sku's by features. So if you are looking for an upright that does carpet/bare floors, we offer everything from the Premium Radiance all the way down to the Hoover Bagless PET and the Hoover Bagged Pet. You can move down to the $119.99 machines for those who need that feature. If they want something a little better, you can move them up to the Hoover Air Max, or if they want a Royal, move them to the Royal Rewind. After the Royal Rewind, you would enter the Panasonic range, and then after Panasonics, you begin the Riccar Vibrance line. The biggest thing is to carry enough new stock so you can move people up down sideways, but never backwards.

At the point that the customer only has $120 to spend, we do have a "new" vacuum to sell in their price range. We can also confidently tell the customer that they are getting the BEST $120 vacuum on the market. All vacuums are tested by us, by our friends, cleaning services, etc in order to find the best value for the money. We sell them the $120 vacuum, and also give them expectations.

By selling them the best "new" vacuum that they can afford, we have left a good taste in their mouth. In 2-3 years when and if they can afford something nicer and more expensive, they will remember my store as somewhere that sold them the best new vacuum they could afford. Not as the store that pulled out some used vacuum cleaner. If we had sold them a higher-end used vacuum cleaner, they would not be available to come back into the store in 2-3 years to purchase another machine.

The profit margin is hefty enough on the lower end vacuums that we pretty much make close to the same on a used vacuum.

Like I have said, we do have the occasional customer who insists and asks directly if we have any used vacuums. We do have a back room with our trade ins, and I do not hesitate to sell a cheap stick for $40. We will never ever clog up our floors with that horrible looking stuff again.

When people come in my store, I don't want them to see things they can get everywhere else. They need to see shiny new vacuums that they are not used to seeing in big box stores (ie: sanitaire, panasonic, riccar, royal- our main lines).
 
I suppose thats the advantage of the owning a business in the USA. In Sa we are limited by brands, no royal , saintitare riccar ,simplicity panasonic is a cheap vacuum here , think kenmore.


 


Its very difficult here to own a vacuum store and do only new vacuums. miele dyson sebo are all the top end models that you get so if you can't afford them there is just this huge gap between entry level uprights and premium ones. Nothing in between.


 


There is a enfisis on Canister vacuums here but they do not have pn's . My clients want something to take care of there carpets so it has to be an upright.


 


To give you an idea , 


 


 


Eureka/electrolux 3200 series $133.00


bissel pet earasor                    $256.00


 


Dyson dc25                             $565.00


 


then the miele s7 sebo and a few other dysons 


 


That massive jump means plenty of market for a good rebuilt machine , but to be honest allot of the are shop soiled damaged box machines


 


 
 
This is a dyson dc15 that we rebuilt,Please excuse the writing I had  edited it for advertising purposes. The rebuilt ones have ther own stands aswell so it looks better , we offer a 2 year guarantee as well as 2 free Anual services on our rebuilt models. It keeps customers coming back to the store and that ay they will buy something else aswell.


 


The only hassle is that they look so good after been rebuilt many customers wondered why pay more for a new one. so we now always make sure that the rebuilt ones are of a different colour or spec to the new ones. That is a problem but I make the same profit off a new dyson as I do off a rebuilt one so it doesn't hurt me financialy at sale but it does hur new sales which inturn hurts overall turnover but untill there are more brands in SA there is not much I can do about it.


 


However , if I had the choice of brands like you guys do then I probibly wouldn't do rebuilts either , It just does not make sense if you have that many brands so I do understand why the shops stopped doing them.  

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Every market is different

I must say this has been an interesting topic to read. I think every market is different. Location, area economics and the dealers marketing strategy all seem to play a very large role in what is offered at the local vac shop. When we opened up our shop, we did not have much of a strategy. Since we do not have any affiliation with any major manufacturer, we specialize mainly in refurbished units. Electrolux has been always been our top seller locally, and I can sleep well at night knowing the customer got a great vacuum and a great value. Price point is 300-750. We sell quite a few lower end plastic uprights, like Hoover Windtunnels, Bissell Healthy Home 5770, Panasonic and Kenmore uprights, all in the $50 range, mainly for cabin vacs, college students, and the like, but I always let the buyer know what they can expect. Having repaired/reconditioned quite a few Riccar and Simplicity canisters, I would have a really difficult time selling one to a local customer under the pretense that they are "built to last", and at the hefty MAP. Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing Tacony vacs, but having seen what they look like after a few years of heavy use, they are definitely not worth the $1000. Miele on the other had has me quite impressed with how well they hold up, and their price point is under $1000. Availability of parts is a bugger though.

Most of what is on our showroom floor is reconditioned, with the exception of some commercial units, and D2D sold vacs purchased from dealers that closed their distributorships.
 
Miele availability of parts is a bugger

Oh so its a world wide problem then?


Miele SA recently asked us if we would sell there vacuums in our store, we had been considering it, I bought a s7 upright to test out but when a supplier asks you then you have a bit of an advantage as far as getting what you want.


One problem I have always had with Miele here in SA is that spares are not always available when you need them but then a hose  costs about half the price of a new miele vacuum as-well. What are the spares prices like there?


I do like the machines though and am glad they have asked 
 
Riccar/Simplicity

I have never touched either the Immaculate or Impeccable, but have worked on several 1800, 1500 Simplicity units, which would be the Simplicity equivalent. The hose/wand/power nozzles do not seem to hold up well, nor do the canisters for that matter. Working on units in the second hand market (I used to be a FQ d2d guy for 10 years), has given me a much different perspective of what quality really is, and they sure as heck don't make vacs like they used to.
 
Lloyd (sarasvacshack)

What is it on the Riccars that seems to be built with low-quality? I have always thought of them as durable machines. My neighbor owns a Riccar 8000s series from the 90s that he uses to clean houses that he rents out. The plastic used is not the greatest but all the stress points are metal.

I am enjoying reading your opinion on this topic. You seem to have a good idea of what people want in a vacuum.
 
They are very durable machines. You obviously have had absolute zero experience with the American Made canister from Simplicity and Riccar. I certainly hope you get to go by a real vacuum store who carries new brands like Riccar or Simplicity so you can check out the latest from Riccar.

There are a lot of new things coming out very soon that will shock you in terms of the Riccar product line. I can't wait to share it with everyone on here!
 
In my area I don't think we have vacuum shops anymore. I used to see a few but I think they all closed up. When I went to them they sometimes sold used vacuums. I remember one shop sold Riccar uprights and the Sanyo Transformax machines. I guess most people don't have their vacuums fixed anymore and buy a new one instead.

I'm sure the larger areas have the stores that sell Miele, etc, but not here.
 
many yers ago we had vacuum repair shops at nearly every shopping centre.  some sold new vacuums but nothing like how you guys have it.


Trouble is Cape town is beautifull city and is very popular with wealthy internationals and movie stars , they all own houses here. the problem with that is it pushed the property market thru the roof, greedy landlords did the rest and many of these shops closed due to rent.


 


We now own the only Vacuum shop in the whole of SA that is not tied to one brand. Even we had to make a move a few years ago when rent got so out of hand in the shopping centres I could of been paying off a Ferrari for the amount of rent I was paying, No Jokes  Its true for a medium sized shop. Thsts why we built on a shop at opur home and then extended further.


 


Its sad to think that many stores have closed due to bbs stores. Its changing here people are sick of the bad service you get at bbs stores but now we need to improve our range of vacuums and get more machines like Royal, and the tacony brand of vacuums here but importing here is an entirely other messy game 
 
Riccar Canisters

I would like to clarify that my negative opinion of Riccar and Simplicity is with their canister units, not the uprights. The uprights hold up really well and are very cost effective to own and use. It is the made in China canister vacuums that are disappointingly not worth their $1000+ price tag. The units that I have seen come through literally are falling apart, and they do not show wear well. I understand brand loyalty, as I said, I sold Filter Queens from the Limited Edition model (very good machine), through the 80th Anniversary model. You could not at the time tell me there was any machine better than a Filter Queen. Looking back, I was blinded by brand loyalty. The 75th Anniversary was definitely a piece, and it is rare to find one that is not falling apart now 10 years later. The 2005-2006 SS models of the 360 used a lower quality motor than previous models, and burn out frequently in under 5 years.

If Tacony has gone back to making a canister in the US, even if it is from globally sourced parts, this would be a wonderful thing and maybe the quality has improved.

bagintheback - That 8000 series is a heck of a machine. Even now, almost 20 years later, the units have good resale value and are still in demand. Most of the 8000 series units we get in are sold very quickly at 149, which is pretty good for a 20 year old bagged upright. The metal bottom plate and brush roll make the unit a good fit for light commercial use.



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