The cordless stick vac formfactor

[Vacuum Facts]

Does anyone know if there's any major company which hasn’t now produced a cordless stick vac dupe?

It's quite interesting reflecting on the history of the formfactor. Dyson invented it with the DC35. When the V10 came out and was marketed as a true mains replacement, it was positively loathed by a small but very vocal crowd who swore until the swollen veins on their foreheads burst that it would die out, citing little more than aerodynamic metrics that don’t directly relate to cleaning performance, as well as it being bagless, messy, and underpowered. According to the Aerus model associated with a recent thread that got me thinking, despite those same core metrics in that product being literally less than the V10's all the way back in 2018, the manufacturer claims it has “all the power of a high-performance vacuum” (note they didn't say it has high performance), offers “efficient deep cleaning”, there’s “no contact with dirt and dust”, and there are “no expensive bag changes”. I noticed it was in such conflict with the vocal statements made against the still better-specced V10 and that are now absent in contrast. Very interesting reflecting on the behaviour of history and what it really revealed. That the stick vac formfactor seems universally duped says something about the original idea.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

So, I left this for a month to see what would accumulate. It's absolutely striking that not a single example could be provided of a company that hasn't now duped the stickvac formfactor. That deafening silence reveals so much, alluded to above.

 

[cheesewonton]

Sigh. You know so little. Lewyt, Hoover, Regina and Electrolux Inc. ( the US Electrolux ) all had the 1940s, 50s and 60s equivalent of a stick vac. It looked like a little hand held canister vac with a handle on one end and a wand with a hard floor brush on the other. In Europe Vorwerk Kobold and Miele also had similar vacuums. Dyson has literally invented nothing. All they do is copy what has often been around for decades, and that includes cyclonic filtering as that has been around in the wood working industry and milling for well over a century.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

It doesn't appear as though there's appreciation of what Dyson invented and patented—even though the records are in the public domain for anyone to fact check. They didn't invent cyclones—this is a staggering misunderstanding that is ripe in many circles I've observed—they invented a means to achieve cyclonic filtration within the vacuum cleaner product class, which hadn't been done before. That is a distinct invention—for obvious reasons; the sawmill cyclones don't filter out microscopic dust and wouldn't work.

Do you have any links to confirm there's isn't a similar misunderstanding and false equivalence RE the "equivalent of a stick vac" referenced above, and apples aren't being misidentified as oranges again? I'd like to read up on it, as there are very clear criteria that define a battery operated stick vac with a high speed and power dense motor in the hand. It's obvious what I'm referring to in the OP, since the ubiqitous rise of the stickvac has been since the DC35.

 

[cheesewonton]

Vintage Hoover Quik Broom.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/0dAAAeSwUVhoj8vy/s-l1600.webp

The stick vac before it was called that. Every company sold something like this.

 

[cheesewonton]

Regina Electrikbroom. This one is dirty fan.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/pOUAAeSwsH1odVri/s-l1600.webp

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Ok, I think you misunderstand the definition of a stick vac. Those examples you provided are slim mains powered uprights.

A stick vac, as defined and understood, is, as discussed above, a product that is battery powered containing a high speed, power-dense motor in the hand, with modular wand and floor head components. You know, the very thing not seen before the DC35 and that everyone has since duped in a very short timescale. Apples and oranges, as predicted.

I'm looking for popular manufacturers (with significant market share) which have not yet duped Dyson's pioneering idea, if you know of any.

 

[cheesewonton]

1907 Queen, manual vacuum.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eb8AAeSwRUJohAru/s-l1600.webp

 

[cheesewonton]

Ok, I think you misunderstand the definition of a stick vac. Those examples you provided are slim mains powered uprights.

A stick vac, as defined and understood, is, as discussed above, a product that is battery powered containing a high speed, power-dense motor in the hand, with modular wand and floor head components. You know, the very thing not seen before the DC35 and that everyone has since duped in a very short timescale.

Then you misunderstood. You don't get to define what a stick vac is.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

You don't get to define what a stick vac is.

We'll ignore you're doing exactly that.

To avoid locking horns over nomenclature, I (and everyone else in the manufacturing world) define a stick vac as I did above, and not as the products you linked to. Now you understand the definition and product class I'm referring to, if you know of any manufacturers, as in the very first post, let me know.

 

[kirbyman65]

Vacuum Facts,
I will admit I have anger issues, and you ENRAGE ME! You preach Dyson, Dyson, Dyson. Because that's all you know about vacuums. You won't listen to people that have more knowledge on the subject/ you pretent to know everything.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I'm sorry to hear you have emotional issues but that's no excuse for rudeness and hostility and you should find a less uncivil approach to vent if the free speech of others on a platform designed for it offends you. Your comment was nothing more than an unsubstantiated off-topic attack that wasn't in the spirit of the thread or the forum and wasn't helpful or constructive in any way. Please think on.

 

[kirbyman65]

Ok,
Looking back at what I said I may have acted a little unhinged. I apologize, will you forgive me?

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Of course! You'll find in life that you rarely agree 100% with anyone. The art of getting on with people is understanding the origin of differences. It might not change your opinion, but it widens your horizons.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

It is not an emotional problem. You are abrasive, condescending and arrogant. You are right and everyone else is wrong. It is tiring.

I mean, this is just totally inappropriate and uncivil. If you find me abrasive, that's unfortunate. I don't set out to be abrasive to you, so that's on you. Condescending—again, not intentional and this is a reflection of how you're interacting. I mean, above, it was you who claimed, without evidence, I "know so little" following a patronising sigh of undue despair, which then didn't even hold up to a simple and basic fact-check. Arrogant—everything I say on factual matters is supported by evidence, so that's simply incorrect. On objective matters that are either true or false and on which there is evidence bearing, you're damn right I'm right, because, unlike many, I bother to fact-check first and don't conflate apples with oranges or play hypocrite. On subjective matters, each to their own.

You can't just attack someone you don't agree with on subjective matters. And if you're wrong on objective matters, then expect to be challenged as part of basic discourse on a platform designed for exactly that. I think a lot of the problems of bad behaviour I'm seeing on this forum stem from people not being challenged when they're wrong and not used to being corrected on factual matters. That's arrogance, if you want a lesson on understanding what the word really means beyond a mud-slinging slur. If you don't have anything constructive and on-topic to say, don't say anything. Deafening silence is just as informative, as this very thread clearly illustrated. The problem with this place is it's far too much of an echo chamber of ignorance at times, and that's not healthy.

 

[vgwpg]

Ok, I think you misunderstand the definition of a stick vac. Those examples you provided are slim mains powered uprights.

A stick vac, as defined and understood, is, as discussed above, a product that is battery powered containing a high speed, power-dense motor in the hand, with modular wand and floor head components. You know, the very thing not seen before the DC35 and that everyone has since duped in a very short timescale. Apples and oranges, as predicted.

I'm looking for popular manufacturers (with significant market share) which have not yet duped Dyson's pioneering idea, if you know of any.

Stick vacuums are stick vacuums. They are vacuum cleaners with the form factor of a stick. Stick vacuums came into existence before the Dyson DC35 and that form factor became a thing. Vacuums such as the Electrolux Ergorapido or the Eureka Quick Up, as well as the ones previously mentioned, can still be classified as stick vacuums, even if they are not the form factor that you were thinking of. A stick vacuum does not have to be battery powered. (Take the Shark Rocket for example.) While something like the Electrolux Ergorapido or Miele Swing H1 more closely resembles a slim upright vacuum, their vacuum unit "pod" can still be removed and used as a handheld vacuum, as with other stick vacuums. The difference is just that the motor is mounted closer to the floor head. Something like the Miele Mielette is literally a vacuum unit, wand, and floor head. The only differences compared to your definition of a stick vacuum is that it's corded and there is an extension handle to hold the vacuum unit, rather than holding the vacuum unit directly. But it's still a stick vacuum.

While I can't think of any vacuums that used the exact form factor of Dyson prior to their DC35, with the actual vacuum unit being held, the wands, and a motorized brush head, and that they most certainly revolutionized the design, it still doesn't change the fact that there are stick vacuums that exist that are not copies of Dyson's form factor.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Respectfully disagree for all the sound, logical reasons given earlier that your comment simply just...arbitrarily contradicted.

 

[vgwpg]

Respectfully disagree for all the sound, logical reasons given earlier that your comment simply just...arbitrarily contradicted.

Well, that’s your opinion.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Well, that’s your opinion.

And that of the entire industry. Everyone's made a stickvac clone of the very specific nature defined above and not of the designs before you speak of. That's not an opinion; that's an observation.

 

[vgwpg]

And that of the entire industry. Everyone's made a stickvac clone of the very specific nature defined above and not of the designs before you speak of. That's not an opinion; that's an observation.

There are several that are other designs. It just happens that the design that Dyson uses is the most popular, which is why other manufacturers mostly use the same design.

Just because they use the same design though, it doesn’t make them “clones”. There are various features and principles that differ between them, while being based off of a similar base design.

That doesn’t make the other designs any less of a stick vacuum.