The cordless stick vac formfactor

[Vacuum Facts]

Doesn't matter what label you give it, the type of product being discussed is outlined above and specifically what is being cloned by all manufacturers. There's no point redefining it more broadly to attempt to suggest the concept came earlier. All other products I've seen proposed as progenitors are NOT the same—apples to oranges. The lack of a single example from you and a careful assessment of exactly how those examples precisely match the criteria outlined above—again, that all Dyson clones are cloning, distinct from other criteria they are not—has left me wholly unconvinced.

 

[vacerator]

Eh, I'd prefer a robot vac for quick cleaning.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Eh, I'd prefer a robot vac for quick cleaning.

Many stick vac clone dupes are only suited for quick cleans from the data available. People who buy the highest performing modern stick vacs that use the original patented technology don't buy them for quick cleaning and the data shows they outperform many mains machines in their default auto mode.

 

[auslux708090d2d]

If I wrong apologies to all, however growing up my grandmother had a black and decker battery operated vacuum cleaner for small cleans, not much suction as expected, tiny little cloth bag , bright orange plastic with a wand and all appropriate tools included!!

 

[samir]

Yep, those were the black and decker 'Dustbuster' models. We had one of these too that had an optional powered agitator section that could clip on the front. There were two brass 'tracks' where the leads for the agitator would slide into so it would get power from the main body. Today's Bissell handheld models have a similar design for their agitator attachment.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

If I wrong apologies to all, however growing up my grandmother had a black and decker battery operated vacuum cleaner for small cleans, not much suction as expected, tiny little cloth bag , bright orange plastic with a wand and all appropriate tools included!!

Did it precisely match the criteria constituting the widely accepted definition outlined above? Or was it a battery operated handheld device, which is apples to oranges?

 

[vgwpg]

Doesn't matter what label you give it, the type of product being discussed is outlined above and specifically what is being cloned by all manufacturers. There's no point redefining it more broadly to attempt to suggest the concept came earlier. All other products I've seen proposed as progenitors are NOT the same—apples to oranges. The lack of a single example from you and a careful assessment of exactly how those examples precisely match the criteria outlined above—again, that all Dyson clones are cloning, distinct from other criteria they are not—has left me wholly unconvinced.

Again, that's just your opinion. You are choosing to define a stick vacuum as what you think one is. It doesn't change the fact that there are other designs of stick vacuums. They indeed did come earlier, just not in that exact form factor. And I did provide examples. As did others.

Choosing to manufacture what sells is just the way it works. It's not necessarily about copying, it's about making what the consumer wants. The form factor of Dyson's stick vacuums is very popular, so that's what vacuum manufacturers are basing their designs off of. What do you think happened when Hoover started producing the upright vacuum or when the canister vacuum came into existence? Would you call all of those clones too, simply because they use the same form factor?

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Again, that's just your opinion. You are choosing to define a stick vacuum as what you think one is. It doesn't change the fact that there are other designs of stick vacuums. They indeed did come earlier, just not in that exact form factor. And I did provide examples. As did others.

Again, you're not appreciating the specific design and key technologies required for the product we're talking about that the entire industry has cloned, regardless of the name you want to call it. You can call it an elephant for all it matters. We're talking very specifically about the form factor and the technology required for it to work. We're talking a) battery powered, b) mains equivalent performance, c) tiny and lightweight, power-dense, high rotation speed motor entirely in the hand, d) fully modular design for above- and on-floor cleaning. That design and formfactor isn't physically possible (and practical) without very high power density motors and didn't physically exist at all until the DC35 (technically the V10 for b) ). This critical technology has been completely failed to be appreciated so far in this thread. I'm aware there were corded machines, hand held machines, machines that were stick shaped and so on in the past. They are not what industry refers to a 'stick vacs' now. They aren't cloning the old technology with slow conventional, weak motors, or that require mains leads. They're specifically cloning the DC35 design and technology. It's a new form factor, it requires specific technology that didn't previously exist, and it's universally now called the 'cordless stick vac'. That's not my personal definition; it's the entire industry. The 'stick vacs' of the past, while named similarly, are entirely different technology that don't satisfy the a)–d) criteria above—and no one is cloning it. If you think high speed, power dense motors existed before the DC35 in vacuum cleaners, then show me the evidence and defend it at a technological level. I guarantee you'll fail.

Choosing to manufacture what sells is just the way it works. It's not necessarily about copying, it's about making what the consumer wants. The form factor of Dyson's stick vacuums is very popular, so that's what vacuum manufacturers are basing their designs off of.

I mean, you then literally contradict yourself and agree with everything I've said. You agree it's popular—the point I was making since no one clones a dud. You state: "The form factor of Dyson's stick vacuums is very popular"—literally agreeing it's Dyson's stick vac form factor. You correctly state "that's what vacuum manufacturers are basing their designs off of". This is what "duping" means and was also the point I was making. So we're in agreement now...