KIRBY AVALIR
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aeoliandave
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Dug up this sketch from postings a few years back. This was what we were expecting in the Avalir. :-(
Fan top exhaust, Bag centered behind the handle, Quick Change hose connection and possibly a gear driven brushroll. All relatively easy to re-engineer keeping the deservedly famous powerplant.
Would have been a huge improvement over the bulky heavy unbalanced machine Kirby has simply up-dated with colour and a stupid handle. I think Kirby thought the handle would make the machine look 'lighter' but instead it looks inadequate to the task and highlights the cumbersome aged design.
My 2 cents.
Fan top exhaust, Bag centered behind the handle, Quick Change hose connection and possibly a gear driven brushroll. All relatively easy to re-engineer keeping the deservedly famous powerplant.
Would have been a huge improvement over the bulky heavy unbalanced machine Kirby has simply up-dated with colour and a stupid handle. I think Kirby thought the handle would make the machine look 'lighter' but instead it looks inadequate to the task and highlights the cumbersome aged design.
My 2 cents.
rugsucker
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Kirby patent drawings
RUBE GOLDBERG LIVES !!!
RUBE GOLDBERG LIVES !!!
nycwriter
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Joseph ...
"What seems like a deviation from that theory is that for several times, they've rated the Miele Twist above the Kirby. I have a Miele Cat and Dog, and I rarely use it because that thing is a beast--heavier than any Kirby I have, more expensive to maintain, harder to push, and equipped with limited attachments."
OMG YES!!!
I couldn't believe how bulky, heavy, and cumbersome the Miele twist felt!
"What seems like a deviation from that theory is that for several times, they've rated the Miele Twist above the Kirby. I have a Miele Cat and Dog, and I rarely use it because that thing is a beast--heavier than any Kirby I have, more expensive to maintain, harder to push, and equipped with limited attachments."
OMG YES!!!
I couldn't believe how bulky, heavy, and cumbersome the Miele twist felt!
caligula
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Hi aeoliandave .
Happy to say that was not it, what I saw was Kirby in Dyson mode, and sort of a lift away thing. The design I saw was nothing like a Kirby, and it really had me biting my nails.
This was a multie page patent in idea form with tank type, and shampooer modes. I thought, "has the Kirby company lost it's mind?" what I saw was truely frightening!
I was working in the hotel from Hell, and have no idea who shared it with us, but I think the post was "the Kirby of tomorrow!" Thank God, that thing is not the new Avalir.
On another note, glad to know you're doing better.
Alex Taber.
Happy to say that was not it, what I saw was Kirby in Dyson mode, and sort of a lift away thing. The design I saw was nothing like a Kirby, and it really had me biting my nails.
This was a multie page patent in idea form with tank type, and shampooer modes. I thought, "has the Kirby company lost it's mind?" what I saw was truely frightening!
I was working in the hotel from Hell, and have no idea who shared it with us, but I think the post was "the Kirby of tomorrow!" Thank God, that thing is not the new Avalir.
On another note, glad to know you're doing better.
Alex Taber.
caligula
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Hi again aeoliandave.
Just to clarify.
The date I saw that monstrsity was in late 2009, or early 2010. It looked nothing like your sketch, that I could live with, but not the beast in that 3 page patent idea.
Alex Taber.
Just to clarify.
The date I saw that monstrsity was in late 2009, or early 2010. It looked nothing like your sketch, that I could live with, but not the beast in that 3 page patent idea.
Alex Taber.
kirbylux77
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Ok Kirbyloverdan
I am going to bite. You have me VERY interested. How do you know for certain the Kirby concept is being tested?? What are your sources? Call me crazy, but it seems like you have some info from a source you aren't letting on to that you know, like you're keeping something under wraps.
Rob
I am going to bite. You have me VERY interested. How do you know for certain the Kirby concept is being tested?? What are your sources? Call me crazy, but it seems like you have some info from a source you aren't letting on to that you know, like you're keeping something under wraps.
Rob
adiostor3ador
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Part Of Me...
Really wants to purchase it but I have a G4... Perhaps just as part of the collection...
Really wants to purchase it but I have a G4... Perhaps just as part of the collection...
Well, although I am not a Kirbylover..........
I appreciate an American company which can last for 100 years.Do I bash? Nope!
I, too, was glad to stand in that factory this past Summer, amid "rumblings" about the anniversary. We were shipped out of there quickly, but because of several reasons, (not going there).
Michael: you are right.
Of course, they're not going to reinvent the wheel. They'll trim some materials here and there, (handle, etc) to make it lighter, sleeker, etc.
Matt: I agree. Nobody "colors' vacs anymore like they used to. Look at MY favorite cleaner.... they had colorists whose job WAS to make all of those wonderful, sometimes crazy colors.Out of respect to all of "ye" and so as to not to "Bogart" this thead, I'm not mentioning my stellar vac name (not even in lower case), but anyone who knows me knows......
How many things can one change? At times, companies will cheapen down the tools bigtime (yes, they have), silver/black, etc are the sleek new 'sexy colors".
I'm happy for all of you who are glad Kirby kept the things you like, and am sorry for you who are disappointed.
Nothing can/will make EVERYONE happy.There ARE those who love Kirby, and, then there are the "others". Guess I'M one of the "others". That's ok, too. I WILL say, "Happy Birthday, Kirby" once again. And, didn't it look like a really SWANKY party?
I appreciate an American company which can last for 100 years.Do I bash? Nope!
I, too, was glad to stand in that factory this past Summer, amid "rumblings" about the anniversary. We were shipped out of there quickly, but because of several reasons, (not going there).
Michael: you are right.
Of course, they're not going to reinvent the wheel. They'll trim some materials here and there, (handle, etc) to make it lighter, sleeker, etc.
Matt: I agree. Nobody "colors' vacs anymore like they used to. Look at MY favorite cleaner.... they had colorists whose job WAS to make all of those wonderful, sometimes crazy colors.Out of respect to all of "ye" and so as to not to "Bogart" this thead, I'm not mentioning my stellar vac name (not even in lower case), but anyone who knows me knows......
How many things can one change? At times, companies will cheapen down the tools bigtime (yes, they have), silver/black, etc are the sleek new 'sexy colors".
I'm happy for all of you who are glad Kirby kept the things you like, and am sorry for you who are disappointed.
Nothing can/will make EVERYONE happy.There ARE those who love Kirby, and, then there are the "others". Guess I'M one of the "others". That's ok, too. I WILL say, "Happy Birthday, Kirby" once again. And, didn't it look like a really SWANKY party?
pr-21
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On the brochures that were posted by Dan, it states....
That the 100th anniversary logo on the handle will only be available for a short time.....I am going to have to get one when they come out.
PR-21
Bud Mattingly
That the 100th anniversary logo on the handle will only be available for a short time.....I am going to have to get one when they come out.
PR-21
Bud Mattingly
super-sweeper
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Say, Sonnydad, in picture 2, do you Keep that window locked? That '13 head would look smashing on <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">my eBay page</span> YOUR display shelf! Haha, look at it there, all displayed! How cute!
P.S-anybody need a '13 head for a Heritage II? I know where to get one now!!!
P.S-anybody need a '13 head for a Heritage II? I know where to get one now!!!
bimmer740
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I love the new color scheme of the new Kirby Avalir!! It's beautiful in my eyes and I'd love to have one! I really do wish they would bring back the 2 speed switch like my on Diamond Edition. I love that I can vacuum wall to wall carpet and then switch to low to deep clean the small door mat that's by the front door without needing to get out the central vac or an Electrolux. If I tried to clean it on normal speed it would get sucked up into the nozzle or I'd have to stand over the mat in some awkward position to vacuum it while praying it doesn't get jammed.
The new rug/floor renovator looks very nice too. I don't care much for the previous rug renovator, I prefer to use a Hoover Stam Vac, but the ability to clean bare floors is a wonderful new feature. The standard Kirby tools are nice and well made but I wish the bare floor tool was made larger, or at least have a wider tool available for purchase. I've always though Kirby should include the bare floor "pad" that snaps on to the bottom of the rug nozzle as a standard attachment, it does a reasonable job and it elimates the worry of scratching wood floors with the rug nozzle.
I can't justify purchasing a new Avalir just based on the new color or the improved rug renovator, but I will say no matter what vacuum I use I don't ever think my carpets are completely clean unless they are vacuumed with a Kirby. I could never have large area rugs or wall to wall carpet in my house and not own a Kirby, it just wouldn't end well for the carpets...
The new rug/floor renovator looks very nice too. I don't care much for the previous rug renovator, I prefer to use a Hoover Stam Vac, but the ability to clean bare floors is a wonderful new feature. The standard Kirby tools are nice and well made but I wish the bare floor tool was made larger, or at least have a wider tool available for purchase. I've always though Kirby should include the bare floor "pad" that snaps on to the bottom of the rug nozzle as a standard attachment, it does a reasonable job and it elimates the worry of scratching wood floors with the rug nozzle.
I can't justify purchasing a new Avalir just based on the new color or the improved rug renovator, but I will say no matter what vacuum I use I don't ever think my carpets are completely clean unless they are vacuumed with a Kirby. I could never have large area rugs or wall to wall carpet in my house and not own a Kirby, it just wouldn't end well for the carpets...
nycwriter
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It wasn't until ...
... I bought my "new" D80 that I really understood what I'd been missing in terms of deep cleaning of my rugs.
I'd never had a vacuum literally pull the rug up off the floor before!
... I bought my "new" D80 that I really understood what I'd been missing in terms of deep cleaning of my rugs.
I'd never had a vacuum literally pull the rug up off the floor before!
kirbyloverdan
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Steve I feel
The same way about the speed switch from the Diamond edition but that will not be back until the new model arrives that will be finger tip access . They had many complaints about that switch as people would turn it to low and not realize it then wonder why the Kirby wasn't cleaning as it should so the next model the Sentria is was removed .
Did I say I can't wait to get my Avalirs
???
Dan
The same way about the speed switch from the Diamond edition but that will not be back until the new model arrives that will be finger tip access . They had many complaints about that switch as people would turn it to low and not realize it then wonder why the Kirby wasn't cleaning as it should so the next model the Sentria is was removed .
Did I say I can't wait to get my Avalirs
??? Dan
Disappointed
A few years ago I worked for the UL doing patent reviews for new electrical products (thats the short version of the job) Back then 2008-2011 we had several prototypes through the office from Scott Fetrzer Company. the units were completely redesigned. In essence it was the unit below. (Also the one posted above and referenced in the link to patents above)
While I like the looks of the "new" Avalir, I was really hoping that they would have released the unit I got to see, underwrite and test. It was truly a unique machine with many advance features. I know from past experiences that a company would not spend the amount of money it takes for patents, prototypes and Underwriting to just scrap that project. Hopefully sometime in the not to distant future we will see the actual new machine.
A few years ago I worked for the UL doing patent reviews for new electrical products (thats the short version of the job) Back then 2008-2011 we had several prototypes through the office from Scott Fetrzer Company. the units were completely redesigned. In essence it was the unit below. (Also the one posted above and referenced in the link to patents above)
While I like the looks of the "new" Avalir, I was really hoping that they would have released the unit I got to see, underwrite and test. It was truly a unique machine with many advance features. I know from past experiences that a company would not spend the amount of money it takes for patents, prototypes and Underwriting to just scrap that project. Hopefully sometime in the not to distant future we will see the actual new machine.
caligula
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Hi isufan11.
Bingo!
That was what I saw, and came really unglued at the thought that my beloved Kirby would be gone forever.
Looking at it now, I'm not as shocked as I was, but not to have some sort of Sani, or mini emp-tor would be the unthinkable! Actually, the main machine wouldn't be such a departure, except for the emp-tor, and I don't see the toe-touch- feature either. No cord hooks tells me, a retractable cord.
The patent date of October 17, 2006 must be the date filed, but I saw this in 2009. All in all, it's not that bad. However, to a die hard Kirby lover, it would take time to adjust. So glad the Avalir stuck with the tried and true.
Just my opion.
For what it's worth!
Alex Taber
Bingo!
That was what I saw, and came really unglued at the thought that my beloved Kirby would be gone forever.
Looking at it now, I'm not as shocked as I was, but not to have some sort of Sani, or mini emp-tor would be the unthinkable! Actually, the main machine wouldn't be such a departure, except for the emp-tor, and I don't see the toe-touch- feature either. No cord hooks tells me, a retractable cord.
The patent date of October 17, 2006 must be the date filed, but I saw this in 2009. All in all, it's not that bad. However, to a die hard Kirby lover, it would take time to adjust. So glad the Avalir stuck with the tried and true.
Just my opion.
For what it's worth!
Alex Taber
kirbyloverdan
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Jon and Alex
That machine will make it just wait and see
all was not wasted Jon
Dan
That machine will make it just wait and see
all was not wasted Jon Dan
I'm with Alex on this one...
I dread the day that the above machine is the new Kirby. That thing looks nothing like a Kirby. I hope the new machine is the 505, Classic 1CR, and the G3. That is to say it's a true Kirby with the traditional design, just with enhanced features and capabilities. IMHO, the above drawing looks like the offspring of a Hoover Elite and a Eureka model M.
I dread the day that the above machine is the new Kirby. That thing looks nothing like a Kirby. I hope the new machine is the 505, Classic 1CR, and the G3. That is to say it's a true Kirby with the traditional design, just with enhanced features and capabilities. IMHO, the above drawing looks like the offspring of a Hoover Elite and a Eureka model M.
caligula
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Hi sonnydad.
Having this in the back of my mind, but fortunately, no recolection of the what it looked like, had me going crazy. I recall thinking "if that monstrosity I saw in the V.C.C.C. forum in 09 is the new Kirby, I'm in big trouble!"
I hid it well on the factory tour, but was terrorfied. No commnts from Kirby top brass, or seeing the lower section of the factory had me sweating.
The last months were brutal, the not knowing, the waiting, and my mind in overdrive. My housemate finally asked "why is a new vacuum cleaner making you crazy?" I couldn't say what I thought. "That the Kirby as I know it is gone," as he's not interested in vacuum cleaners. I was resigned to the fact that my Classic 111, and G-4 were my last Kirby's.
Then I saw the Avalir, and breathed a sigh of relief. But still didn't believe it, thought this was a hoax, computer genorated pictures, and actually sent a message to Morgan to confirm that the Avalir was the new Kirby.
Now it seems so stupid, waisting years brooding over, as my housemate said, "a vacuum cleaner." But Kirby, like my Electrolux LX, gets in the blood. Only now can I breathe a sigh of relief.
Alex Taber.
Having this in the back of my mind, but fortunately, no recolection of the what it looked like, had me going crazy. I recall thinking "if that monstrosity I saw in the V.C.C.C. forum in 09 is the new Kirby, I'm in big trouble!"
I hid it well on the factory tour, but was terrorfied. No commnts from Kirby top brass, or seeing the lower section of the factory had me sweating.
The last months were brutal, the not knowing, the waiting, and my mind in overdrive. My housemate finally asked "why is a new vacuum cleaner making you crazy?" I couldn't say what I thought. "That the Kirby as I know it is gone," as he's not interested in vacuum cleaners. I was resigned to the fact that my Classic 111, and G-4 were my last Kirby's.
Then I saw the Avalir, and breathed a sigh of relief. But still didn't believe it, thought this was a hoax, computer genorated pictures, and actually sent a message to Morgan to confirm that the Avalir was the new Kirby.
Now it seems so stupid, waisting years brooding over, as my housemate said, "a vacuum cleaner." But Kirby, like my Electrolux LX, gets in the blood. Only now can I breathe a sigh of relief.
Alex Taber.
But you must remember,
That this base model has been used for 25 years. The Generation series is the longest running series of Kirbys ever. The 500 series ran for 24 years, and the Classic series for 19 years. The Avalir is still just a rebadged Sentria. We just have to hope and pray that the new series, whenever it arrives, will carry Kirby's tradition of Quality, Reliability, and Performance.
That this base model has been used for 25 years. The Generation series is the longest running series of Kirbys ever. The 500 series ran for 24 years, and the Classic series for 19 years. The Avalir is still just a rebadged Sentria. We just have to hope and pray that the new series, whenever it arrives, will carry Kirby's tradition of Quality, Reliability, and Performance.
2011hoover700
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brushroll question
Is the brushroll still wooden like on the sentria 2 or does it have a steel brushroll with replaceable brush strips as another improvement? I love the other improvements of my favorite modern brand overall.
Is the brushroll still wooden like on the sentria 2 or does it have a steel brushroll with replaceable brush strips as another improvement? I love the other improvements of my favorite modern brand overall.
caligula
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Hi 201hoover700
As far as I recall the brushroll is a new design. It's made by the Cleveland Wood Products, a division of Scott & Fetzer.
When we were there for the convention saw that brushroll, and they made a joke about it, as we were not supposed to see it. C.W.P. also makes the bags, that we did not see.
We were told this new Kirby has been in the planning stage for 5 years, and C.W.P. worked hand in hand with the Kirby company.
That's all I know, but yes it is a new design.
Alex Taber.
As far as I recall the brushroll is a new design. It's made by the Cleveland Wood Products, a division of Scott & Fetzer.
When we were there for the convention saw that brushroll, and they made a joke about it, as we were not supposed to see it. C.W.P. also makes the bags, that we did not see.
We were told this new Kirby has been in the planning stage for 5 years, and C.W.P. worked hand in hand with the Kirby company.
That's all I know, but yes it is a new design.
Alex Taber.
caligula
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Question of 2006 patent.
Reply 137, shows the 'Kirby of the future.' (God, I hope not!)
So here's the question. First drawing is the upright design with replacement bag for handvac unit, which I actually like, Then the 'power nozzle with hose, and cord. Why? what's the point? if the upright already has a brushroll, hopefully with Triple Cousion Vibration, Safty Switch, and so on, isn't the p.n. utterly useless? And I have to admit the hose set up isn't that bad, or at least tolerable! but as I said earlier, no mini-em-tor? I'd be very dissapointed with that change!
I know nothing of the Avalir other than the few pictures I've seen here, so it's too soon to judge one way or another. However, as listed in an other of my posts, I like what little I see, but tell me please, what is that paint roller thing? a waxer, or part of that new tile cleaner set up?
Certainly it's too early for data on the Kirby homepage. The Avalir hasn't made it there yet. As for my getting one? I'd love it, but living on a fixed income, not likely.
For me, the great thing is that the new design is NOT what's in the patent. And hopefully never will be. At least not in my lifetime!
Alex Taber.
Reply 137, shows the 'Kirby of the future.' (God, I hope not!)
So here's the question. First drawing is the upright design with replacement bag for handvac unit, which I actually like, Then the 'power nozzle with hose, and cord. Why? what's the point? if the upright already has a brushroll, hopefully with Triple Cousion Vibration, Safty Switch, and so on, isn't the p.n. utterly useless? And I have to admit the hose set up isn't that bad, or at least tolerable! but as I said earlier, no mini-em-tor? I'd be very dissapointed with that change!
I know nothing of the Avalir other than the few pictures I've seen here, so it's too soon to judge one way or another. However, as listed in an other of my posts, I like what little I see, but tell me please, what is that paint roller thing? a waxer, or part of that new tile cleaner set up?
Certainly it's too early for data on the Kirby homepage. The Avalir hasn't made it there yet. As for my getting one? I'd love it, but living on a fixed income, not likely.
For me, the great thing is that the new design is NOT what's in the patent. And hopefully never will be. At least not in my lifetime!
Alex Taber.
vintagevaclover
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2006 Patent
What is it made of? I would hope it's not plastic. I wouldn't imagine that the feature where the whole handle & bag set up comes off would be very stable.
What is it made of? I would hope it's not plastic. I wouldn't imagine that the feature where the whole handle & bag set up comes off would be very stable.
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