KIRBY AVALIR
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cb123
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Now that's pure GENIUS!!!
frkirby560
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Aerus Guardian Platinum & Kirby Avalir
When you think about it the Guardian Platinum from Aerus-Lux is not any less different or the same from its predecessors than the Kirby Avalir is from its predecessors. Both of these vacuum companies have been with us a long time. The person going for an Aerus/Electrolux would not have wanted a canister or some other weird shape; much less a bagless cyclone style. If they did, they could go buy a Dyson or a Hoover or a Eureka/AB Electrolux hybrid. There are some excellent vacuums in that lot.
But no. They are looking for an Electrolux for whatever reason: often because it was probably the vacuum in their family for a long time or they know someone who has one. All kinds of reasons.
The same is true for the Kirby. And the fact is, we still don't know what the guts of this new Avalir actually has to offer over the previous models. Think about the Sanitronic D-50. Except for the color, it looked just like its predecessors too. But it was a major step forward. So really we don't know that much yet about this machine..at least not much as been posted yet. We don't know what may be lurking below the surface of what looks like merely a color change.
When you think about it the Guardian Platinum from Aerus-Lux is not any less different or the same from its predecessors than the Kirby Avalir is from its predecessors. Both of these vacuum companies have been with us a long time. The person going for an Aerus/Electrolux would not have wanted a canister or some other weird shape; much less a bagless cyclone style. If they did, they could go buy a Dyson or a Hoover or a Eureka/AB Electrolux hybrid. There are some excellent vacuums in that lot.
But no. They are looking for an Electrolux for whatever reason: often because it was probably the vacuum in their family for a long time or they know someone who has one. All kinds of reasons.
The same is true for the Kirby. And the fact is, we still don't know what the guts of this new Avalir actually has to offer over the previous models. Think about the Sanitronic D-50. Except for the color, it looked just like its predecessors too. But it was a major step forward. So really we don't know that much yet about this machine..at least not much as been posted yet. We don't know what may be lurking below the surface of what looks like merely a color change.
Kirbyloverdan
Glad to hear you are not upset with the new model. Im not ready to buy a new vacuum as the "relic" I currently have vintage 1987 still cleans as well as the new one. I have had several demo's over the years and have the G 4, G 5 and G 6 all of which I picked up at rumage sales for a fraction of the cost new. Still using old reliable.
Todate none of the new machines sucked up any more dirt than the one I currently use daily. Not even rainbow can get any dirt out of my carpets. I have one of those as well. The water isn't even cloudy after vacuuming every square inch of carpet, flooring and furnishings.
Im sure in a year or so I can pick up several of the Avalir's at a fraction of the cost and still have a good vacuum. The tech drive is nice. However doesn't corner well with both rear wheels spinning at the same rate. If it handled cornering like the pre G series I might think about it. Even my mom (with her tendonitis doesn't like the way the new one handles.) Likes the ease of the pushing and pulling with the tech drive. Just hates steering corners with it. Mom still likes the Kirby Classic her mom bought and My mom has a the Classic Omega and still would rather use either of those machines. I gave my mom my Legend II to use while I repaired her Classic Omega and didn't like the Legend II as well as the one she has. Oh well to each his or hers own.
Glad to hear you are not upset with the new model. Im not ready to buy a new vacuum as the "relic" I currently have vintage 1987 still cleans as well as the new one. I have had several demo's over the years and have the G 4, G 5 and G 6 all of which I picked up at rumage sales for a fraction of the cost new. Still using old reliable.
Todate none of the new machines sucked up any more dirt than the one I currently use daily. Not even rainbow can get any dirt out of my carpets. I have one of those as well. The water isn't even cloudy after vacuuming every square inch of carpet, flooring and furnishings.
Im sure in a year or so I can pick up several of the Avalir's at a fraction of the cost and still have a good vacuum. The tech drive is nice. However doesn't corner well with both rear wheels spinning at the same rate. If it handled cornering like the pre G series I might think about it. Even my mom (with her tendonitis doesn't like the way the new one handles.) Likes the ease of the pushing and pulling with the tech drive. Just hates steering corners with it. Mom still likes the Kirby Classic her mom bought and My mom has a the Classic Omega and still would rather use either of those machines. I gave my mom my Legend II to use while I repaired her Classic Omega and didn't like the Legend II as well as the one she has. Oh well to each his or hers own.
jaker15
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Honestly
I really like the look of it. It might look like a Sentria II, but it's still badass. (pardon the expression.)
I really like the look of it. It might look like a Sentria II, but it's still badass. (pardon the expression.)
kirbyloverdan
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Steve
I am just a vacuum fanatic I must have the newest Kirby been collecting since I was a kid and always buy two when they come out one to use one to keep NIB I have purchased NIB on eBay really cheap .
I got a Sentria II a month ago NIB for $199.00 all attachments plus shampooer and zip brush .
I have all the older ones but can't use them in my home as I have Frieze carpet and it's impossible to try to push a non self propelled Kirby through that carpet .
I am very excited about the Avalir sure I'd love to see a total redesign one day but I will be pleased for the next 3 years maybe the next one will be it
Dan
I am just a vacuum fanatic I must have the newest Kirby been collecting since I was a kid and always buy two when they come out one to use one to keep NIB I have purchased NIB on eBay really cheap .
I got a Sentria II a month ago NIB for $199.00 all attachments plus shampooer and zip brush .
I have all the older ones but can't use them in my home as I have Frieze carpet and it's impossible to try to push a non self propelled Kirby through that carpet .
I am very excited about the Avalir sure I'd love to see a total redesign one day but I will be pleased for the next 3 years maybe the next one will be it
Dan
cb123
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Jaker15, I pardon you....KIRBY ROCKS....LED ZEPPELIN SUCKS!!!!!
kirbyloverdan
I too am a vacuum freek. I have been all my life I am now going on 48 in Dec of this year. I started out with the 519 that my grandmother had (started vacuuming when i was 2 1/2 to 3 yrs old.) Due to my current home of 500 sq feet I just don't have the room for to many vacuums. Sadly many of them in my collection are in a locker in the basement where they don't see the light of day. I wouldn't mind having a new one of every model if for no other reason a conversation piece.
The new Avalir has its place. I would like to see what has been done on the redesign of the shampooer. I have had a few thoughts on how to make that attachament work even better. Now had Kirby made an electrofied hose that would allow for motorized attachaments that could be used, that would be a change I would welcome.
I too am a vacuum freek. I have been all my life I am now going on 48 in Dec of this year. I started out with the 519 that my grandmother had (started vacuuming when i was 2 1/2 to 3 yrs old.) Due to my current home of 500 sq feet I just don't have the room for to many vacuums. Sadly many of them in my collection are in a locker in the basement where they don't see the light of day. I wouldn't mind having a new one of every model if for no other reason a conversation piece.
The new Avalir has its place. I would like to see what has been done on the redesign of the shampooer. I have had a few thoughts on how to make that attachament work even better. Now had Kirby made an electrofied hose that would allow for motorized attachaments that could be used, that would be a change I would welcome.
Look back in time...
I had a feeling Kirby would pull a fast one. Just look at the machines from 1982-1989. Heritage, Heritage II, Heritage II Legend, Legend II. Now take Sentria, Sentria II, Sentria II Avalir, and next will probably be the Avalir II. I predict to wait at least 5 more years for a total redesign. I admit, I was a bit disconcerted to find that we got a new G Series, but I guess the Avalir looks pretty cool in the meantime.
I had a feeling Kirby would pull a fast one. Just look at the machines from 1982-1989. Heritage, Heritage II, Heritage II Legend, Legend II. Now take Sentria, Sentria II, Sentria II Avalir, and next will probably be the Avalir II. I predict to wait at least 5 more years for a total redesign. I admit, I was a bit disconcerted to find that we got a new G Series, but I guess the Avalir looks pretty cool in the meantime.
kirbyloverdan
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No one knows
All depends when Sentria II are all sold , Kirby isn't going to offer them at a discount because a new model is on its way heck if they told me that I would just wait if I didn't know any better you may be able to negotiate but no one is supposed to know about the new model until the sales man starts selling them .
Could be a few months weeks or could be in a few days
Dan
All depends when Sentria II are all sold , Kirby isn't going to offer them at a discount because a new model is on its way heck if they told me that I would just wait if I didn't know any better you may be able to negotiate but no one is supposed to know about the new model until the sales man starts selling them .
Could be a few months weeks or could be in a few days
Dan
super-sweeper
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I for one love the design, even if it is just a new color! look at the DS80, it had a new handle and color, and it went down in history! Looks like a fun time at that party, wonder how the new shampooer works!
Why do we need to change a design that has worked well for decades. Look at all the other options out there. Do they perform any better? Yes some have features that are nice but don't equate to clean. In some cases not much easier to use either. There will never be one vacuum that is perfect for everyone.
The Kirby as it is designed is a great vacuum for carpeting. That is it's primary function. It does perform very well as an above floor machine. Some times challenging to use as such. But none the less a very good performer all around. The biggest problem is the idea that you have to remove one part to use another. Not a difficult thing to do. Also the fact that it is a very heavy machine. Some thing that could be rectified and still keep its basic design and quality.
Kirby needs to focus on teaching the buyer how to use and assemble the machine in a hands on experience by the end user. So that they are comfortable with using it and not flusterated buy how it is set up. Not just shown by a salesman and or video. You have to be able to "feel" the corect positioning of the different attachements to mount them correctly. Some thing no book or video can accomplish. And less focus on the scare tactics of how dust mites are going to kill you. And or that you are a poor house keeper if you don't have a Kirby. Just mention Kirby and watch people cringe. All becouse of bad experiences of others with pushy salesmen and or not taking the time to learn how to use it and get all the benifits of the Kirby. For the elderly or disabled it isn't the best choice for them. But that is a small market.
The Kirby as it is designed is a great vacuum for carpeting. That is it's primary function. It does perform very well as an above floor machine. Some times challenging to use as such. But none the less a very good performer all around. The biggest problem is the idea that you have to remove one part to use another. Not a difficult thing to do. Also the fact that it is a very heavy machine. Some thing that could be rectified and still keep its basic design and quality.
Kirby needs to focus on teaching the buyer how to use and assemble the machine in a hands on experience by the end user. So that they are comfortable with using it and not flusterated buy how it is set up. Not just shown by a salesman and or video. You have to be able to "feel" the corect positioning of the different attachements to mount them correctly. Some thing no book or video can accomplish. And less focus on the scare tactics of how dust mites are going to kill you. And or that you are a poor house keeper if you don't have a Kirby. Just mention Kirby and watch people cringe. All becouse of bad experiences of others with pushy salesmen and or not taking the time to learn how to use it and get all the benifits of the Kirby. For the elderly or disabled it isn't the best choice for them. But that is a small market.
stricklybojack
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I sorta predicted this..
I suspected Kirby would use the 100th as a way to help sell the same basic platform one more time. A complete redesign will sell itself, no need to introduce it on the 100th. The name change also helps this warm-over seem fresher. I say sorta because i didn't post this idea before the release.
So don't be too disappointed it may all go to plan yet.
For me Kirby's (and Electrolux's) are great machines...but for some reason they don't speak to me as much as other brands out there, except certain models like the Comvac or Heritage II 13". But if i find a G series really cheap i have to snap it up!
I suspected Kirby would use the 100th as a way to help sell the same basic platform one more time. A complete redesign will sell itself, no need to introduce it on the 100th. The name change also helps this warm-over seem fresher. I say sorta because i didn't post this idea before the release.
So don't be too disappointed it may all go to plan yet.
For me Kirby's (and Electrolux's) are great machines...but for some reason they don't speak to me as much as other brands out there, except certain models like the Comvac or Heritage II 13". But if i find a G series really cheap i have to snap it up!
pr-21
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Accent color question
Quick question. Is the accent color orange or red. Cannot tell from the pictures.
Thanks,
PR-21
Quick question. Is the accent color orange or red. Cannot tell from the pictures.
Thanks,
PR-21
nycwriter
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I think ...
... the "major" challenge of the Kirby design team is to maintain the look and integrity of the original product while finally solving the problem of how to quickly convert to the attachments.
I don't care how "streamlined" the company thinks the process is, compared to today's cheaper models with onboard attachments, using the hose on the Kirby is a freaking Broadway production.
If Kirby could figure out how to make the attachments as convenient as simply pressing a button and -- presto! -- out pops your hose -- like what I was used to with my Fantom Thunder -- they could virtually erase the hesitation to buy by nearly 90% of prospective customers.
... the "major" challenge of the Kirby design team is to maintain the look and integrity of the original product while finally solving the problem of how to quickly convert to the attachments.
I don't care how "streamlined" the company thinks the process is, compared to today's cheaper models with onboard attachments, using the hose on the Kirby is a freaking Broadway production.
If Kirby could figure out how to make the attachments as convenient as simply pressing a button and -- presto! -- out pops your hose -- like what I was used to with my Fantom Thunder -- they could virtually erase the hesitation to buy by nearly 90% of prospective customers.
jkbff
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They probably won't update the site until end of first quarter next year or possibly beginning of the second quarter. They will get rid of the Sentria IIs first before they even update the site.
Also, the distributors that generally get the new machines first are the ones that have sold out of their stock already and order a new order...
Kirby is a COD company. They will not let the driver release the order unless it is paid in full and no one is going to sit on their old stock. They will deplete their stock first... It's in their best interest.
Now to this... Design...
Someone mentioned why make a powercast type machine since Royal has already done that?
Well that design, ideally, would be perfect for Kirby... You take Kirby's transmission, put it in a design like the power cast but instead of having a brushroll motor, you have the brush driven off of a Direct Air motor, plumb that motor to exhaust into the bag then have a small clean air motor pulling from the bag, add a diverter valve on the back that connects a hose and the direct air pathway that also disables the direct air motor when the hose is activated and Viola! you have a new Kirby..
Wait... That sounds like Tacony's Tandem-Air... Oh, except Tacony doesn't have Kirby's transmission...
Oh well, I guess I'll start pushing this new model as well... :/
Also, the distributors that generally get the new machines first are the ones that have sold out of their stock already and order a new order...
Kirby is a COD company. They will not let the driver release the order unless it is paid in full and no one is going to sit on their old stock. They will deplete their stock first... It's in their best interest.
Now to this... Design...
Someone mentioned why make a powercast type machine since Royal has already done that?
Well that design, ideally, would be perfect for Kirby... You take Kirby's transmission, put it in a design like the power cast but instead of having a brushroll motor, you have the brush driven off of a Direct Air motor, plumb that motor to exhaust into the bag then have a small clean air motor pulling from the bag, add a diverter valve on the back that connects a hose and the direct air pathway that also disables the direct air motor when the hose is activated and Viola! you have a new Kirby..
Wait... That sounds like Tacony's Tandem-Air... Oh, except Tacony doesn't have Kirby's transmission...
Oh well, I guess I'll start pushing this new model as well... :/
kirbyloverdan
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More pics
I can't wait to own this . The shampooer is a multi surface cleaner should be interesting .
Dan [this post was last edited: 10/27/2014-10:40]
I can't wait to own this . The shampooer is a multi surface cleaner should be interesting .
Dan [this post was last edited: 10/27/2014-10:40]
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