marcusprit
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If you own a Sentria you are gonna gain nothing from buying the Avalir apart from bragging rights!
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rugsucker
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the NEW Kirby rarely is
Why is anyone surprised that we now have more of the same?!
Let me first say that 'the same' is one of, if not the best upright ever.And,yes with proper use of attachments by one who can understand them it will do many jobs well.'The same' also means continuous improvement but only on only 3 different versions of the Kirby.After all the first Generation that now continues was called generation THREE.
Avilar-Does this not sound like a new medication or even the disease it would be promoted to treat??
Handle-This seems to be Kirby see,Kirby do after some recent Orecks.No matter how strong it is or how good the power drive is with less handle and the same large base unit it looks as if you have gone from pushing a brick on a stick to pushing a concrete block on a stick.
Real customers-Years ago we had a Kirby office selling the Heritage.After they left as often happens when the finance company has had enough many customers would come to me for bags.As if rehearsed every one would say"I need bags for my Kirby,I HATE it."Then the G-3 was introduced with power drive,which in addition to the bags was the best improvement ever.Sales and customer satisfaction dis seem to increase and I thought I will never find a used G-3.but it was just a matter of time until they were in the yard sales,flea market and Rainbow trade in room just as the Avilar will be.
Why is anyone surprised that we now have more of the same?!
Let me first say that 'the same' is one of, if not the best upright ever.And,yes with proper use of attachments by one who can understand them it will do many jobs well.'The same' also means continuous improvement but only on only 3 different versions of the Kirby.After all the first Generation that now continues was called generation THREE.
Avilar-Does this not sound like a new medication or even the disease it would be promoted to treat??
Handle-This seems to be Kirby see,Kirby do after some recent Orecks.No matter how strong it is or how good the power drive is with less handle and the same large base unit it looks as if you have gone from pushing a brick on a stick to pushing a concrete block on a stick.
Real customers-Years ago we had a Kirby office selling the Heritage.After they left as often happens when the finance company has had enough many customers would come to me for bags.As if rehearsed every one would say"I need bags for my Kirby,I HATE it."Then the G-3 was introduced with power drive,which in addition to the bags was the best improvement ever.Sales and customer satisfaction dis seem to increase and I thought I will never find a used G-3.but it was just a matter of time until they were in the yard sales,flea market and Rainbow trade in room just as the Avilar will be.
caligula
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Hi rugsucker.
I'm rarely here in Contemporary, as I'm not interested in modern vacuum cleaners, I like things 1960 or older. The exception is Kirby, but even there, I don't go beyond the Classic 111. Sure I have a G-4 but that's for housecleaning only!
So why am I here now? To put an end to that growing fear that my beloved Kirby was gone forever! After touring the factory in June with those who attended the V.C.C.C. convention, I went into a tailspin! Kirby top brass were closed mouthed on the 'new model,' so, as usual, I let my mind run riot.
I have no comments on the new Avalir yet, as pictures posted here are not enough. The one thing they have done is put my fears to rest. My beloved Kirby will basically stay the same. Generally speaking I like what I see, but as to the new features? that remains to be seen.
I now know that James B. Kirby is not rolling over in his grave, and that the quality he put into his vacuum cleaners will continue.
I'm rarely here in Contemporary, as I'm not interested in modern vacuum cleaners, I like things 1960 or older. The exception is Kirby, but even there, I don't go beyond the Classic 111. Sure I have a G-4 but that's for housecleaning only!
So why am I here now? To put an end to that growing fear that my beloved Kirby was gone forever! After touring the factory in June with those who attended the V.C.C.C. convention, I went into a tailspin! Kirby top brass were closed mouthed on the 'new model,' so, as usual, I let my mind run riot.
I have no comments on the new Avalir yet, as pictures posted here are not enough. The one thing they have done is put my fears to rest. My beloved Kirby will basically stay the same. Generally speaking I like what I see, but as to the new features? that remains to be seen.
I now know that James B. Kirby is not rolling over in his grave, and that the quality he put into his vacuum cleaners will continue.
pinkge
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REALLY....!
After visting Kirby,with the convention,and being so guarded,watched with every movement;escorted to the restrooms,moved along quickly,avoided questions as to when the new Kirby would be out.Being made to feel not welcomed...this is the best you can do!!A Sentra with black trim,a hollowed out handle and a somewhat new rug shampooer/floor cleaner.I'm trully dissapointed.And I bet the attachments are the same ole cheap looking ones as before.
Sorry,everyone,I can not get excited about it.If Kirby is going to do a total redesign,then,for god sakes do so,instead of using using up old stock,with changed trims;calling it a new name.
Guess,I'll change the trim on my car and all my other appliances and rebadge them with new names.But,in the end they are one in the same.
Michael
After visting Kirby,with the convention,and being so guarded,watched with every movement;escorted to the restrooms,moved along quickly,avoided questions as to when the new Kirby would be out.Being made to feel not welcomed...this is the best you can do!!A Sentra with black trim,a hollowed out handle and a somewhat new rug shampooer/floor cleaner.I'm trully dissapointed.And I bet the attachments are the same ole cheap looking ones as before.
Sorry,everyone,I can not get excited about it.If Kirby is going to do a total redesign,then,for god sakes do so,instead of using using up old stock,with changed trims;calling it a new name.
Guess,I'll change the trim on my car and all my other appliances and rebadge them with new names.But,in the end they are one in the same.
Michael
I'm not here
To bash Kirby, as it isn't my first true love. However, they could have kept the same design as it has been tried and true, but brought it out of the year 2000. I would have been really excited if I would have seen it lit up like a Christmas tree with LEDs and maybe controls on the handle? Automatic height adjustment would have been a nice addition as well. Not saying I wouldn't buy one on eBay if it wasn't a good price. I just thought with all the hype and suspense it would have been more. They could have done all the aforementioned and still retained the same tried and true design that people love and in the process broadened their audience to sell more machines. Even if they did all those things and it was a whole new state of the art machine, I wouldn't have bought it from Kirby, simply because the Kirby office here in Pittsburgh is questionable and scary. I went once to buy bags for my Diamond and my one person there looked professional, and then someone who clearly was shady, stopped me as I was trying to leave the parking lot and said that he had just won a machine for selling so many and he would give it to me for $700 cash only. I said no, because if I were spending the money it would have to be a legit deal, and not from the parking lot. He forced me to take his number and to call him if I found someone to buy. I'll be buying my bags online from now on!
To bash Kirby, as it isn't my first true love. However, they could have kept the same design as it has been tried and true, but brought it out of the year 2000. I would have been really excited if I would have seen it lit up like a Christmas tree with LEDs and maybe controls on the handle? Automatic height adjustment would have been a nice addition as well. Not saying I wouldn't buy one on eBay if it wasn't a good price. I just thought with all the hype and suspense it would have been more. They could have done all the aforementioned and still retained the same tried and true design that people love and in the process broadened their audience to sell more machines. Even if they did all those things and it was a whole new state of the art machine, I wouldn't have bought it from Kirby, simply because the Kirby office here in Pittsburgh is questionable and scary. I went once to buy bags for my Diamond and my one person there looked professional, and then someone who clearly was shady, stopped me as I was trying to leave the parking lot and said that he had just won a machine for selling so many and he would give it to me for $700 cash only. I said no, because if I were spending the money it would have to be a legit deal, and not from the parking lot. He forced me to take his number and to call him if I found someone to buy. I'll be buying my bags online from now on!
kirbylux77
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To everyone who expected a totally different design....
WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!?! Of course Kirby wasn't going to go with the concept Avalir! Like I predicted in the past, they stuck with a tried & true design. If the concept Avalir HAD been put into production, it would have been a huge failure for Kirby! It was way too far from the qualities & features Kirby is known for today. Plus I bet there would have been design issues & premature failure of some components & features, especially if there was an electric hose port feature. The bottom line is, for anyone who still has any hope left, the concept Avalir will probably never be put into production, & Kirby will probably remain the same for many years to come. It's like frkirby560 said above "One thing he said that struck me: whatever they do, the Kirby has to look like a Kirby, sound like a Kirby, and function like a Kirby." That's the way it is with DTD brands....Rainbow, Aerus, Tristar, Filter Queen, they're all the same way....at the end of the day, they are known for their design & having certain features, & they can't deviate too far from it or they will alienate & lose customers.
One thing I am surprised nobody has commented on though - notice they ditched the Sentria II mini-emtor & returned back to the Sentria mini-emtor? I wonder if they were getting complaints on performance or some customers didn't like the way the Sentria II mini-emtor looked, or if dealer feedback prompted them to switch back to the Sentria mini-emtor. Either way, would be interesting to hear what a Kirby dealer thinks, if there is one on this board. One feature I would like to see implemented on the next Kirby though....it would be nice to see them incorporate the direct-drive brushroll that Bison had used. I think if Kirby made the parts out of all-metal instead of some parts being plastic like Bison did, & with some minor modifications, Kirby could make the design work & be reliable. This would also be key to simplifying attachment use down the road - somehow or another, they are going to have to remove the belt or change where it's located, if they want to make a hose fit on like a Royal, in the sense that you remove a cap & insert the hose, except removing the belt on a Royal to use the hose is it's achilles heel.
Either way, whether you like it or not, this is what we're stuck with for the next 3 to 4 years. I personally like it, & think it's the most stylish Kirby ever produced, besides the G4 & G6, & I like the addition of the handle built into the bag arm, that will make it easier for some people to carry up stairs.
Rob
WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!?! Of course Kirby wasn't going to go with the concept Avalir! Like I predicted in the past, they stuck with a tried & true design. If the concept Avalir HAD been put into production, it would have been a huge failure for Kirby! It was way too far from the qualities & features Kirby is known for today. Plus I bet there would have been design issues & premature failure of some components & features, especially if there was an electric hose port feature. The bottom line is, for anyone who still has any hope left, the concept Avalir will probably never be put into production, & Kirby will probably remain the same for many years to come. It's like frkirby560 said above "One thing he said that struck me: whatever they do, the Kirby has to look like a Kirby, sound like a Kirby, and function like a Kirby." That's the way it is with DTD brands....Rainbow, Aerus, Tristar, Filter Queen, they're all the same way....at the end of the day, they are known for their design & having certain features, & they can't deviate too far from it or they will alienate & lose customers.
One thing I am surprised nobody has commented on though - notice they ditched the Sentria II mini-emtor & returned back to the Sentria mini-emtor? I wonder if they were getting complaints on performance or some customers didn't like the way the Sentria II mini-emtor looked, or if dealer feedback prompted them to switch back to the Sentria mini-emtor. Either way, would be interesting to hear what a Kirby dealer thinks, if there is one on this board. One feature I would like to see implemented on the next Kirby though....it would be nice to see them incorporate the direct-drive brushroll that Bison had used. I think if Kirby made the parts out of all-metal instead of some parts being plastic like Bison did, & with some minor modifications, Kirby could make the design work & be reliable. This would also be key to simplifying attachment use down the road - somehow or another, they are going to have to remove the belt or change where it's located, if they want to make a hose fit on like a Royal, in the sense that you remove a cap & insert the hose, except removing the belt on a Royal to use the hose is it's achilles heel.
Either way, whether you like it or not, this is what we're stuck with for the next 3 to 4 years. I personally like it, & think it's the most stylish Kirby ever produced, besides the G4 & G6, & I like the addition of the handle built into the bag arm, that will make it easier for some people to carry up stairs.
Rob
williamr1248
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Kirby Avialir
What a total shame. I love Kirby but.....
I don't like the new hollow handle. It looks like a Oreck handle copy. Also that black plastic round fill tube going from the machine to the bags looks cheap. In the picture of the machine, now the handle and bag almost look too small for the huge body of the motor unit. Also don't care for how the rug nozzle protection strip that takes a dip in the middle of the nozzle. It makes it look like it is sagging or has slipped down.
Didn't they just have a black model with yellow trim a few years ago?
It puts them so far behind the industry with the new Aerus and Rainbow on the market and the new Shark and Dyson designs.
Add to that, most people seem to end up with a Kirby from a high pressure sale, not seeking to buy the machine.
There must be some reason you see so many almost new Kirby's selling on Ebay for such low prices, as Dan pointed out how cheap he was able to buy a unit.
I always liked my Kirby Legend ll and used it for many years until it just got too heavy and carry around.
I sure wish them well but no matter how much more power they add to the motor I would have no reason to invest.
They would have to improve the quality of the attachments and their conversion, make them lighter weight and fix the smelling hepa bags to get my interest.
What a total shame. I love Kirby but.....
I don't like the new hollow handle. It looks like a Oreck handle copy. Also that black plastic round fill tube going from the machine to the bags looks cheap. In the picture of the machine, now the handle and bag almost look too small for the huge body of the motor unit. Also don't care for how the rug nozzle protection strip that takes a dip in the middle of the nozzle. It makes it look like it is sagging or has slipped down.
Didn't they just have a black model with yellow trim a few years ago?
It puts them so far behind the industry with the new Aerus and Rainbow on the market and the new Shark and Dyson designs.
Add to that, most people seem to end up with a Kirby from a high pressure sale, not seeking to buy the machine.
There must be some reason you see so many almost new Kirby's selling on Ebay for such low prices, as Dan pointed out how cheap he was able to buy a unit.
I always liked my Kirby Legend ll and used it for many years until it just got too heavy and carry around.
I sure wish them well but no matter how much more power they add to the motor I would have no reason to invest.
They would have to improve the quality of the attachments and their conversion, make them lighter weight and fix the smelling hepa bags to get my interest.
beerad
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I think
This Kirby is a handsome machine with the contrasting and Classic chrome and black.
I really like the black hose and attchments
This Kirby is a handsome machine with the contrasting and Classic chrome and black.
I really like the black hose and attchments
pr-21
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They didn't go back to the old emptor.....
Check out the photos closer. Certain ways you look, it does look like the older style emptor, but they are using the newest style on it in black.
PR-21
Check out the photos closer. Certain ways you look, it does look like the older style emptor, but they are using the newest style on it in black.
PR-21
kirbyloverdan
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Here is the official
Brochure and pics Kirby never goes back to old parts that old emptor mold has been destroyed.
They made perfect even better I can't wait to own this .
Dan
Brochure and pics Kirby never goes back to old parts that old emptor mold has been destroyed.
They made perfect even better I can't wait to own this .
Dan
eurekastar
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I wonder if the Avalier's new shampooer will work on the current Sentria. I assume it will. Does anyone know for sure?
kirbyloverdan
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Not
Supposed to fit in previous Kirbys .
Dan
Supposed to fit in previous Kirbys .
Dan
It's starting to grow on me...
It reminds me of a 505! With the black trim and chrome. The big KIRBY on the bag is reminiscent of the old C series and early 500 series bags. I hope someone will bring an Avalir to St. Louis next year!
It reminds me of a 505! With the black trim and chrome. The big KIRBY on the bag is reminiscent of the old C series and early 500 series bags. I hope someone will bring an Avalir to St. Louis next year!
daknx1994
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I actually like the new Kirby. I am glad they did not do any kind of total re-design. I am one for the tried and true approach and the colors of this are starting to grow on me. When you stop and think about so many colors now a days are so basic like black, white, and gray. Very few manufactures of appliances make other color options available. Coming from the appliance market, if a customer wanted an appliance in for say, red, they would pay a higher price for just the color alone. Also, other DTD companies have not done a total re-design in quite a few years as well. Rainbow is the only one that I can think of that subtly came close to a re-design. One last thing, the new Aerus vacuums are mostly in black and dark gray yet I have not heard too many people complaining about them.
Side note: I hope I am spelling gray right. It is one of those nights, grey or gray?
Side note: I hope I am spelling gray right. It is one of those nights, grey or gray?
kirbyloverdan
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Derek it's an
Approach followed by high end auto manufacturers like my favorite brand Mercedes most luxury cars are sold in Black I only buy Black Mercedes these D2D models are following that color scheme.
I'm super excited to get this model as you can tell I can't wait I LOVE Kirby !!!
Dan
Approach followed by high end auto manufacturers like my favorite brand Mercedes most luxury cars are sold in Black I only buy Black Mercedes these D2D models are following that color scheme.
I'm super excited to get this model as you can tell I can't wait I LOVE Kirby !!!
Dan
caligula
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Hi Kirbyloverdan.
Now that I've seen the pictures you posted, I convirme it. I'm very pleased with the design, but I have a question if it's not too soon to answer. What is the tool that looks like a paint roller? A revision of the Handi-Waxer?
I'm so glad the new Kirby looks like a Kirby. Now I want to see a demo. Too bad my housemate would never let me live it down if I bought one. But who knows, after the hype dies down, I just might get one next year.
Thanks for sharing, I don't care what the nay sayers grumble about, I'm very happy with the Avalir, well worth waiting for.
Alex Taber
Now that I've seen the pictures you posted, I convirme it. I'm very pleased with the design, but I have a question if it's not too soon to answer. What is the tool that looks like a paint roller? A revision of the Handi-Waxer?
I'm so glad the new Kirby looks like a Kirby. Now I want to see a demo. Too bad my housemate would never let me live it down if I bought one. But who knows, after the hype dies down, I just might get one next year.
Thanks for sharing, I don't care what the nay sayers grumble about, I'm very happy with the Avalir, well worth waiting for.
Alex Taber
marks_here
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Okay I stand corrected
I don't know what it is about this one but it's starting to grow really fast on me. I think it's the colours of the red & black BUT it still won't work on my carpets...dammit!!! I should have read which vacuums work with this carpet before I had them installed.
I don't know what it is about this one but it's starting to grow really fast on me. I think it's the colours of the red & black BUT it still won't work on my carpets...dammit!!! I should have read which vacuums work with this carpet before I had them installed.
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