I've gone and bought another one!

[vintagerepairer]

Well I have to say it was not fun being around my wife when the damn thing was going up & down. With her model, one had to select full power each & every time the cleaner was switched on, unlike the 2880 before it which stayed on full power if you let it be. Although she quickly remembered to press the full power after switching on, she did initially forget to do this and would use it on auto sense briefly. She cleaned a lot, but even then the cleaner would 'auto sense' quite a lot as it picked things up.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Well all I can say is, at least you knew the autosense feature worked propperly, lolll.
I heard it wasn't as sensative on the turbopower three because of the wider and longer hose but have not used one so I am not 100% sure on that.

 

[vintagerepairer]

I have no idea either, and those autosense cleaners with narrow hoses weren't around for long anyway. Either the model was discontinued or it ran on with the wider hose post 1994.

 

[jmurray01]

"This, essentially, will be like running the TP1000 on the middle speed constantly." I thought it would be like running the TP1000 on Turbo constantly ?

One thing I did notice was on the rating sticker it says the wattage can go as high as 1050W, so does this mean the motor differs from the one in the TP1000 or is it just being more specific ?

 

[jmurray01]

"The little yellow toggle is not missing. It was only ever fitted to the Turbopower 3 cleaners. After the TP3 went into production, both the TP2 and TP3 had the moulding where the yellow toggle would be fitted, but as I already said, only the TP3 had it." Ah, that's good to know! Thanks Benny

 

[jmurray01]

"I also found that the regular Turbopower 2 sounds the same as an autosense Turbopower 2 in the High mode." I totally agree - It does!

To the best of my knowledge the Turbopower 2 1000W had the same motor as the Turbopower 1000 but it was wired up to constantly run at the full 1000 Watts opposed to having variable wattage via an electronic control unit.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Mr Murray, I know you said that your memeory is poor, but the variation of wattages on a rating plate was talked about at length. The maximum wattage will be the power consumed at maximum voltage. So, as an example, if the rating plate says "220 - 240v, 800-1000w" and what comes out of your wall socket is, say, 224.1777777777777v , them the wattage will be in between the 800 and 1000 range.

 

[jmurray01]

Ah, we're onto the Autosense debate again, joy! Ha ha.

I think we all know I'm a big fan of the Autosense! As the advert said - It gives you the power you need, when you need it.

Equally, it doesn't give you unnecessary power when it is not required, thus saving electric and reducing wear to the motor and brush roll bearings. Oh and the belt too for that matter.

As for which will I use as my daily driver - I really don't know.

I know I'll use one of them, as they are the best all round cleaner with great carpet grooming and great hose suction, but which one...

Hmm...

I know the TP1000 is rarer and older, but I'm more drawn to it because the TP2 is in immaculate condition and I want to keep it that way.

The TP1000 is already quite scuffed and marred, so although I don't want any further damage, if I had to subject one cleaner to daily "abuse" (I use that term in the loosest possible fashion - I'm very careful while vacuuming), it would be the one that is already slightly worn.

I may change my mind though, I do that often

The one thing I... Dislike, if you could be as harsh as that, is the fact that because the TP2 runs at full power all the time, the hose suction is so immense with an empty bag that the crevice tool really increases the motor pitch and glues itself to anything it goes near.

The TP1000 on the other hand is fine even with an empty bag if you let the Autosense drop down to the lowest power.

That, of course, was a big problem for powerful uprights without electronic variable wattage control. My 1993 Philips U800 is also guilty of that, but not as badly as it isn't quite as powerful.

Remaining on topic, but veering off the current talking point - I've noticed the Bag Full indicator on the TP2 is a different, more sharp (if you know what I mean) light, rather than the soft light the TP1000 has.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Around 1999 Hoover began using a different motor in their TP2 cleaners. I know that the TP2 did not get an increase in wattage from the usual 800w until a while after the TP3 had ended in 1997, when the Purepower replaced it. The green one here is from around 1998. I think the usage of the newer motor coincided with the newer graphics on the hood. Possibly there was a yellow version with old graphics and new style (noisier) motor.

 

[jmurray01]

"
Mr Murray, I know you said that your memeory is poor, but the variation of wattages on a rating plate was talked about at length. The maximum wattage will be the power consumed at maximum voltage. So, as an example, if the rating plate says "220 - 240v, 800-1000w" and what comes out of your wall socket is, say, 224.1777777777777v , them the wattage will be in between the 800 and 1000 range." I do remember that, but the Turbopower 1000 says "MAX 1000W", no mention of the 1050W value the Turbopower 2 states...

I was just curious as to why this was.

 

[jmurray01]

"The green one here is from around 1998." I assume you mean the motor, as the serial number identifies the actual cleaner as being manufactured in 1999.

 

[vintagerepairer]

That's ok and I wasn't telling you off, sorry, it does look that way though. I see what you are getting at now, yes I think they were being more specific by saying 1050w as opposed to 1000. Or it could be that the motor does actually run that little bit faster.

As for the difference in bag full lights, on electronic models the lamps are LED's, whereas on ordinary standard cleaners a neon is used, same sort of thing as seen on irons, kettles, extension leads, and so on. Well spotted though.

 

[vintagerepairer]

No I meant the model of cleaner is from around 1998. The fact that yours says 1999 confirms this as models usually ran for a couple of years or so.

 

[jmurray01]

"As for the difference in bag full lights, on electronic models the lamps are LED's, whereas on ordinary standard cleaners a neon is used, same sort of thing as seen on irons, kettles, extension leads, and so on. Well spotted though." That makes sense! I did notice when I put my hand over the hose to check the indicator worked that it was a very "on and off" light, if that makes any sense.

 

[jmurray01]

"That's ok and I wasn't telling you off, sorry, it does look that way though. I see what you are getting at now, yes I think they were being more specific by saying 1050w as opposed to 1000. Or it could be that the motor does actually run that little bit faster." The only person who would really know the answer is HOOVER I suppose.

If they were being more specific I would have thought they'd have put 1050W on the bag door instead of 1000W, but maybe the straight forward value was less complicated for the general consumer.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Well yes the motor may well of been from 1998, various parts of the machine will be mad at different times but the same year (usually) the serial number defines when the whole machine was put together and boxed up for shipping to reatilers.

 

[jmurray01]

Well that's true (parts made at different times), because the two parts of my Turbopower 2 that have the date clocks on them is the brush roll guard and the motor cover.

The brush roll guard is dated way back to 1992 when the Turbopower as we now know it was first released and the motor cover is dated 1994.

It seems in the late nineties HOOVER (or Candy rather) started using up old parts that they had lying around rather than manufacturing new ones.

 

[jmurray01]

Perhaps my ears are deceiving me, but I used the Turbopower 2 again today and it seemed much quieter. It was still loud but not as much as yesterday.

I did replace the H4 bag with a H18 one so maybe that is why.

 

[vintagerepairer]

H4, H18, the times I've seen the H4 bag in a Turbopower2, 3, or 1000, is too many to remember. I blame Hoover, as I think they should have used the H4 bag in all cleaners marked 'Turbopower' or better still redesigned it to look like the H18 and sell that for all models - which of course is exactly what Hoover did do in later years, seeing how the plastic tube of the standard dirty fan Turbopower was a perfect fit for the diameter of the H18 bag.

Mr Murray, I know very little about the actual production of anything, but it would be a strong suggestion on my part that the belt guard you have dated to 1992 may well have been part of a current batch at that time. There is nothing to say that Hoover didn't have thousands of them produced at a time. Not only this, at a stretch we could even say that the part might have been made in late December 1992, whilst the hood was made in early January 1994. If you include delivery times and whatever else, that means there may potentially have been only a year or even less between the two parts coming into stock at Hoover. Generally, I would not be surprised to see date stamps of parts on a cleaner which differed by a year or two. Mind you, I have no idea as to why some parts are stamped and others aren't, and what purpose it served anyway, because I am sure as sure can be that back in the early 1990's the Hoover engineers did not sit around discussing the possibility that in 20 years time we'd all be sat at home wired up to the 'internet' and discussing their products! Can you imagine?

 

[jmurray01]

I don't know why they were date stamped either, but thank goodness they were, for collectors like me!

As for the H4 bags being used in place of H18 ones, I can believe you did see that often.

To the general consumer the H4 would seem like the correct bag, because it would slot into place and be the right size, plus it does say "Turbopower" on it, the lack of "2/1000/3" would not generally be noticed by most people!

What they don't know is that because the collar of the H4 bags are slightly smaller they don't seal tightly enough and let some dust through to clog up the Pre-Motor filters and God forbid, get into the motor.

I don't know what I'll do with the two brand new Genuine HOOVER H4 bags I have that came with the Turbopower 2, but they certainly won't be making their way into the bag chamber, that is for sure!

I do need to replenish my stocks of bags though, as I've only got three spare H18 bags. I suppose I shouldn't be to worried, three bags will last a year at the least, but I always get anxious about running out of bags/belts and being stuck... Don't know why, it is just my nature.

The Turbopower 2/1000/3 cleaners really were brilliant, the only thing they lacked was a Hedlite! Funnily enough if you look closely there is actually a piece of the hood that is molded to fit a headlamp if you put a lens in there and a bulb, with wiring of course.