I've gone and bought another one!
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vintagerepairer
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That's ok and I wasn't telling you off, sorry, it does look that way though. I see what you are getting at now, yes I think they were being more specific by saying 1050w as opposed to 1000. Or it could be that the motor does actually run that little bit faster.
As for the difference in bag full lights, on electronic models the lamps are LED's, whereas on ordinary standard cleaners a neon is used, same sort of thing as seen on irons, kettles, extension leads, and so on. Well spotted though.
As for the difference in bag full lights, on electronic models the lamps are LED's, whereas on ordinary standard cleaners a neon is used, same sort of thing as seen on irons, kettles, extension leads, and so on. Well spotted though.
vintagerepairer
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No I meant the model of cleaner is from around 1998. The fact that yours says 1999 confirms this as models usually ran for a couple of years or so.
"As for the difference in bag full lights, on electronic models the lamps are LED's, whereas on ordinary standard cleaners a neon is used, same sort of thing as seen on irons, kettles, extension leads, and so on. Well spotted though." That makes sense! I did notice when I put my hand over the hose to check the indicator worked that it was a very "on and off" light, if that makes any sense.
"That's ok and I wasn't telling you off, sorry, it does look that way though. I see what you are getting at now, yes I think they were being more specific by saying 1050w as opposed to 1000. Or it could be that the motor does actually run that little bit faster." The only person who would really know the answer is HOOVER I suppose.
If they were being more specific I would have thought they'd have put 1050W on the bag door instead of 1000W, but maybe the straight forward value was less complicated for the general consumer.
If they were being more specific I would have thought they'd have put 1050W on the bag door instead of 1000W, but maybe the straight forward value was less complicated for the general consumer.
alexhoovers94
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Well yes the motor may well of been from 1998, various parts of the machine will be mad at different times but the same year (usually) the serial number defines when the whole machine was put together and boxed up for shipping to reatilers.
Well that's true (parts made at different times), because the two parts of my Turbopower 2 that have the date clocks on them is the brush roll guard and the motor cover.
The brush roll guard is dated way back to 1992 when the Turbopower as we now know it was first released and the motor cover is dated 1994.
It seems in the late nineties HOOVER (or Candy rather) started using up old parts that they had lying around rather than manufacturing new ones.
The brush roll guard is dated way back to 1992 when the Turbopower as we now know it was first released and the motor cover is dated 1994.
It seems in the late nineties HOOVER (or Candy rather) started using up old parts that they had lying around rather than manufacturing new ones.
vintagerepairer
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H4, H18, the times I've seen the H4 bag in a Turbopower2, 3, or 1000, is too many to remember. I blame Hoover, as I think they should have used the H4 bag in all cleaners marked 'Turbopower' or better still redesigned it to look like the H18 and sell that for all models - which of course is exactly what Hoover did do in later years, seeing how the plastic tube of the standard dirty fan Turbopower was a perfect fit for the diameter of the H18 bag.
Mr Murray, I know very little about the actual production of anything, but it would be a strong suggestion on my part that the belt guard you have dated to 1992 may well have been part of a current batch at that time. There is nothing to say that Hoover didn't have thousands of them produced at a time. Not only this, at a stretch we could even say that the part might have been made in late December 1992, whilst the hood was made in early January 1994. If you include delivery times and whatever else, that means there may potentially have been only a year or even less between the two parts coming into stock at Hoover. Generally, I would not be surprised to see date stamps of parts on a cleaner which differed by a year or two. Mind you, I have no idea as to why some parts are stamped and others aren't, and what purpose it served anyway, because I am sure as sure can be that back in the early 1990's the Hoover engineers did not sit around discussing the possibility that in 20 years time we'd all be sat at home wired up to the 'internet' and discussing their products! Can you imagine?
Mr Murray, I know very little about the actual production of anything, but it would be a strong suggestion on my part that the belt guard you have dated to 1992 may well have been part of a current batch at that time. There is nothing to say that Hoover didn't have thousands of them produced at a time. Not only this, at a stretch we could even say that the part might have been made in late December 1992, whilst the hood was made in early January 1994. If you include delivery times and whatever else, that means there may potentially have been only a year or even less between the two parts coming into stock at Hoover. Generally, I would not be surprised to see date stamps of parts on a cleaner which differed by a year or two. Mind you, I have no idea as to why some parts are stamped and others aren't, and what purpose it served anyway, because I am sure as sure can be that back in the early 1990's the Hoover engineers did not sit around discussing the possibility that in 20 years time we'd all be sat at home wired up to the 'internet' and discussing their products! Can you imagine?
I don't know why they were date stamped either, but thank goodness they were, for collectors like me!
As for the H4 bags being used in place of H18 ones, I can believe you did see that often.
To the general consumer the H4 would seem like the correct bag, because it would slot into place and be the right size, plus it does say "Turbopower" on it, the lack of "2/1000/3" would not generally be noticed by most people!
What they don't know is that because the collar of the H4 bags are slightly smaller they don't seal tightly enough and let some dust through to clog up the Pre-Motor filters and God forbid, get into the motor.
I don't know what I'll do with the two brand new Genuine HOOVER H4 bags I have that came with the Turbopower 2, but they certainly won't be making their way into the bag chamber, that is for sure!
I do need to replenish my stocks of bags though, as I've only got three spare H18 bags. I suppose I shouldn't be to worried, three bags will last a year at the least, but I always get anxious about running out of bags/belts and being stuck... Don't know why, it is just my nature.
The Turbopower 2/1000/3 cleaners really were brilliant, the only thing they lacked was a Hedlite! Funnily enough if you look closely there is actually a piece of the hood that is molded to fit a headlamp if you put a lens in there and a bulb, with wiring of course.
As for the H4 bags being used in place of H18 ones, I can believe you did see that often.
To the general consumer the H4 would seem like the correct bag, because it would slot into place and be the right size, plus it does say "Turbopower" on it, the lack of "2/1000/3" would not generally be noticed by most people!
What they don't know is that because the collar of the H4 bags are slightly smaller they don't seal tightly enough and let some dust through to clog up the Pre-Motor filters and God forbid, get into the motor.
I don't know what I'll do with the two brand new Genuine HOOVER H4 bags I have that came with the Turbopower 2, but they certainly won't be making their way into the bag chamber, that is for sure!
I do need to replenish my stocks of bags though, as I've only got three spare H18 bags. I suppose I shouldn't be to worried, three bags will last a year at the least, but I always get anxious about running out of bags/belts and being stuck... Don't know why, it is just my nature.
The Turbopower 2/1000/3 cleaners really were brilliant, the only thing they lacked was a Hedlite! Funnily enough if you look closely there is actually a piece of the hood that is molded to fit a headlamp if you put a lens in there and a bulb, with wiring of course.
vintagerepairer
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With respect of the H4 bags, the hole wasn't the wrong size as such, it was a case of it not having the soft flexible membrane of the H18 bag. Also the TP2/3/1000 did of course have a tab on the bottom of the cardboard to latch it into place, and a clip on the cleaner to hold the top. This is unlike the earlier TP ranges which used friction and a tight fit to secure the bag to the tube.
Yes, the hole was a perfect fit, but because the actual collar was slightly too small it didn't clip into place with the tightness required for a near 100% seal that the H18 bags gave.
Of course, if you only had a Turbopower 2/1000/3 as your Vacuum Cleaner and the only bag you had was a H4 one, you could use it and it would work, but I would not recommend it for regular use, just as a stop gap.
With the original Turbopower being dirty fan, the seal wasn't as important as on a clean fan.
Of course, if you only had a Turbopower 2/1000/3 as your Vacuum Cleaner and the only bag you had was a H4 one, you could use it and it would work, but I would not recommend it for regular use, just as a stop gap.
With the original Turbopower being dirty fan, the seal wasn't as important as on a clean fan.
vintagerepairer
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It isn't just the seal though, with the H4 bag in a TP2/3/1000 the bag had nothing to grip onto, so as well as dirt escaping from the hole, the entire bag would often come away altogether, leaving the dirt to congregate in the bag unit.
That is what I meant, the collar (by collar I mean the whole cardboard fixture, not just the hole) doesn't clip in tight enough to hold in place.
Granted, when the bag is empty it will stay in place, but as it fills the combined weight and suction will pull it out of the housing.
I don't know why HOOVER didn't design the Turbopower 2/1000/3 to take the same bags though. They made the hole the same size, all they needed to do was make the housing slightly smaller and differently shaped so the collar of the H4 bags could clip in tightly.
Granted, when the bag is empty it will stay in place, but as it fills the combined weight and suction will pull it out of the housing.
I don't know why HOOVER didn't design the Turbopower 2/1000/3 to take the same bags though. They made the hole the same size, all they needed to do was make the housing slightly smaller and differently shaped so the collar of the H4 bags could clip in tightly.
vintagerepairer
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Well what you are saying is what I said earlier, that the two machines could have used the same bag. However, the fitting on the TP2/3/1000 is without doubt a good deal easier to get off and on the cleaner. I think the reason why it did not use the same fitting as the original Turbopower is because the hard bag unit is much, much deeper on the TP2/3/1000 and it would have been a struggle to get ones hands inside to pull out that tight fitting bag. This is in contrast to the original TP cleaner, where the front cover forms almost half of the hard bag unit, making it much easier to get to the bag.
alexhoovers94
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They could not use the same bags anyway the turbopower one bags are alot longer than the turbo 2 bags, unless you folded them up to the correct size and then attach the bag clip, but you don't want to mess about doing that, you just want to put the bag in then go vacuum.
qualtex do make some turbopower 2 bags that are the size of turbopower one bags, but have the turbopower 2 bag collar on, so you could fold them up for the turbopower 2 or just keep them as they are for the turbopower one which is a good idea really, hoover should of done that.
qualtex do make some turbopower 2 bags that are the size of turbopower one bags, but have the turbopower 2 bag collar on, so you could fold them up for the turbopower 2 or just keep them as they are for the turbopower one which is a good idea really, hoover should of done that.
