sptyks
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I thought you didn't have the Eureka anymore???
Hoover Windtunnel vs Eureka AirSpeed
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super-sweeper
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Sebo guy,I see your point. I should've simply wrote that at no point in this conversation had I judged Niclonnic diffrently because of his preference of bagless!
No, I don't have the Eureka anymore
My dad helped his friend move yesterday, and gave them the Eureka AirSpeed because their vacuum just died and they couldn't afford a new vacuum. But hey, it was free from the Amazon Vine program!
My dad helped his friend move yesterday, and gave them the Eureka AirSpeed because their vacuum just died and they couldn't afford a new vacuum. But hey, it was free from the Amazon Vine program!
sebo_fan
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In reply to your response, Nic in No. 36, bagged vacuums can suffer from dust OUTSIDE of the bag as well. I know my Hoover TTI based Vax VCU02 often has a line of dust on the floor head after a work out in my home.
I am not sure where you are getting your info from regarding a "clear bin for dust" - after all, several dust busters on the market were appearing on the market with clear plastic well before Dyson came to market. Yours truly had a rather faithful Black and Decker for many years, straight from the U.S - and ever since then I am still very faithful to that brand.
I also have the Dyson book, the first edition of the autobiography and Dyson points out that he did have a dark bin when the first bagless uprights appeared but consumers wanted a clear bin. Therefore the first couple of Dysons had dark acrylic as opposed to clear. Evidently you might have the same book if you are quoting polycarbonate versus shattering plastic.
Bagless vacs may expel dust back into the air but that is not why they smell! They smell because most owners don't give a thought to washing out the hose, or the other plastic parts where dust and oils from dirt get ingrained, sit on the machine and the moment air rushes past, takes the odour from it and puts it through the machine.
Even bagged vacuums that have no additional filters built in suffer from this. Those that have high filtration dust bags also suffer eventually if they are used in a home with pets. This is why the charcoal filter was invented - it absorbs the smells on the exhaust when fitted.
But when owners are in a home with pets, it is evident that the scent is hanging around because it is clinging to the bits of plastic that owners don't give much thought about cleaning out. I find this quite often with any second hand Miele parts, spares or even donor machines that may well have had an old charcoal based HEPA or AAC filter fitted to it for most of its life, but still stinks of old dog!
I am not sure where you are getting your info from regarding a "clear bin for dust" - after all, several dust busters on the market were appearing on the market with clear plastic well before Dyson came to market. Yours truly had a rather faithful Black and Decker for many years, straight from the U.S - and ever since then I am still very faithful to that brand.
I also have the Dyson book, the first edition of the autobiography and Dyson points out that he did have a dark bin when the first bagless uprights appeared but consumers wanted a clear bin. Therefore the first couple of Dysons had dark acrylic as opposed to clear. Evidently you might have the same book if you are quoting polycarbonate versus shattering plastic.
Bagless vacs may expel dust back into the air but that is not why they smell! They smell because most owners don't give a thought to washing out the hose, or the other plastic parts where dust and oils from dirt get ingrained, sit on the machine and the moment air rushes past, takes the odour from it and puts it through the machine.
Even bagged vacuums that have no additional filters built in suffer from this. Those that have high filtration dust bags also suffer eventually if they are used in a home with pets. This is why the charcoal filter was invented - it absorbs the smells on the exhaust when fitted.
But when owners are in a home with pets, it is evident that the scent is hanging around because it is clinging to the bits of plastic that owners don't give much thought about cleaning out. I find this quite often with any second hand Miele parts, spares or even donor machines that may well have had an old charcoal based HEPA or AAC filter fitted to it for most of its life, but still stinks of old dog!
super-sweeper
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Bagless and bagged vacuums stink alike, it's not in the design as Sebo guy was saying. The worst is oil from pet hair, that can stick to hoses easily, and STAY there! Some oils can even engrave their 'scents' into cheaper plastics!
The clear dust bin goes all the way back to the 1940s. Rainbow invented it as a salesman's demonstration piece. Customers fell in love with the clear bin, and Rainbow started manufacturing all of their new models with clear bins.
Worse yet, Rainbow had cyclonic action before James Dyson was even born, all the way back in the 1930s!
The clear dust bin goes all the way back to the 1940s. Rainbow invented it as a salesman's demonstration piece. Customers fell in love with the clear bin, and Rainbow started manufacturing all of their new models with clear bins.
Worse yet, Rainbow had cyclonic action before James Dyson was even born, all the way back in the 1930s!
sebo_fan
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Im confused - I thought I had already said that pet hair and associated oil sticks in the plastic.
Worse so, if the airflow has plenty of cracks, and bends on the way through the hose where hair and oil will congeal and stick. I think sometimes brands do that intentionally - make leaky seals - safe in the knowledge that household dust will plug the seals "with common use."
Worse so, if the airflow has plenty of cracks, and bends on the way through the hose where hair and oil will congeal and stick. I think sometimes brands do that intentionally - make leaky seals - safe in the knowledge that household dust will plug the seals "with common use."
Interesting facts...
Sebo_fan, I've never used a bagged vacuum in my home, so I can't offer my thoughts on bagged vacuums.
I learned the clear bin information from Wikipedia. I looked up the Dyson company article, and that's where I got my information. This, in turn, came from an article called "A Clear Bin Policy" on www.jenkins.eu. I don't have the Dyson book, but I learned about polycarbonate vs. shattering plastic from Dyson's testing videos on Youtube.
Bagless vacuums do have lots of parts that will eventually smell, especially the filters. A single cyclonic bagless vacuum, such as the Bissell Powerforce Helix from Walmart, relies on filters to trap all the fine dust. Cleaning out said filters is a very messy job, since they're packed with dust!
As for charcoal filters, some Hoover vacuums, like my Hoover Windtunnel 2 Rewind Pet, have a HEPA filter with a layer of charcoal on its exhaust. That helps to get rid of pet odors. There is a rinsable pre-motor filter located above the dust cup, which gets clogged with hair quickly. When vacuuming floors, all the dirt travels through the hose, which when attached properly, has two bends and turns in the dirt path. This hose gets dust and grit stuck in it. I have to unclip the hose and stretch it out (with the vacuum running) to suck whatever's stuck in the hose into the dirt cup.
Super-sweeper, your facts seem like ancient history now! Bagless vacuums became popular in the early '90s. That was before I was born!
Here is a link to the "Clear Bin Policy" article.
http://www.jenkins.eu/mym-spring-2004/a-clear-bin-policy.asp
Sebo_fan, I've never used a bagged vacuum in my home, so I can't offer my thoughts on bagged vacuums.
I learned the clear bin information from Wikipedia. I looked up the Dyson company article, and that's where I got my information. This, in turn, came from an article called "A Clear Bin Policy" on www.jenkins.eu. I don't have the Dyson book, but I learned about polycarbonate vs. shattering plastic from Dyson's testing videos on Youtube.
Bagless vacuums do have lots of parts that will eventually smell, especially the filters. A single cyclonic bagless vacuum, such as the Bissell Powerforce Helix from Walmart, relies on filters to trap all the fine dust. Cleaning out said filters is a very messy job, since they're packed with dust!
As for charcoal filters, some Hoover vacuums, like my Hoover Windtunnel 2 Rewind Pet, have a HEPA filter with a layer of charcoal on its exhaust. That helps to get rid of pet odors. There is a rinsable pre-motor filter located above the dust cup, which gets clogged with hair quickly. When vacuuming floors, all the dirt travels through the hose, which when attached properly, has two bends and turns in the dirt path. This hose gets dust and grit stuck in it. I have to unclip the hose and stretch it out (with the vacuum running) to suck whatever's stuck in the hose into the dirt cup.
Super-sweeper, your facts seem like ancient history now! Bagless vacuums became popular in the early '90s. That was before I was born!
Here is a link to the "Clear Bin Policy" article.
http://www.jenkins.eu/mym-spring-2004/a-clear-bin-policy.asp
Clarification
I learned about the polycarbonate vs shattering plastic from Dyson's testing videos on YouTube. Sorry, should have proofread the message and spelled YouTube correctly.
I learned about the polycarbonate vs shattering plastic from Dyson's testing videos on YouTube. Sorry, should have proofread the message and spelled YouTube correctly.
super-sweeper
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Sebo guy,I was reiterating what you had already said!
Don't DARE believe those Dyson videos. WHY would they put a video of their own machine failing on the internet? They simply cannot be actual lab tests. Mowing a Dyson over with a Plymouth Fury is a lab test, as long as it's not done by Dyson! It's the same case as that car company that smashed their ugly excuse of a SUV into a Chevrolet Bellaire. The Bellaire had its engine removed, it would never crumple the way it did if it had an engine. If Dysons can barely hold up in average consumer use, why on earth would somebody believe those videos?
-End typical Dyson rant!-
You're right, bagless exploded in the early 1990s with the introduction of the American Fantom and the British Dyson. The days of bagged vacuums became numbered, especially in Britain, where you weren't the talk of the town unless you had a Dyson! Fantom was a more 'Hey this is a cool vacuum but I'm going to buy this Hoover because it's cheaper' case. Fantom didn't send a death-note to bagged vacuums, but rather introduced both competition and new ideas. Soon after, Hoover did experimenting with bagless.first the bagless Elite tragedy, then in 1999, the infamous WindTunnel.Eureka soon jumped in with the Whirlwind, followed by Bissell's infamous Powerforce. Bagless had stolen the market, and bagged cleaners dwindled into smaller manufacturing numbers. Today the market is ruled by the dominance of bagless. Rather it's the Dyson 'Hey neighbor, take that! I just bought the DC238!' Crowd or the Wal-Mart vacuum isle. Where bagged uprights stood proud now stands imported status-symbols.
Ok class, that ends my speech for the day. Your Bagless History II quiz is next Friday! Have fun at lunch!
Don't DARE believe those Dyson videos. WHY would they put a video of their own machine failing on the internet? They simply cannot be actual lab tests. Mowing a Dyson over with a Plymouth Fury is a lab test, as long as it's not done by Dyson! It's the same case as that car company that smashed their ugly excuse of a SUV into a Chevrolet Bellaire. The Bellaire had its engine removed, it would never crumple the way it did if it had an engine. If Dysons can barely hold up in average consumer use, why on earth would somebody believe those videos?
-End typical Dyson rant!-
You're right, bagless exploded in the early 1990s with the introduction of the American Fantom and the British Dyson. The days of bagged vacuums became numbered, especially in Britain, where you weren't the talk of the town unless you had a Dyson! Fantom was a more 'Hey this is a cool vacuum but I'm going to buy this Hoover because it's cheaper' case. Fantom didn't send a death-note to bagged vacuums, but rather introduced both competition and new ideas. Soon after, Hoover did experimenting with bagless.first the bagless Elite tragedy, then in 1999, the infamous WindTunnel.Eureka soon jumped in with the Whirlwind, followed by Bissell's infamous Powerforce. Bagless had stolen the market, and bagged cleaners dwindled into smaller manufacturing numbers. Today the market is ruled by the dominance of bagless. Rather it's the Dyson 'Hey neighbor, take that! I just bought the DC238!' Crowd or the Wal-Mart vacuum isle. Where bagged uprights stood proud now stands imported status-symbols.
Ok class, that ends my speech for the day. Your Bagless History II quiz is next Friday! Have fun at lunch!
