Hoover Windtunnel vs Eureka AirSpeed

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It seems that every time I create a new thread in this forum, they drift off into other subjects. I first posted about a comparison between two budget bagless vacuums, then it turned into a discussion about Kirbys.

There is no denying that Kirbys are well made. I agree with you guys, they will out-clean other vacuums. The subject of this thread was to show which vacuum worked better, and the Eureka AirSpeed pulled out more dirt than the Hoover Windtunnel did. Sadly, I don't have the AirSpeed anymore.
 
You shouldn't get so het about other discussions niclonnic - it adds to the topic in question unless some members feel it is their right to talk about something completely different. But as you may see I tried to pull the topic back on course.

As you will see I have not strayed away from discussion about either the Eureka or the Hoover in the test photos you have provided, but it is good to discuss within that the content of the dust pick up.

Marks - were you referring to me about liking Dyson? I can't see anywhere in this thread where I have said I do. I did have the Vax version of the Windtunnel Air - and that has pretty strong force IMHO. That's where I discovered rolls of wool carpet coming up rather than actual dust.

Nic - In regard to your test it is easy to see "which vacuum cleaner cleans better" from the mountains of dust collected in each one, but surely its the Hoover that has picked up more from your photo, not the Airspeed?

What people should be doing to get an even fairer test is plopping said dust on a digital scale and measuring the weight of it. Then you'll get a closer idea of how much dust and stuff each vacuum picks up.
 
Let me dispell some myths about Kirby's direct air desig

Now everyone knows that the Kirby "Direct Air" system is the most effective carpet cleaning system there is, so let's dispell a couple of the negative attributes that many people believe about Kirby's.


 


First off, let's talk about the myth of bags. The Kirby bag is quite large and will take mutch longer to fill up than many bags in some "Bypass air" vacs which are quite small, fill quickly and very expensive as well. The Kirby HEPA bag can be had for as little as $3.00 each and can last from 6 months to a year whereas the small bypass air HEPA bags fill much more quickly and cost as much as $8.00 each. So it is a MYTH that the large Kirby HEPA bags are too inconvient and too expensive.


 


Now let's talk about the Kirby Direct air system. Any Kirby manufactured after 1997 has a fan made of an advanced polymer called Amodel and was designed by Kirby with the aid of NASA. Amodel is found in many places in the construction of the Space Shuttle. This new Amodel fan is almost indestructable and is 300% stronger than Kevlar. The new Amodel fan is not only Bullet proof, it is much stronger than the metal fans that were used in the older Kirby's. It is almost impossible to suck up something that will cause the new Amodel fans to break. The old Horror stories of "I sucked up a Nickel and busted the fan in my Kirby" can now be PUT TO BED! This will most likely never happen to any Kirby with an Amodel fan in it!


 


Hopefully these facts will help to dispell some of the myths of the Kirby Direct air system.


 
 
I was referring to Nick as he said he likes Dyson & the air is similar to it with the cyclones.

Everyone on this thread is trying to help with their experiences & if the subject goes off course just a bit there's no reason for everyone to get bent!

I am speaking for myself & all I want is the best for you with what resources you have to work with. If it means saving up for a better machine then have at it, if you can't wait then get what you will BUT just remember you get what you paid for!

This is like kids room on aol
 
"I have yet to pull that amount of dirt from my carpets in a year heck probably not even 5 years . How is that possible ? I barely get anything while vacuuming my carpets no matter what machine out of my 400 + collection"

My "supercharged" EXL Tristar with Ametek 115923 motor & green bristle HPO roller (removed from my Epic 6500SR) has pulled more dirt than that, regardless of which vacuum I use; & I vacuum daily

No wonder why I go thru bag after bag within a 2-week period when vacing with the EXL!

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Sebo_fan, yes, it's true that bagless vacuums can pull out lots of fluff from carpets. Another issue with bagless is that dust tends to collect on the OUTSIDE of the vacuum body.

Before Dyson came out, market research showed that people wouldn't be happy with a clear bin for the dust. James Dyson and his team decided to make a clear bin anyway. Now clear bins are everywhere, although they're not all made of the same plastics. My Dyson DC07's bin is made out of polycarbonate, which is a tough plastic that bounces back. My Hoover Windtunnel's dirt cup is made out of plastic that shatters.

Yes, many bagless machines expel dust back into the air, which is the reason why they smell. Now, some higher-end machines, like Dyson, Shark and Miele, utilize completely sealed systems that won't kick dust back into the air.

I don't think anybody read my first post, so here's how the test went:

1. I vacuumed the carpets with the Hoover Windtunnel.

2. I immediately went over the same areas with the Eureka AirSpeed.

3. The mountain of dust on the Eureka paper was what was left in the carpet AFTER using the Hoover.
 
My friend has owned essentially both models there you have. She tried the Hoover for a year, it frustrated her with her dust and hair plugging the cyclones or shroud? She had a Cheap basic Eureka before with washable filter, guess she likes washing it every time, she bought another at Wally, loves it, says it cleans better for her. Nothing specific, but she seems happy.
 
Well...

My Hoover Windtunnel is dual-cyclonic, similar to the Fantoms. Hoover's take on dual-cyclonic technology allows quantities of hair and fluff to pass through and eventually clog the pre-motor filter.

That Eureka is also dual-cyclonic, but Eureka's take on the technology allows lots of fine dust to clog the pre-motor filter.

However, I haven't noticed a decrease in suction with either of these machines.
 
Sebo guy,I see your point. I should've simply wrote that at no point in this conversation had I judged Niclonnic diffrently because of his preference of bagless! 
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In reply to your response, Nic in No. 36, bagged vacuums can suffer from dust OUTSIDE of the bag as well. I know my Hoover TTI based Vax VCU02 often has a line of dust on the floor head after a work out in my home.

I am not sure where you are getting your info from regarding a "clear bin for dust" - after all, several dust busters on the market were appearing on the market with clear plastic well before Dyson came to market. Yours truly had a rather faithful Black and Decker for many years, straight from the U.S - and ever since then I am still very faithful to that brand.

I also have the Dyson book, the first edition of the autobiography and Dyson points out that he did have a dark bin when the first bagless uprights appeared but consumers wanted a clear bin. Therefore the first couple of Dysons had dark acrylic as opposed to clear. Evidently you might have the same book if you are quoting polycarbonate versus shattering plastic.

Bagless vacs may expel dust back into the air but that is not why they smell! They smell because most owners don't give a thought to washing out the hose, or the other plastic parts where dust and oils from dirt get ingrained, sit on the machine and the moment air rushes past, takes the odour from it and puts it through the machine.

Even bagged vacuums that have no additional filters built in suffer from this. Those that have high filtration dust bags also suffer eventually if they are used in a home with pets. This is why the charcoal filter was invented - it absorbs the smells on the exhaust when fitted.

But when owners are in a home with pets, it is evident that the scent is hanging around because it is clinging to the bits of plastic that owners don't give much thought about cleaning out. I find this quite often with any second hand Miele parts, spares or even donor machines that may well have had an old charcoal based HEPA or AAC filter fitted to it for most of its life, but still stinks of old dog!
 
Bagless and bagged vacuums stink alike, it's not in the design as Sebo guy was saying. The worst is oil from pet hair, that can stick to hoses easily, and STAY there! Some oils can even engrave their 'scents' into cheaper plastics!


 


The clear dust bin goes all the way back to the 1940s. Rainbow invented it as a salesman's demonstration piece. Customers fell in love with the clear bin, and Rainbow started manufacturing all of their new models with clear bins.


 


Worse yet, Rainbow had cyclonic action before James Dyson was even born, all the way back in the 1930s! 
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Im confused - I thought I had already said that pet hair and associated oil sticks in the plastic.

Worse so, if the airflow has plenty of cracks, and bends on the way through the hose where hair and oil will congeal and stick. I think sometimes brands do that intentionally - make leaky seals - safe in the knowledge that household dust will plug the seals "with common use."
 
Interesting facts...

Sebo_fan, I've never used a bagged vacuum in my home, so I can't offer my thoughts on bagged vacuums.

I learned the clear bin information from Wikipedia. I looked up the Dyson company article, and that's where I got my information. This, in turn, came from an article called "A Clear Bin Policy" on www.jenkins.eu. I don't have the Dyson book, but I learned about polycarbonate vs. shattering plastic from Dyson's testing videos on Youtube.

Bagless vacuums do have lots of parts that will eventually smell, especially the filters. A single cyclonic bagless vacuum, such as the Bissell Powerforce Helix from Walmart, relies on filters to trap all the fine dust. Cleaning out said filters is a very messy job, since they're packed with dust!

As for charcoal filters, some Hoover vacuums, like my Hoover Windtunnel 2 Rewind Pet, have a HEPA filter with a layer of charcoal on its exhaust. That helps to get rid of pet odors. There is a rinsable pre-motor filter located above the dust cup, which gets clogged with hair quickly. When vacuuming floors, all the dirt travels through the hose, which when attached properly, has two bends and turns in the dirt path. This hose gets dust and grit stuck in it. I have to unclip the hose and stretch it out (with the vacuum running) to suck whatever's stuck in the hose into the dirt cup.

Super-sweeper, your facts seem like ancient history now! Bagless vacuums became popular in the early '90s. That was before I was born!

Here is a link to the "Clear Bin Policy" article.

http://www.jenkins.eu/mym-spring-2004/a-clear-bin-policy.asp
 
Sebo guy,I was reiterating what you had already said! 
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Don't DARE believe those Dyson videos. WHY would they put a video of their own machine failing on the internet? They simply cannot be actual lab tests. Mowing a Dyson over with a Plymouth Fury is a lab test, as long as it's not done by Dyson! It's the same case as that car company that smashed their ugly excuse of a SUV into a Chevrolet Bellaire. The Bellaire had its engine removed, it would never crumple the way it did if it had an engine. If Dysons can barely hold up in average consumer use, why on earth would somebody believe those videos? 


 


-End typical Dyson rant!- 


 


You're right, bagless exploded in the early 1990s with the introduction of the American Fantom and the British Dyson. The days of bagged vacuums became numbered, especially in Britain, where you weren't the talk of the town unless you had a Dyson! Fantom was a more 'Hey this is a cool vacuum but I'm going to buy this Hoover because it's cheaper' case. Fantom didn't send a death-note to bagged vacuums, but rather introduced both competition and new ideas. Soon after, Hoover did experimenting with bagless.first the bagless Elite tragedy, then in 1999, the infamous WindTunnel.Eureka soon jumped in with the Whirlwind, followed by Bissell's infamous Powerforce. Bagless had stolen the market, and bagged cleaners dwindled into smaller manufacturing numbers. Today the market is ruled by the dominance of bagless. Rather it's the Dyson 'Hey neighbor, take that! I just bought the DC238!' Crowd or the Wal-Mart vacuum isle. Where bagged uprights stood proud now stands imported status-symbols.


 


Ok class, that ends my speech for the day. Your Bagless History II quiz is next Friday! Have fun at lunch! 
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