Doesn't Cleva Make Kenmore Canisters now? They didn't fix this??

[vacuumdevil]

I didn't realize you had made a video of the Cleva models. I knew you had reviewed & made videos of the panasonic made canisters in the past. So then these are NOT sealed? Not only that, I didn't realize the hose was now FIXED in place. Wow. It's crazy how much these still look like the Panasonics. I'm personally not really in the market for a canister when I can mostly make an upright (with a hose) do the same thing a canister can do with an extension hose/ tools, etc. Hopefully in the future they will redesign that bag collar and put gaskets on the bags instead of the vacuum itself.

I think they are you going to contuse to to make the same thing over and over as long as it sells. It's still better then anything Target or Walmart sells .

 

[centralsweeper63]

Lots of manufactures re-use designs.

 

[cheesewonton]

I didn't realize you had made a video of the Cleva models. I knew you had reviewed & made videos of the panasonic made canisters in the past. So then these are NOT sealed? Not only that, I didn't realize the hose was now FIXED in place. Wow. It's crazy how much these still look like the Panasonics. I'm personally not really in the market for a canister when I can mostly make an upright (with a hose) do the same thing a canister can do with an extension hose/ tools, etc. Hopefully in the future they will redesign that bag collar and put gaskets on the bags instead of the vacuum itself.

The hose is not fixed. I have several modern Kenmores with that hose end. I have also made up custom hoses for some of my earlier Kenmore swivel hose models from the Premier, Whispertone and early Progressive series canister vacs. The hose swivels on the canister. But Kenmore replaced the former angled swivel with one that is straight up. Just like Miele uses. Why? Better airflow. The improvement is measurable. That hose end first showed up on the Kenmore Elite 800 Series 21814. I bought one used around 2009. For giggles I bought a second 800 series hose and put the old angled swivel on it. Easy enough to do. Same vacuum, same 8 foot long hose, just a different swivel. I can no longer remember the actual airflow values but the angled elbow definitely reduced airflow compared to the straight swivel. It was after that test that I made up some hoses for my other older Kennys with that hose end and it made a measurable improvement in airflow on all of them. Customer feedback however has led Kenmore to return to the angled elbow because it makes the canister easier to tow.

 

[cheesewonton]

I think they are you going to contuse to to make the same thing over and over as long as it sells. It's still better then anything Target or Walmart sells .

I've said it here before. I have an example of just about every Kenmore canister body since the late 1940s. I am missing a couple of round tanks they sold briefly sometime in the late 1950s or early 1960s but have at least one example of every other body ever made for Kenmore by Birtman, Singer, Whirlpool, Panasonic or Suzhou Cleva along with oddballs from Eureka and Sanyo. The 600 is the best made and best thought out canister vacuum Kenmore has ever sold. Yes I love my trusty old 1982 Kenmore Sears Best 4.1 but even with a modern motor used in Pro Team Supercoach backpack vacs and my home made expander cage it cannot begin to match the suction and airflow of the 600 Series. It's not even close. And the build quality of the 600 Series is better too. People get all misty eyed about the old veterans but when the attachment caddy is off the lid of that old Kenny you can watch the whole top of the lid flexing in if you pull any suction. And the front of the body is a separate piece from the rest of the body with a pretty crude seam where they are joined. P-R whines the 600's motor housing isn't sealed to his high standards but the old ones like that 1982 had almost no filtration to speak of. 1/16th inch of foam on the pre-motor filter ( non replaceable and it rots out with time ) after a thin paper bag then blow it all out a half dozen big seams in the back or out the cord opening with no after filtration. The plastics used by Suzhou Cleva are much nicer than what Panasonic or Whirlpool used and the lid hinges are better designed. It's not that squeaky hard stuff used before with hinges that would bind and threaten to break. Everything works smoothly. Lids click solidly when closed. The 600 Series is a darned good vacuum and for the price you can't do better.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I am inclined to believe you, though there is varying opinions.

 

[cheesewonton]

I am inclined to believe you, though there is varying opinions.

People are sort of safety wired to a negative position and believe every new whatever is worse than the ones that came before. Sometimes that is true but not always. Example, the third and final generation of the Progressive was pretty bad. No argument there. The 600 Series is everything that last Progressive wasn't. Before I bought a 600 Series, used it for a while and tested it I had been of the opinion the 700 and 800 Series Elite canisters were the best Kenmore canister vacs ever. But the 600 to my great surprise put the mighty Elite on the trailer for airflow. 47 cfm for the Elite vs 72 cfm for the 600 Series. No other vacuum I have matches the 600 Series for airflow. I was truly not expecting that. Those calcs are based on a measured 40mm hose opening which yields a surface area of 0.0134 square feet, 44 ft/min velocity measured for the Elite and 67 ft/min for the 600 with the product of airspeed and product of airspeed and surface area multiplied by the factor of 0.8 to compensate for how turbulent airflow is faster in the center of the airflow where my anemometer measures and slower at the outside walls. Using the same methodology my beloved old 1982 Sears Best 4.1 with its modern motor is generating around 34 cfm at the hose end. With the original motor the airflow is quite a bit less. So yes the 600 Series represents real progress.

 

[centralsweeper63]

The 4.1 is a Eureka made machine, I would say it doesn't really represent many Kenmore vacuums.

 

[cheesewonton]

The 4.1 is a Eureka made machine, I would say it doesn't really represent many Kenmore vacuums.

No, it is a Whirlpool product. You are thinking of the 1988 or 89 Kenmore Heavy Duty 3.9. That is basically a Eureka Ironsides with Kenmore branding. The 4.1 model number has a 116 manufacturers code and is the same body used on Sears Best models from 1974-1983, only without the on off pedal on the front. On the 1982 and 83 Sear Best 4.1 the on-off switch is on the hose handle. I have both vacuums.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Oop, sorry there fella.