suckolux
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its clean enough to be in my house today, after a day in the garage spa, happy as a clam, sounds great, and even better, smells nice NOW
Hoover Windtunnel vs Eureka AirSpeed
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joshdonnell
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If he likes bagless vacuums just let it be.
super-sweeper
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Where did you get the idea i was disproving his liking of bagless vacuums? we were talking about direct air V.S clean air, nothing more. there is such a thing as a direct air bagless vacuum if that's where you're getting this from!
marks_here
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Oh boy
As a shooter and occasionally-reloader-Shotgun shells are too big to enter the Kirby fan chamber.They will be stopped by the motor shaft.And make a loud noise as the shaft rubs against the head of the shell..22 ammo and handgun ammo COULD possibly enter the fan chamber-same with live primers.I do my utmost to keep live primers and ammo off the floor-(primers)they could go off if you stepped on one-makes a loud noise and could hurt your foot.My reloading press has a spent primer catch tray-they fall into this as you decap(removing the spent primer with the sizing die decapper pin)Then your shell is resized to be reloaded.The case expands when fired to fit the gun chamber.Resizing it brings the case back to orig factory specs.Then you can charge the case with powder-then seat the bullet.Yes,small cases and bullets can fall to the floor-they CAN break Kirby or other direct air fans.
But anyway still use my Kirbys-just be careful cleaning your reloading area!Small shotgun pellets aren't good for fans,either-if they get flattened and wedged between the fan blade and fancase-will break the fan-even a tiny shot pellet.Canisters will pick those up OK-non direct air.If the machine can pick up such a pellet-that is agood test.shot pellets are small but heavy.And I don't like vacuuming powder-it is flammable solid.
But anyway still use my Kirbys-just be careful cleaning your reloading area!Small shotgun pellets aren't good for fans,either-if they get flattened and wedged between the fan blade and fancase-will break the fan-even a tiny shot pellet.Canisters will pick those up OK-non direct air.If the machine can pick up such a pellet-that is agood test.shot pellets are small but heavy.And I don't like vacuuming powder-it is flammable solid.
sebo_fan
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There is no mention at all of "lets compare" never mind the first words uttering a comparison of direct air vs clean air, Super-sweeper and you know that. Your first response further up this thread mentions Kirby as outcleaning them both. Its a bagged vacuum as well. Go figure.
marks_here
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What still amazes me is how much dirt is coming out of those carpets. It's obvious that none of the vacuums there are working good. I have never pulled out anything close to that in my house even when I did use a bagless (I thought it wasn't working because very little was in the bin) after my Kirby (the bags lasted a long time & can be bought even at Walmart) & now with the central vacuum the bin is no where near needing to be empty & it's supposed to be done twice a year. Have you ever had those carpets steam cleaned?? Oh & I have a cat...a Maine coon with that said nothing like that filth coming up. I guess people are more messy then others, I'm not & I vacuum maybe once every 2 weeks, if I feel like it every week & live in the country, you all know how dirty things are here in the country.
sebo_fan
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Don't be confused by excess dust vs carpet piles.
The only problem I have had with bagless uprights is that brand new, even when they go over a floor that has just been cleaned with another vacuum, the only thing that gets pulled up is tufts of wool from the carpet. It makes me wonder whether a lot of buyers who become new owners don't realise that the tufts of coloured carpet are actual carpet and not actual dust.
Sellers adore the clear bin idea - they frown on the old selling method of examining what a new vacuum picks up over the old one - but more so since they no longer have to open up the magic cloth that used to show up the excess dirt.
I am not amazed by the dirt collected - simply put I would more amazed if the floor was untouched and left untouched over a set period of time before a new vacuum goes over it. If a vacuum cleaner test goes over carpet that is then walked over by shoes (even socks on feet leave dirt behind) as well as pets walking all over the place, doesn't surprise me that dust will settle.
Another thing that I have noticed is when I have taken videos with my own vacuums, whether or not they are NLOS bagless or bagged, dust hovers in the air and thanks to gravity settles back down on the carpet. Thus adding to the dust for the next vacuuming session later.
The only problem I have had with bagless uprights is that brand new, even when they go over a floor that has just been cleaned with another vacuum, the only thing that gets pulled up is tufts of wool from the carpet. It makes me wonder whether a lot of buyers who become new owners don't realise that the tufts of coloured carpet are actual carpet and not actual dust.
Sellers adore the clear bin idea - they frown on the old selling method of examining what a new vacuum picks up over the old one - but more so since they no longer have to open up the magic cloth that used to show up the excess dirt.
I am not amazed by the dirt collected - simply put I would more amazed if the floor was untouched and left untouched over a set period of time before a new vacuum goes over it. If a vacuum cleaner test goes over carpet that is then walked over by shoes (even socks on feet leave dirt behind) as well as pets walking all over the place, doesn't surprise me that dust will settle.
Another thing that I have noticed is when I have taken videos with my own vacuums, whether or not they are NLOS bagless or bagged, dust hovers in the air and thanks to gravity settles back down on the carpet. Thus adding to the dust for the next vacuuming session later.
marks_here
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I was just looking at the colour of the dust & filth & from past experience when it gets that colour it's time to steam clean the carpets. I do love my hoover spin scrub it does a great job & doesn't soak the carpet & no streaks, you should see what comes out of that mess...sand, guck, & other things I had no idea that were in there. I try to do them twice a year & so far have been getting by with once a year & this is light sea foam plush carpet.I am not trying to be mean, that's the farthest thing from my mind I was just wondering if the carpets were ever washed because that does play into how well & what the vacuum will pull up.
marks_here
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The bagless vacuum that I was using is a Hoover Windtunnel Air, it was a reconditioned unit (a lot cheaper) at biglots I figure it's bagless & cheap. Now I will say it did hold onto the carpet, has strong suction & the cones are different then the T-series which I also had but it lost suction really fast BUT the filter(s) were clean so I can say there is a big difference...try the windtunnel air & if you don't like it...take it back. It's set up like the thin Dyson which I know you like. Unlike the T-series you can hear the pitch tone gets higher as the filters clog with dust, the air doesn't & when I was finished vacuuming I would take the foam filter outside & clap it against my other had to see how much dust was in there....not a lot but there was some in there. The T-series, forget it that one you would have to wash after each use to keep the suction on it & also it had the green & red filter gauge to tell you when to clean it...that didn't work right either but from the time I turned it on the suction wasn't very good like the air model.
I have to say
It seems that every time I create a new thread in this forum, they drift off into other subjects. I first posted about a comparison between two budget bagless vacuums, then it turned into a discussion about Kirbys.
There is no denying that Kirbys are well made. I agree with you guys, they will out-clean other vacuums. The subject of this thread was to show which vacuum worked better, and the Eureka AirSpeed pulled out more dirt than the Hoover Windtunnel did. Sadly, I don't have the AirSpeed anymore.
It seems that every time I create a new thread in this forum, they drift off into other subjects. I first posted about a comparison between two budget bagless vacuums, then it turned into a discussion about Kirbys.
There is no denying that Kirbys are well made. I agree with you guys, they will out-clean other vacuums. The subject of this thread was to show which vacuum worked better, and the Eureka AirSpeed pulled out more dirt than the Hoover Windtunnel did. Sadly, I don't have the AirSpeed anymore.
sebo_fan
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You shouldn't get so het about other discussions niclonnic - it adds to the topic in question unless some members feel it is their right to talk about something completely different. But as you may see I tried to pull the topic back on course.
As you will see I have not strayed away from discussion about either the Eureka or the Hoover in the test photos you have provided, but it is good to discuss within that the content of the dust pick up.
Marks - were you referring to me about liking Dyson? I can't see anywhere in this thread where I have said I do. I did have the Vax version of the Windtunnel Air - and that has pretty strong force IMHO. That's where I discovered rolls of wool carpet coming up rather than actual dust.
Nic - In regard to your test it is easy to see "which vacuum cleaner cleans better" from the mountains of dust collected in each one, but surely its the Hoover that has picked up more from your photo, not the Airspeed?
What people should be doing to get an even fairer test is plopping said dust on a digital scale and measuring the weight of it. Then you'll get a closer idea of how much dust and stuff each vacuum picks up.
As you will see I have not strayed away from discussion about either the Eureka or the Hoover in the test photos you have provided, but it is good to discuss within that the content of the dust pick up.
Marks - were you referring to me about liking Dyson? I can't see anywhere in this thread where I have said I do. I did have the Vax version of the Windtunnel Air - and that has pretty strong force IMHO. That's where I discovered rolls of wool carpet coming up rather than actual dust.
Nic - In regard to your test it is easy to see "which vacuum cleaner cleans better" from the mountains of dust collected in each one, but surely its the Hoover that has picked up more from your photo, not the Airspeed?
What people should be doing to get an even fairer test is plopping said dust on a digital scale and measuring the weight of it. Then you'll get a closer idea of how much dust and stuff each vacuum picks up.
sptyks
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Let me dispell some myths about Kirby's direct air desig
Now everyone knows that the Kirby "Direct Air" system is the most effective carpet cleaning system there is, so let's dispell a couple of the negative attributes that many people believe about Kirby's.
First off, let's talk about the myth of bags. The Kirby bag is quite large and will take mutch longer to fill up than many bags in some "Bypass air" vacs which are quite small, fill quickly and very expensive as well. The Kirby HEPA bag can be had for as little as $3.00 each and can last from 6 months to a year whereas the small bypass air HEPA bags fill much more quickly and cost as much as $8.00 each. So it is a MYTH that the large Kirby HEPA bags are too inconvient and too expensive.
Now let's talk about the Kirby Direct air system. Any Kirby manufactured after 1997 has a fan made of an advanced polymer called Amodel and was designed by Kirby with the aid of NASA. Amodel is found in many places in the construction of the Space Shuttle. This new Amodel fan is almost indestructable and is 300% stronger than Kevlar. The new Amodel fan is not only Bullet proof, it is much stronger than the metal fans that were used in the older Kirby's. It is almost impossible to suck up something that will cause the new Amodel fans to break. The old Horror stories of "I sucked up a Nickel and busted the fan in my Kirby" can now be PUT TO BED! This will most likely never happen to any Kirby with an Amodel fan in it!
Hopefully these facts will help to dispell some of the myths of the Kirby Direct air system.
Now everyone knows that the Kirby "Direct Air" system is the most effective carpet cleaning system there is, so let's dispell a couple of the negative attributes that many people believe about Kirby's.
First off, let's talk about the myth of bags. The Kirby bag is quite large and will take mutch longer to fill up than many bags in some "Bypass air" vacs which are quite small, fill quickly and very expensive as well. The Kirby HEPA bag can be had for as little as $3.00 each and can last from 6 months to a year whereas the small bypass air HEPA bags fill much more quickly and cost as much as $8.00 each. So it is a MYTH that the large Kirby HEPA bags are too inconvient and too expensive.
Now let's talk about the Kirby Direct air system. Any Kirby manufactured after 1997 has a fan made of an advanced polymer called Amodel and was designed by Kirby with the aid of NASA. Amodel is found in many places in the construction of the Space Shuttle. This new Amodel fan is almost indestructable and is 300% stronger than Kevlar. The new Amodel fan is not only Bullet proof, it is much stronger than the metal fans that were used in the older Kirby's. It is almost impossible to suck up something that will cause the new Amodel fans to break. The old Horror stories of "I sucked up a Nickel and busted the fan in my Kirby" can now be PUT TO BED! This will most likely never happen to any Kirby with an Amodel fan in it!
Hopefully these facts will help to dispell some of the myths of the Kirby Direct air system.
marks_here
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I was referring to Nick as he said he likes Dyson & the air is similar to it with the cyclones.
Everyone on this thread is trying to help with their experiences & if the subject goes off course just a bit there's no reason for everyone to get bent!
I am speaking for myself & all I want is the best for you with what resources you have to work with. If it means saving up for a better machine then have at it, if you can't wait then get what you will BUT just remember you get what you paid for!
This is like kids room on aol
Everyone on this thread is trying to help with their experiences & if the subject goes off course just a bit there's no reason for everyone to get bent!
I am speaking for myself & all I want is the best for you with what resources you have to work with. If it means saving up for a better machine then have at it, if you can't wait then get what you will BUT just remember you get what you paid for!
This is like kids room on aol
kirbyloverdan
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I have yet
to pull that amount of dirt from my carpets in a year heck probably not even 5 years .
How is that possible ? I barely get anything while vacuuming my carpets no matter what machine out of my 400 + collection .
to pull that amount of dirt from my carpets in a year heck probably not even 5 years .
How is that possible ? I barely get anything while vacuuming my carpets no matter what machine out of my 400 + collection .
floor-a-matic
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"I have yet to pull that amount of dirt from my carpets in a year heck probably not even 5 years . How is that possible ? I barely get anything while vacuuming my carpets no matter what machine out of my 400 + collection"
My "supercharged" EXL Tristar with Ametek 115923 motor & green bristle HPO roller (removed from my Epic 6500SR) has pulled more dirt than that, regardless of which vacuum I use; & I vacuum daily
No wonder why I go thru bag after bag within a 2-week period when vacing with the EXL!
My "supercharged" EXL Tristar with Ametek 115923 motor & green bristle HPO roller (removed from my Epic 6500SR) has pulled more dirt than that, regardless of which vacuum I use; & I vacuum daily
No wonder why I go thru bag after bag within a 2-week period when vacing with the EXL!
kirbyloverdan
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Erik my carpets are
spotless I NEVER walk on them with shoes and neither do my guests so when you are not tracking in dirt I guess you can`t pull any dirt out even with you super powerful supercharged EXL .
Dan
spotless I NEVER walk on them with shoes and neither do my guests so when you are not tracking in dirt I guess you can`t pull any dirt out even with you super powerful supercharged EXL .
Dan
Sebo_fan, yes, it's true that bagless vacuums can pull out lots of fluff from carpets. Another issue with bagless is that dust tends to collect on the OUTSIDE of the vacuum body.
Before Dyson came out, market research showed that people wouldn't be happy with a clear bin for the dust. James Dyson and his team decided to make a clear bin anyway. Now clear bins are everywhere, although they're not all made of the same plastics. My Dyson DC07's bin is made out of polycarbonate, which is a tough plastic that bounces back. My Hoover Windtunnel's dirt cup is made out of plastic that shatters.
Yes, many bagless machines expel dust back into the air, which is the reason why they smell. Now, some higher-end machines, like Dyson, Shark and Miele, utilize completely sealed systems that won't kick dust back into the air.
I don't think anybody read my first post, so here's how the test went:
1. I vacuumed the carpets with the Hoover Windtunnel.
2. I immediately went over the same areas with the Eureka AirSpeed.
3. The mountain of dust on the Eureka paper was what was left in the carpet AFTER using the Hoover.
Before Dyson came out, market research showed that people wouldn't be happy with a clear bin for the dust. James Dyson and his team decided to make a clear bin anyway. Now clear bins are everywhere, although they're not all made of the same plastics. My Dyson DC07's bin is made out of polycarbonate, which is a tough plastic that bounces back. My Hoover Windtunnel's dirt cup is made out of plastic that shatters.
Yes, many bagless machines expel dust back into the air, which is the reason why they smell. Now, some higher-end machines, like Dyson, Shark and Miele, utilize completely sealed systems that won't kick dust back into the air.
I don't think anybody read my first post, so here's how the test went:
1. I vacuumed the carpets with the Hoover Windtunnel.
2. I immediately went over the same areas with the Eureka AirSpeed.
3. The mountain of dust on the Eureka paper was what was left in the carpet AFTER using the Hoover.
suckolux
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My friend has owned essentially both models there you have. She tried the Hoover for a year, it frustrated her with her dust and hair plugging the cyclones or shroud? She had a Cheap basic Eureka before with washable filter, guess she likes washing it every time, she bought another at Wally, loves it, says it cleans better for her. Nothing specific, but she seems happy.
Well...
My Hoover Windtunnel is dual-cyclonic, similar to the Fantoms. Hoover's take on dual-cyclonic technology allows quantities of hair and fluff to pass through and eventually clog the pre-motor filter.
That Eureka is also dual-cyclonic, but Eureka's take on the technology allows lots of fine dust to clog the pre-motor filter.
However, I haven't noticed a decrease in suction with either of these machines.
My Hoover Windtunnel is dual-cyclonic, similar to the Fantoms. Hoover's take on dual-cyclonic technology allows quantities of hair and fluff to pass through and eventually clog the pre-motor filter.
That Eureka is also dual-cyclonic, but Eureka's take on the technology allows lots of fine dust to clog the pre-motor filter.
However, I haven't noticed a decrease in suction with either of these machines.
