Dyson Piston

[cheesewonton]

Cheesewonton critisized Samsung (at least I think he did) for having different types of necks.

Not so much a criticism as an observation that Samsung did something different and that makes it impossible to use anything not specifically designed for Samsungs. Their wands are a non-standard diameter and they fit upside down with the button lock on top. That means the hose end is female and an oddball size. Good luck finding attachments that fit! It limits what you can use for a power nozzle too. None of that would be a problem if Samsung still supported those older vacuums with spares, but they don't. It's a shame too because something like a Samsung Quiet Jet is an outstanding canister vacuum.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Not sure i'm a fan of how the V16 empties the bin, at least in this example at 2:41.

I've found it much better at emptying than the earlier point and shoot design. That video has seemingly cherry picked very unusual or contrived situations to present that I've never been able to reproduce. The testing is also highly misleading and unrepresentative of real-world experience. I'm tempted to so a pre-review video exposing the common deceptions I'm noticing when people review this machine.

Panasonic was selling theirs in Japan as a power nozzle for one of their Japan market canister vacuums before Dyson introduced the fluffy cone thing. Panasonic maybe had to get patents globally to sell outside Japan or to sell it with a stick vac since the idea originated with a canister power nozzle but I had one in 2019 right before the Pandemic and that predates both companies western patents.

You're repeating old statements resolved in links in the previous comment.

Real life hands on experience with the actual hardware. Something tiddlywinks V-F should have more of.

You realise how silly and hypocritical this comment looks, right. People can look at the experience I've had with different machines on my channel and make their own minds up.

 

[centralsweeper63]

He means fixxing vacuums.

 

[herbicide]

You realise how silly and hypocritical this comment looks, right. People can look at the experience I've had with different machines on my channel and make their own minds up.

And what does your like/dislike ratio look like? How about criticisms versus support statements?

How does the polls on this website fare for Dyson?

Seems like the “people” have made their minds up.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Yes, Dyson has once again been proven unpopular on this "echo chamber of ignorence".

 

[cheesewonton]

I've found it much better at emptying than the earlier point and shoot design. That video has seemingly cherry picked very unusual or contrived situations to present that I've never been able to reproduce. The testing is also highly misleading and unrepresentative of real-world experience. I'm tempted to so a pre-review video exposing the common deceptions I'm noticing when people review this machine.


You're repeating old statements resolved in links in the previous comment.


You realise how silly and hypocritical this comment looks, right. People can look at the experience I've had with different machines on my channel and make their own minds up.

You didn't resolve them. All you did was basically call me a liar. I had the Panasonic nozzle in my hands in the US in 2019. It was already in production and being sold in Japan where I bought it.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I believe CheeseWonton.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

You didn't resolve them. All you did was basically call me a liar. I had the Panasonic nozzle in my hands in the US in 2019. It was already in production and being sold in Japan where I bought it.

You were unable to provide any evidence to support your claim that Panasonic invented the concept and Dyson stole it, when all the evidence supported the contrary. And now you even seem to have forgotten the important details of the debate itself. Figures.

 

[cheesewonton]

You were unable to provide any evidence to support your claim that Panasonic invented the concept and Dyson stole it, when all the evidence supported the contrary. And now you even seem to have forgotten the important details of the debate itself. Figures.

Ever hear or see the term "patent pending"? You see that on lots of old US appliances. The product is in production and for sale to the public but the patent application and issuance are still working their way through the various patent offices. Patent(s) haven't been issued but the product is for sale. All I know Is I had one in my hands in 2019 before the pandemic shut down shipping small packages from Japan to the US.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Patent pending, that is quite an important detail. I hadn't thought of that.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Ever hear or see the term "patent pending"? You see that on lots of old US appliances. The product is in production and for sale to the public but the patent application and issuance are still working their way through the various patent offices. Patent(s) haven't been issued but the product is for sale. All I know Is I had one in my hands in 2019 before the pandemic shut down shipping small packages from Japan to the US.

This is such an irrelevant thing to say because, if you'd looked at the evidence provided for you, you'd see there was no evidence any patents were pending, and the Panasonic patents ALL post-date Dyson's. If all you knew is you 'had one in your hands in 2019', many years after Dyson's patents, then you were even more unjustified in making the utterly absurd claim Panasonic invented the technology. Repeating what had been concluded confidently earlier: you have no case, have spouted falsehoods in a manner consistent with those that mislead that I've criticised on my channel, and have permanently tarnished your credibility here and with me. The record of anti-Dyson propaganda is here for people to read and make their own decisions in the future. Equally poor is the support by others for a position wholly counter to evidence. Very revealing and people can make their own conclusions about respectability on factual matters going forward.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I don't mind one mistake. My reputation is gone with you, though I know that I don't mind.

 

[herbicide]

This is such an irrelevant thing to say because, if you'd looked at the evidence provided for you, you'd see there was no evidence any patents were pending, and the Panasonic patents ALL post-date Dyson's. If all you knew is you 'had one in your hands in 2019', many years after Dyson's patents, then you were even more unjustified in making the utterly absurd claim Panasonic invented the technology. Repeating what had been concluded confidently earlier: you have no case, have spouted falsehoods in a manner consistent with those that mislead that I've criticised on my channel, and have permanently tarnished your credibility here and with me. The record of anti-Dyson propaganda is here for people to read and make their own decisions in the future. Equally poor is the support by others for a position wholly counter to evidence. Very revealing and people can make their own conclusions about respectability on factual matters going forward.

How is all this bearing out for you:

people to read and make their own decisions in the future.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Yeah, um, people need to make their own decisions that are influinced by VacuumFacts.

 

[cheesewonton]

This is such an irrelevant thing to say because, if you'd looked at the evidence provided for you, you'd see there was no evidence any patents were pending, and the Panasonic patents ALL post-date Dyson's. If all you knew is you 'had one in your hands in 2019', many years after Dyson's patents, then you were even more unjustified in making the utterly absurd claim Panasonic invented the technology. Repeating what had been concluded confidently earlier: you have no case, have spouted falsehoods in a manner consistent with those that mislead that I've criticised on my channel, and have permanently tarnished your credibility here and with me. The record of anti-Dyson propaganda is here for people to read and make their own decisions in the future. Equally poor is the support by others for a position wholly counter to evidence. Very revealing and people can make their own conclusions about respectability on factual matters going forward.

Whatever. I had the hardware in hand in 2019.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Such a fight.

 

[cheesewonton]

Such a fight.

Sigh. Like I always say, hire the young while they still know everything.

 

[centralsweeper63]

How do you mean?

 

[huskyvacs]

Sigh. Like I always say, hire the young while they still know everything.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Good clip.

 

[Follettolover]

Seems that fluffy head it’s going to be released for the v16 next with the station

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I think both the fluffy head and the station are false economies. The empty station is an unnecessary product that Dyson clearly feel—by definition of joining late rather than pioneering—they need to release to satisfy the illusion that other manufacturers have created that they're necessary or beneficial in some way. If you do your products right, they're not. Unfortunately, people are mostly unthinking, according to observation, and seem to feel if it's useful and compensatory for a weak copycat product, then that applies to all, and any that lack it are now weaker. The irony of broken logic and faulty thinking. Now we have a race for pointless and unnecessary empty stations. The fluffy head has always been superseded by the single all-floors head design for real-world mess levels. I've never seen any convicing objective evidence otherwise and only vague subjective anecdotes of personal preferences, which confirms it.

 

[Follettolover]

I think both the fluffy head and the station are false economies. The empty station is an unnecessary product that Dyson clearly feel—by definition of joining late rather than pioneering—they need to release to satisfy the illusion that other manufacturers have created that they're necessary or beneficial in some way. If you do your products right, they're not. Unfortunately, people are mostly unthinking, according to observation, and seem to feel if it's useful and compensatory for a weak copycat product, then that applies to all, and any that lack it are now weaker. The irony of broken logic and faulty thinking. Now we have a race for pointless and unnecessary empty stations. The fluffy head has always been superseded by the single all-floors head design for real-world mess levels. I've never seen any convicing objective evidence otherwise and only vague subjective anecdotes of personal preferences, which confirms it.

I personally prefer the fluffy head over the anti tangle comb because my floors are very glossy, reminds me the old vorwerk floor buffer vacuum that my grandma used for polish the floors with the Wax! I think it’s just a matter of habits! But the other one is cool too; for the station I think it’s just an excuse to let the people clean betters the cyclone area, I’ve never had problems with clogging cyclones but many people for lack of Maintenance has idk, for me it’s pretty useless

 

[herbicide]

I think both the fluffy head and the station are false economies. The empty station is an unnecessary product that Dyson clearly feel—by definition of joining late rather than pioneering—they need to release to satisfy the illusion that other manufacturers have created that they're necessary or beneficial in some way. If you do your products right, they're not. Unfortunately, people are mostly unthinking, according to observation, and seem to feel if it's useful and compensatory for a weak copycat product, then that applies to all, and any that lack it are now weaker. The irony of broken logic and faulty thinking. Now we have a race for pointless and unnecessary empty stations. The fluffy head has always been superseded by the single all-floors head design for real-world mess levels. I've never seen any convicing objective evidence otherwise and only vague subjective anecdotes of personal preferences, which confirms it.

Once again veiled insults for those who have different experiences, observations, and opinions from yourself. I ask yet again, what makes your experiences, observations, and opinions "objective evidence" and not "vague subjective anecdotes," where everyone else's are immediately deemed "vague subjective anecdotes."

I notice better hard floor performance with the fluffy head on compared to the 'multifloor' V15 head.
-It picks up (sucks) visible debris like pet hair further away from the cleaner head. No scientific evidence needed, I can see this with my eyes.
-It front edge cleans better when pushed into walls/trim etc. No scientific evidence needed, I can see this with my eyes.
-It is also usable on light low pile area rugs, where the multifloor head is not (it jams up no matter the leak gate & machine settings).

 

[vac14012]

I'm curious how the base station is going to actually work. The picture I saw when the v16 was first announced made it look like a big piece of furniture.

Is it going to be its own vacuum with filters and such? If so that's just another thing to clean and maintain.

Overall they seem rather pointless in my personal opinion. I see no difference between emptying into the garbage or emptying into the station. You're not gaining anything.

You could argue it would empty and clean the bin better but then you just have to empty and clean the other bin anyway. It's turtles all the way down.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I like how easy it is to push the fluffyrollers head on hardfloors compared to the standard head.

 

[Follettolover]

I like how easy it is to push the fluffyrollers head on hardfloors compared to the standard head.

Fluffy cones of pencilvac seems even better, they described the head like it floating on the floor, I hope someday we’ll see a similar version for the standard models (maybe a slimmer version of it)

 

[cheesewonton]

I haven't watched the movie, so did the kid eventually straighten up?

 

[huskyvacs]

I haven't watched the movie, so did the kid eventually straighten up?

Yep! He graduated! He just needed an authority figure in his life and some discipline.