Dyson Piston

[herbicide]

This was pathetically weak evidence attempting to formally and convincingly quantify any meaningful difference between an 'american' carpet and any other found elsewhere on the planet. I remain wholly unconvinced the term is anything other than an indicator of sources of nonsense.

Once again an honest response to a dishonest question results into veiled insults from the self-appointed vacuum god.

But if you are really interested in honest intellectual debate, we have shown you ours (USA), you can show us yours for comparison.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

But if you are really interested in honest intellectual debate, we have shown you ours (USA), you can show us yours for comparison.

You have shown nothing convincing to support your claim 'american' carpets are different, which is being used to poo-poo evidence and data you don't want to be true. Showing a mere photo of one carpet is less than I'd expect a child to provide as a response. At the very minimum, I'd expect a thorough investigation showing the wide range of carpets and their properties from both the US and then elsewhere around the world to clearly quantify aerodynamically relevant differences exist in statistically significant samples. Then some empirical evidence conducted professionally to confirm these differences are relevant and directly affect conclusions from like-testing. In other words, do some actual work to produce something respectable and believable. No one intelligent who isn't gullible has any reason to believe your claim. The onus is on YOU to do this if you wish to support your claim and appear respectable now and going forward. I've no hope, especially with that kind of response you gave. o_o

 

[herbicide]

You have shown nothing convincing to support your claim 'american' carpets are different, which is being used to poo-poo evidence and data you don't want to be true. Showing a photo of one carpet is less than I'd expect a child to provide as a response. At the very minimum, I'd expect a thorough investigation showing the wide range of carpets and their properties from both the US and then elsewhere around the world to clearly quantify aerodynamically relevant differences exist in statistically significant samples. Then some empirical evidence conducted professionally to confirm these differences are relevant and directly affect conclusions from like-testing. In other words, do some actual work to produce something respectable and believable. No one intelligent who isn't gullible has any reason to believe your claim. The onus is on YOU to do this if you wish to support your claim and appear respectable now and going forward. I've no hope, especially with that kind of response you gave. o_o

I am not claiming they are different. I simply provide an example of a "typical" USA carpet. I have no idea what a typical UK carpet consists of.

Where is this evidence from all your "thorough investigations" that you demand from others? You don't provide anything of the sort yet you expect demand this behavior from others. (well you may 'claim' that you do). In your own words:
(Quote below from starting approximately 7:18)

"I've said countless times in my videos factual claims of this nature are easy to make but you must have evidence to back them up because if someone calls you out you'll not be able to defend yourself"

All this does is reinforce my hypothesis (ie provide more evidence) that you are simply a shill for Dyson.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I am not claiming they are different. I simply provide an example of a "typical" USA carpet.

Then you've wasted everyone's time and not made yourself looked good because no one asked for a "typical" USA carpet. You're getting more attention than is warranted.

 

[rlsellman21]

ha, it's so obviously absurd that most of these comments can be ignored to avoid feeding the trolls. The problem with this place is it's full of bad actors that make untruthful claims they never back up with evidence whilst simultaneously denying and poo-pooing the evidence provided for them that conflicts with their wonky worldview. It's why it's generally dead, sadly.

I'd love to see some strong evidence showing there's some difference between an "american" carpet (which has not been defined in a manner that commands any respect on here so far, naturally) and any other carpet, given that the range is so wide, regardless. It's so obviously a dumb and nonsensical label. Of course, the proponents of such silly terms will never provide any because they're too busy denying and smearing facts that are easily checkable.

American carpets tend to be thicker and deeper pile wise, whereas British carpets are very short pile, kinda like commercial carpeting you see in offices and other professional settings.

 

[herbicide]

Then you've wasted everyone's time and not made yourself looked good because no one asked for a "typical" USA carpet. You're getting more attention than is warranted.

Then by all means put me back on your blocked list.

But really? You didn't state this?

I'd love to see some strong evidence showing there's some difference between an "american" carpet (which has not been defined in a manner that commands any respect on here so far, naturally) and any other carpet, given that the range is so wide, regardless. It's so obviously a dumb and nonsensical label. Of course, the proponents of such silly terms will never provide any because they're too busy denying and smearing facts that are easily checkable.

I provide "evidence" on what a typical USA carpet is like, and as I should have known, I would be berated and insulted for doing so.

Note no claims are made if it is different than what 'you' typically encounter in the UK. I have never been there (However, I have been on the EU continent more times than I can count). But since you continue to choose to be difficult on the matter, I will do some admittedly quick and very unscientific research to see what I find.

From a simple google search of "carpets in UK" and pick this link (2nd in my search results FYI) https://carpetwarehouse.co.uk/collections/carpets

Search results from "page 1" of their website:

-Eleven (11) of these on page one are either 7mm or 6mm pile
-One (1) of these on page one is 14mm pile
Now by no means is this scientific research, but it is telling that out of these '12' examples of what can reasonably assumed to be leading sellers (afterall they are on page one of this known vendor..) that 11 out of the 12 are significantly lower pile carpets than what is 'typically' found in a USA household.

Any "evidence" that counters what I have posted is very welcome; I cannot state enough that the above is very unscientific.

Now I make no factual claims that a 6-7mm pile carpet is going to behave "aerodynamically different" in terms of a vacuum cleaner than a ~13mm pile carpet, I will let the "audience" draw their own conclusions in those regards.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

American carpets tend to be thicker and deeper pile wise, whereas British carpets are very short pile, kinda like commercial carpeting you see in offices and other professional settings.

I've seen no evidence to show this is a universally true statement. Happy to receive the evidence. No reason why this should affect a relative comparison either. I test on the same thick pile carpet (20+ mm). There are such a wide range of carpet types and these obviously exist universally. This is also why industry standards do what they do to account for this (people can go read if they're interested in details). There is no such thing as an "american" carpet as absurdly claimed earlier. There is just carpet and they're all different. The key differences are covered in my lecture video associated with how they affect relevant aerodynamic factors for anyone genuinely interested in avoiding being misled.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

@herbicide, your argument is really weak. Pretty sure you've only watched the lecture a few times at most, whereas I have watched it for not only at least a dozen of time already (counting my lost YouTube channel(s)), I had to constantly correct the Google Gemini 2.5 Pro because I knew the AI could get things wrong. Here's my educated guess: https://g.co/gemini/share/796252b11ab7

[...] The modification is to block the data communication pins between the wand and the main body, while still allowing the power pins to connect.
- The method: The connector between the wand and the V16 body has large pins for power (to drive the head's motor) and small pins for data (for identification). The fix is to use a small piece of non-conductive tape to cover only the small data pins.
- The result:
+ The V16 body turns on.
+ It sends power to the wand, and the Piston head's motor spins (it's receiving power).
+ However, the V16 body's data request gets no reply (the pins are blocked). The firmware now faces an unhandled exception: It has a powered head (it can feel the electrical draw) but no ID.
+ It does not default to the [450W] limit (it doesn't see the Piston head).
+ It does not default to the [Tool] limit (it knows a powered head is attached, not a non-powered tool).
+ With no specific "throttle" command to execute, the firmware defaults to its absolute maximum, uncapped hardware profile.
[...]

@Vacuum Facts, the problem is most likely due to the data pins accepting oversight-inflicted BS that drastically reduced the deep cleaning performance of the otherwise legendary V16. The solution appears to be blocking the data pins with a small non-conductive tape, while keeping the power pins intact. It may be done in the dual-cones floorhead or the wand itself, and it probably wouldn't be affecting the functionality of anything the head offers (if your mentions of your findings are any indication at least).

 

[herbicide]

@herbicide, your argument is really weak.

Which argument?

 

[herbicide]

I've seen no evidence to show this is a universally true statement. Happy to receive the evidence. No reason why this should affect a relative comparison either. I test on the same thick pile carpet (20+ mm). There are such a wide range of carpet types and these obviously exist universally. This is also why industry standards do what they do to account for this (people can go read if they're interested in details). There is no such thing as an "american" carpet as absurdly claimed earlier. There is just carpet and they're all different. The key differences are covered in my lecture video associated with how they affect relevant aerodynamic factors for anyone genuinely interested in avoiding being misled.

Where is anyone claiming a "universally true" statement, besides yourself of course?

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

Which argument?

These.

American carpets tend to be thicker and deeper pile wise, whereas British carpets are very short pile, kinda like commercial carpeting you see in offices and other professional settings.

I provide "evidence" on what a typical USA carpet is like, and as I should have known, I would be berated and insulted for doing so.

Note no claims are made if it is different than what 'you' typically encounter in the UK. I have never been there (However, I have been on the EU continent more times than I can count). But since you continue to choose to be difficult on the matter, I will do some admittedly quick and very unscientific research to see what I find.

 

[herbicide]

These.

So, once again, we are all expected to take VF word as gospel, but any other form of evidence is hogwash.

Even if this carpet isn’t more common in the USA, which I can assure you that it is, Dyson’s V15 struggles compared to other machines.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I just thought I would say, one year dyson lifespans was an overexaduration, I usually see them last a "terrific" 4-5 years with the cordless machines.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I just thought I would say, one year dyson lifespans was an overexaduration, I usually see them last a "terrific" 4-5 years with the cordless machines.

I'd love to see the statistically significant data you've used to draw that conclusion, respectably—distinct from some cowboy-like claim based on feelings and no real objective data whatsoever.

Here's a single datapoint for you: I had a DC35 for over 7 years—the longest I CHOSE to keep a model before upgrading to be able to provide reviews—and it was literally as new, including battery life. Easily could have continued using it for twice as long at least. But I guess we'll ignore that...doesn't fit with the myths spread by a few bad actors out there in the internet cesspool.

 

[herbicide]

I'd love to see the statistically significant data you've used to draw that conclusion, respectably—distinct from some cowboy-like claim based on feelings and no real objective data whatsoever.

Here's a single datapoint for you: I had a DC35 for over 7 years—the longest I CHOSE to keep a model before upgrading to be able to provide reviews—and it was literally as new, including battery life. Easily could have continued using it for twice as long at least. But I guess we'll ignore that...doesn't fit with the myths spread by a few bad actors out there in the internet cesspool.

Your experience isn’t “statistically significant.”

 

[centralsweeper63]

Ok, I fix vacuums in low-ish numbers so I don't have a massive data base. I will not leave out any machines to draw false conclusions.

Dysons: one v11 that lasted 3 years and died of corrosion at the pin jacks around the floor tool, one V10 that lasted 4 years and had about a cup of dust and cat hair in the cyclone system (it also had a broken trigger), v6 with a bad battery after 4.5 years ( also broke a floor tool) and v7 with a bad battery after 3.5 years (also broke a floortool). Thatis all the dysons I have had experience with. I excluded the dc08 with a bad motor though, also the dc50 which was broken in about 3-4 ways, oh and also the dc15 with a broken chasis. All of these cordless machines, except the v10, were in my family and taken care of properly. The other broken machines I have seen are as follows: electrolux d745with a bad motor after 31 years of daily use, 2x tellus turbos with bad carbon brushes after very heavy use every day for 40 years, 3x mieles with board failures, miele with a bag installed wrong, husqvarna q260 with a bad motor after 30 years of regular use, electrolux turbocyclone with a bad motor after 5 years and 2x electrolux ergorapidos wth bad batterys after 10 years.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Ok, I fix vacuums in low-ish numbers so I don't have a massive data base. I will not leave out any machines to draw false conclusions.

Dysons: one v11 that lasted 3 years and died of corrosion at the pin jacks around the floor tool, one V10 that lasted 4 years and had about a cup of dust and cat hair in the cyclone system (it also had a broken trigger), v6 with a bad battery after 4.5 years ( also broke a floor tool) and v7 with a bad battery after 3.5 years (also broke a floortool). Thatis all the dysons I have had experience with. I excluded the dc08 with a bad motor though, also the dc50 which was broken in about 3-4 ways, oh and also the dc15 with a broken chasis. All of these cordless machines, except the v10, were in my family and taken care of properly. The other broken machines I have seen are as follows: electrolux d745with a bad motor after 31 years of daily use, 2x tellus turbos with bad carbon brushes after very heavy use every day for 40 years, 3x mieles with board failures, miele with a bag installed wrong, husqvarna q260 with a bad motor after 30 years of regular use, electrolux turbocyclone with a bad motor after 5 years and 2x electrolux ergorapidos wth bad batterys after 10 years.

Thanks for confirming what I suspected. The statement was not based on sufficient evidence to be credible and is no different to a subjective opinion.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Alright then, how many machines do you need.

 

[cheesewonton]

Alright then, how many machines do you need.

I'm laughing and shaking my head because V-F has no hands on repairing and servicing vacuums and no hands on with vacuums from brands like Sebo, Miele, Lux International or Electrolux AB, Bosch, Lindhaus, Faker, Sattrap or any of the brands sold in North America like Eureka, Bissell, Sanitaire, Aerus, Cirrus, Titan or Kenmore. But he can dismiss with a wave of the hand any knowledge someone else brings to the table as automatically insufficient. That is arrogance at its worst.

 

[cheesewonton]

I'm laughing and shaking my head because V-F has no hands on repairing and servicing vacuums and no hands on with vacuums from brands like Sebo, Miele, Lux International or Electrolux AB, Bosch, Lindhaus, Faker, Sattrap or any of the brands sold in North America like Eureka, Bissell, Sanitaire, Aerus, Cirrus, Titan or Kenmore. But he can dismiss with a wave of the hand any knowledge someone else brings to the table as automatically insufficient. That is arrogance at its worst. There are people on this site who own or have owned vacuum shops, worked as vacuum shop techs and even worked directly for a company making vacuums, but they by his august standards know nothing about vacuums.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I agree.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Alright then, how many machines do you need.

To be convincing and respectable, you should understand the level of statistically significant data you need and provide the study and data to support your claim. You have simply failed to do that, allowing anyone who understands anything about the real world to determine that your factual claim was nothing more than a subjective feeling masquerading as a truth. This resulted directly in the total loss of credibility and confidence in your output going forward. That's unfortunate for you but is entirely your own doing.

 

[herbicide]

To be convincing and respectable, you should understand the level of statistically significant data you need and provide the study and data to support your claim. You have simply failed to do that, allowing anyone who understands anything about the real world to determine that your factual claim was nothing more than a subjective feeling masquerading as a truth. This resulted directly in the total loss of credibility and confidence in your output going forward. That's unfortunate for you but is entirely your own doing.

Let’s apply your standards to your tests then shall we?

Because when we do, they are nothing more than

a subjective feeling masquerading as a truth.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Let’s apply your standards to your tests then shall we?

Notice the total lack of specific detail and clear, focussed example of a factual claim from my channel not backed up by the evidence. The specific tests, the specific data, why it's apples-to-apples in context of the previous comment. All absent. All vague. All run-of-the-mill smear. People can review my channel, the claims made, and the data supporting them for themselves and make up their own minds without petty projections in the form of unconstructive, vague hate waffle.

 

[herbicide]

Notice the total lack of specific detail and clear, focussed example of a factual claim from my channel not backed up by the evidence. The specific tests, the specific data, why it's apples-to-apples in context of the previous comment. All absent. All vague. All run-of-the-mill smear. People can review my channel, the claims made, and the data supporting them for themselves and make up their own minds without petty projections in the form of unconstructive, vague hate waffle.

Essentially all of what you claim. Your tests/results/conclusions (ahem, "facts") are not generated from scientific study, but any thought, opinion, test result, comment, observation that disagrees with you must absolutely be rock solid scientifically vetted.

See the double standard there?

 

[vac14012]

The V15 motorbar head can definitely clamp down on different types of carpets. In my experience mostly area rugs without any backing or very thick carpets. I have one particular small area rug that even on Eco and all the gates open it's just not possible.

There's just no airflow between the floor, rug, and vacuum so it just clamps and refuses to move.

The Gen5 I would assume is even worse since it has more air watts and the same motorbar head.

The older accordion style heads that was on a lot of the Ball Vacuums also had that problem. At least in America as they never got any suction gates like UK did.

 

[centralsweeper63]

How manybroken Dysons do you need?

 

[herbicide]

Notice the total lack of specific detail and clear, focussed example of a factual claim from my channel not backed up by the evidence. The specific tests, the specific data, why it's apples-to-apples in context of the previous comment. All absent. All vague. All run-of-the-mill smear. People can review my channel, the claims made, and the data supporting them for themselves and make up their own minds without petty projections in the form of unconstructive, vague hate waffle.

I would love to find one of your "factual claims" that fit the bill, but you ask an impossible task because none such exists.

Show me ONE case that you've done a notated, statistically significant sample size test, and all the other stuff you demand from others, that justifies your claims. Just one please, that fits the bill that you demand from others. Just one please.

 

[centralsweeper63]

VacuumFacts is very hypocritical in my eyes. I say this as he does what he ridicules others for saying.