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I assume you had a point but it's just trolling nonsense. There's nothing wrong with my behaviour. You just don't like being at the receiving end of a spade being called a spade. And you're off topic, yet again. If you've nothing to add directly to the original thread topic, please don't comment again.
 
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I assume you had a point but it's just trolling nonsense. There's nothing wrong with my behaviour. You just don't like being at the receiving end of a spade being called a spade. And you're off topic, yet again. If you've nothing to add directly to the original thread topic, please don't comment again.
You just can’t help yourself.

But I’ll make a deal with you. If you show actual receipts for your claims and conclusions, I won’t challenge you to do so.
 
This is a common troll tactic. Say something elsewhere that's antaonistic, logically inconsistent, and ridiculous, wait for a free response that calls a spade a spade, then cherrypick that person pointing this out to misleadingly suggest constitutes 'poor behaviour'. It's crude goading and the best of us are very familiar with it. This is yet more off-topic witch-hunting that has no place here. I appreciate you're stung @herbicide and @Hatsuwr, but if you don't like having your comments responded to openly on my channel, then don't comment there. You've wilfully gone off topic here to attack in a contrived and deceitful way multiple times now without adding any value to the thread topic. Second request to please stay on topic and can the faux witch-hunting.@
The hits keep coming!

Let’s not forget you asked for examples of this behavior. You asked in this very thread.

So, now both asking for evidence on your claims and also directly answering (ahem providing evidence) gets one called a troll amongst many other things.
I assume you had a point but it's just trolling nonsense. There's nothing wrong with my behaviour. You just don't like being at the receiving end of a spade being called a spade. And you're off topic, yet again. If you've nothing to add directly to the original thread topic, please don't comment again.
You just can’t help yourself.

But I’ll make a deal with you. If you show actual receipts for your claims and conclusions, I won’t challenge you to do so.
I guess I should remember the advice from forums of old: don't feed the troll. Welcome to the ignore list. Population: you.
@herbicide now you know what happens when one managed to feed the troll. Your unhelpful take p1553d people like @Vacuum Facts off.

If anyone are still owning a V16 Piston Animal (whether it be normal model or the Submarine one with that rolling mop head), tell me and @Vacuum Facts himself. Also:
 

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The irony is that this review didn't recognise the real problems with this machine or understand exactly why the V16 performs worse than its predecessor out of the box (or how to fix).
Why is anybody supposed to guess why a new product performs worse and why would they try to fix it? That sounds like something a QA team could investigate.
The V16 is great if you fix the actual issue with it.
So are many products that release with critical issues lol
 
Why is anybody supposed to guess why a new product performs worse and why would they try to fix it? That sounds like something a QA team could investigate.
The reviewers should have smartly figured it all out, but none have, which to me shows they don't really know what they're talking about, they don't understand things, and can only give a cosmetic review at best, which isn't really valuable. The V16, the new technologies within it, and its cock-ups, are a rare opportunity to quantify the value of the reviews out there.
 
The reviewers should have smartly figured it all out, but none have, which to me shows they don't really know what they're talking about, they don't understand things, and can only give a cosmetic review at best, which isn't really valuable. The V16, the new technologies within it, and its cock-ups, are a rare opportunity to quantify the value of the reviews out there.
But I don't really care about why it performs worse, I (and most people) only care about its performance out of the box.

Knowing why that happens can be a nice addon but, ultimately, Dyson should have fixed whatever the issue is, the conclusion most of these reviews have remains correct, the v16 performs worse out of the box.

I personally don't think reviewers need to explain why the performance is worse, they review the product as it is and expose the results they get. I follow some tech channels that try to go into further level of detail with GPUs, CPUs or cases, however, that is not the standard and those videos are just a 'nerd' show, most people don't care about the details.
 
But I don't really care about why it performs worse, I (and most people) only care about its performance out of the box.
I suspect you're right. In which case, as shown early on in this thread a few weeks ago, know the V16 is much poorer out of the box for avoidable reasons that ruin all the advancements otherwise made.
the conclusion most of these reviews have remains correct, the v16 performs worse out of the box.... I personally don't think reviewers need to explain why the performance is worse,
Yes, but it's a trivial one any reviewer can conclude. The problem is, they DO attempt to explain why and get it completely wrong. That's misleading and ends up doing a disservice to viewers. This important point is missed too often. That failure should be called out.
 
Why is anybody supposed to guess why a new product performs worse and why would they try to fix it? That sounds like something a QA team could investigate.

So are many products that release with critical issues lol
The reviewers should have smartly figured it all out, but none have, which to me shows they don't really know what they're talking about, they don't understand things, and can only give a cosmetic review at best, which isn't really valuable. The V16, the new technologies within it, and its cock-ups, are a rare opportunity to quantify the value of the reviews out there.
But I don't really care about why it performs worse, I (and most people) only care about its performance out of the box.

Knowing why that happens can be a nice addon but, ultimately, Dyson should have fixed whatever the issue is, the conclusion most of these reviews have remains correct, the v16 performs worse out of the box.

I personally don't think reviewers need to explain why the performance is worse, they review the product as it is and expose the results they get. I follow some tech channels that try to go into further level of detail with GPUs, CPUs or cases, however, that is not the standard and those videos are just a 'nerd' show, most people don't care about the details.
I suspect you're right. In which case, as shown early on in this thread a few weeks ago, know the V16 is much poorer out of the box for avoidable reasons that ruin all the advancements otherwise made.

Yes, but it's a trivial one any reviewer can conclude. The problem is, they DO attempt to explain why and get it completely wrong. That's misleading and ends up doing a disservice to viewers. This important point is missed too often. That failure should be called out.
It's better to try the hardest to find out the true shortcomings than to either leave the sh1t out and take the resulting downfalls as is or (worse yet) pointing out the wrong cause.

I wonder why TechRadar rejected my initial new reply regarding the OOTB performance of the first batches of the V16...
 
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@Vacuum Facts @cheesewonton @vac14012 well, TechRadar forbids links in comment. I finally got the actual comment going, and here it is:
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The fact that V16 is crippled have been caught on already, but the why has not only not been found, but has been ruined with overall half-hearted attempts to explain the real problem - instead reviewers chose to blame the new dual-cone floorhead which performs admirably despite angled front wall and unswept center line (and yes, it de-tangles flawlessly, with no extra wear or noise). Why can't anyone properly try to give deeper?

Also, TechRadar too thought the unswept center line meant even less pick-up... but they've been using a lesser version of big mess (yep, the type of tests like what Parwaz tends to do) that isn't representative of actual home cleaning - that pick-up at that line won't be too bad, and you can even get away by overlapping a bit more, and you still get all the remaining benefits.

(The misinformations and the fact that @Vacuum Facts isn't grateful for my honest help frustrates me.)
 
The problem you're creating is that some of what you say is not fully accurate and there's far more to it and much nuance. Your output is indistinct from a generative AI which takes dribs and drabs of existing input, not all of which is known to you, and generates an output that isn't always right. This is misleading and causing confusion and lack of clarity about the situation. At least AI output comes with the disclaimer that it can make mistakes and should be fact-checked. If you want to help in your public arguments with others that you continually cite me in with claims I don't necessarily agree with, you'd do better to fully understand all the background science, advance knowledge on this topic independently and support it with evidence, correctly identify the problems and interpret them within the much bigger picture, and outline all this thoroughly and clearly. This is what I intend to do eventually. You'll notice I'm not having these kinds of public arguments with other reviewers out there yet, or making too many detailed factual claims, since I haven't evidenced them yet. There's much more to the V16 than I've discussed here and don't intend to until the review next year. All those that have spouted nonsense out there in the meantime (including that yet to come when released in the US) will get their time from me eventually, in usual fashion.

The V16 is simultaneously good and bad, and how and why I'll give my thoughts on at a later date. I've said this right from the start.
 
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Has anyone measured the opening on the floor head yet? The double conical design looks like it results in a larger opening than the old gen5detect floor head, which would reduce the effective suction even with the same air watts.

I haven't seen a review with water lift yet either.
 
Has anyone measured the opening on the floor head yet? The double conical design looks like it results in a larger opening than the old gen5detect floor head, which would reduce the effective suction even with the same air watts.

I haven't seen a review with water lift yet either.
Nozzle design is more complex than just the size of the opening. Miele and Wessel-Werk power nozzles have openings that are very close to the rotating brush and in my home they clean miserably. Kenmore and Sebo power nozzles used with the same vacuums both do a better job and the Kenmore nozzles especially have larger openings around the brush roll. Suction is one part of what cleans a carpet. You need to get some air moving under the brush roll and up into the nozzle to get the dirt moving. That weird Harold Electrolux Ze3 power nozzle has a nice unobstructed V shaped air path from the nozzle opening back to the neck where it attaches to the wand. The brush drive motor is up above the air path right behind the headlight instead of on the base like most power nozzles.
 

Generic and didn't really justify with evidence some of the objective elements mentioned. Run-of-the-mill review, sadly. Missed so many important things that would inform a buying decision. The internet: gives everyone an equal voice but tricks people into wrongly thinking every voice is equally worth hearing.
 

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