Dyson Piston

[Hatsuwr]

Interesting how he noticed it doesn't perform as well as the Gen5 but didn't accurately explain why. You do have to be careful interpreting a test like that. Crevices should be deeper than typically found in a home, but they werent' quantified. People that do these tests also don't really explain what real-world value they have or what they're really showing about the machine.

Quantifying them doesn't matter a whole lot for comparative testing. The test slots and debris won't match the vast majority of actual use cases, but if one vacuum removes the test debris from larger slots than another, then you can expect that the former will perform better at removing real world debris from real world crevices and cavities.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Quantifying them doesn't matter a whole lot for comparative testing. The test slots and debris won't match the vast majority of actual use cases, but if one vacuum removes the test debris from larger slots than another, then you can expect that the former will perform better at removing real world debris from real world crevices and cavities.

I understand the test. It's just poorly defined and interpreted by many YT bedroom testers.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

I understand the test. It's just poorly defined and interpreted by many YT bedroom testers.

How do we test like how you understand though? I know the deep cleaning methods, but I don't know much about crevice cleaning.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

See https://vacuumland.org/threads/dyson-piston.46427/post-481082

So why are people calling the angled front a big issue? Just run parallel and rely on edge cleaning.

Geez, most reviewers aren't that smart.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

See my thread. It's asking for the fix needed.

Modding the vacuum would just ruin the warranty though. I'm not going to spend money on an expensive product if I have to "hack" or "mod" it. I like jerry rigging stuff but a product should work out of the box. Maybe your mod does make it better than the Gen5

So your response is 'nuh uh'?

There needs to be a change of leadership so the more senior engineers that understand things get more power and say over what to release. I still can't believe the decision making on display, as I'll go through in the review.

Interesting how he noticed it doesn't perform as well as the Gen5 but didn't accurately explain why.

See https://vacuumland.org/threads/the-hack-that-can-save-pre-release-version-of-dyson-v16.46693/

 

[Hatsuwr]

So why are people calling the angled front a big issue? Just run parallel and rely on edge cleaning.

Geez, most reviewers aren't that smart.

There are several areas in my house where you can't run along a wall. I imagine I'm not alone in this.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

There are several areas in my house where you can't run along a wall. I imagine I'm not alone in this.

In that case, that's because said areas are too narrow. Use the crevice or combi.

 

[Hatsuwr]

In that case, that's because said areas are too narrow. Use the crevice or combi.

Some are narrow, but most are just areas under things like desks or beds.

You are right though, I suppose you could crawl around with a crevice tool in those areas. But personally I'd rather just use a vacuum with a straight cleaning head.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

Some are narrow, but most are just areas under things like desks or beds.

You are right though, I suppose you could crawl around with a crevice tool in those areas. But personally I'd rather just use a vacuum with a straight cleaning head.

I don't entirely agree with what @Vacuum Facts now thinks of the typical soft roller. The soft roller isn't redundant - it's designed for the largest piles of large debris.

Dyson thought they could replicate both the normal brush bar and the soft roller into one, and if there's every nickel for every time so, we now got the second nickel with the V16 (the first one was the V11). While swapping cleaner heads has been relatively quite the trouble primarily because you have to bend, V16's cleaning wand already solved that with the red cuff near the top, making the head swapping so easy and simple and effortless, the two-head strat from the past since the birth of the (Fluffy) soft roller has finally become viable. The hopefully-ultimately redesigned as I proposed, version of the new dual-cone head for V16 should be the brush bar with front wall, gates and technically bulky head (maybe in two sizes) for cleaning carpets deeply but also capable of sweeping the hard floors and de-tangling hair all efficiently, and the redesigned hybrid brush bar be reincarnated and re-engineered from Vis Nav into the soft roller for V16 (not the porting of the laser soft roller as is the case of the current market in certain regions), while similar deep-clean performance on carpets but superior efficiency at hard floors through the opened or lack-of front wall and designed as low-profile for low-profile cleaning like the old laser soft roller, and both heads have the same intelligence and similar lasers as the ones in the current dual-cone head already present for the V16. Only the redesigned multi-action soft roller can be ported back into previous models (partly because that should've been included in the later releases of something like V12, or Gen5, or earlier of V8 Cyclone), while the redesigned dual-cone head can continue be incompatible with anything that came before the V16.

And we know Dyson has all the R&D to make the new heads as I proposed. After all, they innovates, while the competition dupes and copies in such ways that tend to hurt the originals which are almost all Dyson's (The only truly innovative things I could think of in vacuum cleaners that Dyson didn't do first were the auto-empty cleaning stations and the bulky dual brush bar heads...), just as @Vacuum Facts said himself many times.

So yeah, that was all I have. Sorry, my talk was so long, it exceeded 10,000 characters and forced me to split the thing.

@Hatsuwr instead of porting the existing soft roller, Dyson have to return to the dual head strat they previously did. That soft roller should now have been the multi-action brush bar like the head of the Vis Nav, designed for all floors like the regular dual-cone head. The redesigned version of the latter should be the brush bar, while the multi-action would take the role of the soft roller. The brush bar can keep the front wall, but the soft roller needs open front so debris can easily be sweeped. And as a bonus there would be straight front and virtually no unswept path and the soft roller can also stay low-profile, ideal for such under-layers like belle beds or tables as you've described.

The fact Dyson merely ported the laser soft roller instead of making sure the V16 works consistently powerfully and cleaning consistency superbly even from out-of-the-box (at least at launch) proves how far Dyson suits has fallen. First, their award-winning customer service and support became utterly trash, and now their newest flagship(s) became inconsistent. Stupid.