Vacuum Facts
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Careful, you'll get adult children attacking you for not having any experience with a REAL and high quality vacuum from 1723.
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Absolute Rainbow
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Understandable. That being said, I really hope you're going to still doing ok by the time the dust has settled metaphorically (and in the process, literally before you clean up your home).
Absolute Rainbow
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If you want to talk about the fix needed to get the (initial batch of) V16 working superbly again, please go to my own thread talking about the fix in question. For now, I'm talking about the new dual-cone head, or as it's officially called, All Floor Cones (Sense). And by extension, both the olden Digital Motorbar and the laser soft roller.
This new head is designed in the same manner and with the same intended role as your typical brush bar and soft roller into one single cleaner head, much like the first iteration of the digital brush launched with the V11. The new head is patented new design, using two Archimedes-cup (excuse me, but Panasonic themselves duped the design as detailed in one of VF's own videos himself) opposed and attached to their base (not between the tips like Panasonic's version), and a slim wall compared to the hair screw tool (the originator of said Archimedes-cup design), designed for, you guessed it, full-blown hair de-tangling without sacrificing much edge cleaning. The whole thing is wide-V shaped at the front, which makes it annoying to clean with the front and reduces the cleaning effectiveness of the front wall and corners, the former forcing you to use the head's sides to do the job (in other words: forcing us to rely on edge cleaning); said front wall integrates both the typical Dyson adjustable gates (similar to the ones in all the named versions of the digital bar, not the regular Motorbar though) and a new (and brighter!) version of the laser technology from the laser soft roller. There are little front wheels at the front corners (that may be tangled, unlike the rollers themselves), and the same kind of 3D-sculpted squeegee back as the digital bar. The V-Ball are also taken from the digital bar and even the regular Motorbar as well. The laser soft roller, meanwhile, may be merely ported from regular attachment to the new digitised attachment for the V16 (which is not directly compatible with any of the previous tools at all - it uses different connector than its predecessors), so no true de-tangling at all.
(To be continued...)
If you want to talk about the fix needed to get the (initial batch of) V16 working superbly again, please go to my own thread talking about the fix in question. For now, I'm talking about the new dual-cone head, or as it's officially called, All Floor Cones (Sense). And by extension, both the olden Digital Motorbar and the laser soft roller.
This new head is designed in the same manner and with the same intended role as your typical brush bar and soft roller into one single cleaner head, much like the first iteration of the digital brush launched with the V11. The new head is patented new design, using two Archimedes-cup (excuse me, but Panasonic themselves duped the design as detailed in one of VF's own videos himself) opposed and attached to their base (not between the tips like Panasonic's version), and a slim wall compared to the hair screw tool (the originator of said Archimedes-cup design), designed for, you guessed it, full-blown hair de-tangling without sacrificing much edge cleaning. The whole thing is wide-V shaped at the front, which makes it annoying to clean with the front and reduces the cleaning effectiveness of the front wall and corners, the former forcing you to use the head's sides to do the job (in other words: forcing us to rely on edge cleaning); said front wall integrates both the typical Dyson adjustable gates (similar to the ones in all the named versions of the digital bar, not the regular Motorbar though) and a new (and brighter!) version of the laser technology from the laser soft roller. There are little front wheels at the front corners (that may be tangled, unlike the rollers themselves), and the same kind of 3D-sculpted squeegee back as the digital bar. The V-Ball are also taken from the digital bar and even the regular Motorbar as well. The laser soft roller, meanwhile, may be merely ported from regular attachment to the new digitised attachment for the V16 (which is not directly compatible with any of the previous tools at all - it uses different connector than its predecessors), so no true de-tangling at all.
(To be continued...)
Absolute Rainbow
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I would propose as what if I redesigned the new head and the soft roller, so here I am...
- I go back to the two-head strat, providing both the actual brush bar and the soft roller. These would be the dual-cone head and a redesigned version of the soft roller, respectively.
- Dual-cone (All Floor Cones) is the brush bar:
+ Keep the Archimedes-cup design from the original, making that two screws that dives deep into the piles in carpet and sweeps hard floors as well. There needs to be an XL version, then said screws must be symmetrically expanded and modded with extended tips like the hair screw tool with the same minimal walls both inside and outside, giving us both good edge cleaning and actual hair de-tangling from the original dual-cone; these extended tips becomes relatively low-profile got both itself and the edges of the proposed head, making it slightly more flexible in low-profile cleaning, taking advantage of the resulting conical shape already present in the original head.
+ Make the rollers' physical brushes, with four spiralling stiff almost-short nylon strips and soft roller-based swaths of soft bristles based on the PencilVac's FluffyCones rollers, all replacing the two strips and two brushes, and the plastic space, respectively. This redesign is based on 360 Vis Nav's own multi-action brush bar which literally combined the ordinary brush bar and the soft roller into one. You get doubled carpet agitation and make it easier to clean even the most stubborn dust in the piles, while the increased area of soft rolling improves both hard floor seals (similar to the soft rollers in general) and sweeps more dust in less time within the same sweeping path. (After all, Dyson wants us to treat the original new head as both brush bar and soft roller in one)
+ Slim down the center of the front wall, and slightly straighten the front wall. This restores some of the front cleaning performance, and make the corners easier to clean. Keep the centered laser in, but optionally add two bright white LEDs (akin to regular LEDs on various dupes' many heads) at the sides that only turn on while on carpet (especially since the green laser turns off completely on carpet), so you can see stuffs in the dark
+ Taper the base of the rollers similarly to the PencilVac's FluffyCones, reducing the unswept path at the center. Also taper the strips and the bristles slightly outwards in the tips and slightly inwards in the base, reducing the unswept path even further. That plastic strip between the rollers can then now and would be-be replaced with any straight rigid thin-wire at the center, similar to the similar wires under the brush bar of Vis Nav.
+ Modify the squeegee, base it partially on the regular Motorbar. This hybrid squeegee should be able to sweep off and retain seal without ploughing the back or scratching the floor. That kind of rubber strip should seem like a reversible version of the current 3D-sculpted squeegee ones found in the original and the digital bar (currently too focused on sealing and sweeping front, that would snowploughs any mess on the way of the back pull).
+ Keep the automation and detection from the original. Final result: an even better all-rounder brush bar than ever, fixing the problems compared to both the old and new heads, true de-tangling even the longest of hairs and strings, and superior cleaning performance per suction-airflow-power (i.e. airwatts) on both hard floors and carpets. The original new dual-cone head is really good (and not nearly as loud as some made out to be), but this proposed design is even better.
- Soft roller (All Floor Motorbar) is the soft roller:
+ Adapt the brush bar from Vis Nav, with the strips and the bristles from V16's dual-cone head (present in both original and my proposal) in place of the thinner strips and older soft rolling respectively. The thicker and fuller strips and softer bristles improved cleaning performance across the board without really scratching the hard floors. The carbon fibre filaments are optional - it strips away static charges from the dust in hard floors but may scratch the floors in the process (and the dual-cone head did away with these filaments). Also keep it about as low-profile as the previous laser soft roller, so low-profile cleaning could be taken care of.
+ The de-tangling vanes from the newest versions of all pre-dual-cone bars. While considered a stop-gap solution, it's still pretty effective at what it does: de-tangling hair, just like the conical Archimedes-cup design in the hair screw tool and the new head, albeit much louder and less long-term durability.
+ Strip down the front wall like the Vis Nav and the soft rollers, not only to facilitate the redesigned multi-action brush bar but also to prevent as much snowplough at the front, and allowing all (not just some) large debris in all at once - the proposed/redesigned dual-cone head can keep the front wall and the gates which only allows only some of those large debris in at once at best.
+ The (brighter version of) side laser from the soft roller. Maybe even stops being perpendicularly straight laser which only light up the opposite side and front like the initial versions of the laser, and become more like the wide-blade laser from PencilVac and V16 instead. The redesigned laser, like the one(s) in the dual-cone head, will turn off while on carpet, and back on when back to hard floors.
+ Bring the automation and detection from the dual-cone head. This means the brush bar can change speed like any version of the dual-cone head does. The end result: a soft roller that have stiff bristles alongside soft ones, capable of sweeping both dust and debris of all relevant sizes regardless of floor types, from hard floors to carpets and back, and there would be no extra unswept path to boot. It would also be low-profile, so freely be able to clean low-profile nooks and crannies.
[To be continued...]
Absolute Rainbow
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Dyson thought they could replicate both the normal brush bar and the soft roller into one, and if there's every nickel for every time so, we now got the second nickel with the V16 (the first one was the V11). While swapping cleaner heads has been relatively quite the trouble primarily because you have to bend, V16's cleaning wand already solved that with the red cuff near the top, making the head swapping so easy and simple and effortless, the two-head strat from the past since the birth of the (Fluffy) soft roller has finally become viable. The hopefully-ultimately redesigned as I proposed, version of the new dual-cone head for V16 should be the brush bar with front wall, gates and technically bulky head (maybe in two sizes) for cleaning carpets deeply but also capable of sweeping the hard floors and de-tangling hair all efficiently, and the redesigned hybrid brush bar be reincarnated and re-engineered from Vis Nav into the soft roller for V16 (not the porting of the laser soft roller as is the case of the current market in certain regions), while similar deep-clean performance on carpets but superior efficiency at hard floors through the opened or lack-of front wall and designed as low-profile for low-profile cleaning like the old laser soft roller, and both heads have the same intelligence and similar lasers as the ones in the current dual-cone head already present for the V16. Only the redesigned multi-action soft roller can be ported back into previous models (partly because that should've been included in the later releases of something like V12, or Gen5, or earlier of V8 Cyclone), while the redesigned dual-cone head can continue be incompatible with anything that came before the V16.
And we know Dyson has all the R&D to make the new heads as I proposed. After all, they innovates, while the competition dupes and copies in such ways that tend to hurt the originals which are almost all Dyson's (The only truly innovative things I could think of in vacuum cleaners that Dyson didn't do first were the auto-empty cleaning stations and the bulky dual brush bar heads...), just as @Vacuum Facts said himself many times.
So yeah, that was all I have. Sorry, my talk was so long, it exceeded 10,000 characters and forced me to split the thing.
