Dyson Piston

[Vacuum Facts]

Apparently usable bin volume is up from 0.77 l to 1.35 l—so essentially double. This is a consequence of evolving beyond a first-stage cyclone in the bin that's been around since they invented it like 30+ years ago. The new non-cyclonic separator takes up less space, which means more room for dirt in the same volume. And it's compressable now too to increase its density and fit even more into the same volume. The Gen5Outsize has a bin volume of 1.89 l, so the new design is almost as much. Very Dyson: do more with less. They've heavily patented this idea (and the ideas for the generations after it), so the dupes will be thick and not fast.

 

[vac14012]

Apparently usable bin volume is up from 0.77 l to 1.35 l—so essentially double. This is a consequence of evolving beyond a first-stage cyclone in the bin that's been around since they invented it like 30+ years ago. The new non-cyclonic separator takes up less space, which means more room for dirt in the same volume. And it's compressable now too to increase its density and fit even more into the same volume. The Gen5Outsize has a bin volume of 1.89 l, so the new design is almost as much. Very Dyson: do more with less. They've heavily patented this idea (and the ideas for the generations after it), so the dupes will be thick and not fast.

How does the new non cyclonic aspect work? Like what replaces the cyclone in the bin and the metal shroud? It's not something Dyson really advertises.

I wish one of the engineers would do an in-depth video on the airflow and such.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Yeah, Dyson's advertising is surprisingly poor for this machine. The technologies within it are amazing and such a revolution over past generations. Yet not a blip. I can't fathom that. Perhaps they'll sing once it's released globally. The non-cyclonic separator separates inertially. It's a lengthy explanation for a forum. I'll go into it in great detail in my review. For now, the filtration section of my lecture discusses it most clearly than anywhere else on the lay internet I've seen.

 

[vac14012]

It's strange how they did a huge production for the pencilvac, but the Piston has been kinda quietly released so far.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

There are a couple of new videos (1, 2) of people 'reviewing' it (poorly)—they're your usual cosmetic affairs that simply vaguely regurgitate high level marketing guff. However, it is now available elsewhere (Canada).

The videos do show some interesting things though (by accident, emphasising the review weakness) that haven't been discussed, such as the hair screw tool 2.0 having rug strips now.

 

[juju93]

Now when is this coming to America, if its now available in Canada?

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Dyson's releases and communication seem very disorganised and mediocre these days. Not sure what's gone wrong internally, but it's anyone's guess what's going to happen with it... I still can't believe how gradual and utterly silently their new flagship has been released. I just can't understand that.

 

[Absolute Rainbow]

Now when is this coming to America, if its now available in Canada?

It probably is. And it's now renamed as V16.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Well, the V16 Piston. You have to wonder what the "Gen5" was all about, naming-wise—other than being a generation 5. There are also trademarks registered for V17 up to V20.

They changed to the V16 from the DS60 somewhat silently and retroactively, even in South Korea. I think what they've done is monitored response in a local geographic area and assumed V16 would make a bigger splash once released more widely.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

It could be out in New Zealand soon according to some reviews on their website, even though it's not listed for sale...not sure. Definitely the most unusual and completely silent release of a new flagship product I've seen...especially given the technological advancements. I can't understand the rationale. Wonder if they'll release a promo when it comes to the US and UK?

 

[Vacuum Facts]

And there are some rumours it's about to get a German release at €900 (€999 for submarine version). They should probably send Miele a complementary V16 to compare with their Duoflex HX1 so they can appreciate what technological advancement actually is and not everything has to be a DC35 dupe to exploit the customer.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Yep, German release. Also Italian, and some 3rd parties selling it. Weirdest ghost release of a major technological advancement I've ever seen. Maybe Dyson never recovered from their 'crisis meeting' and restructuring they had during Covid.

What's interesting is, at least for the German release, they're selling a flavour with their 3 great additional tools (awkward gap, dusting, extension hose). Stupidly, you can't get those and the submarine head, which makes no sense.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I see frickhelm has one.

In some of his other videos, his testing is the most meaningful attempt at quantifying performance I've seen on the lay internet. Qualitatively, he reaches similar conclusions as I reach, but there are still weaknesses in his testing I've observed, so I take it with a pinch of salt. Leaps and bounds better than the rubbish that's out there otherwise.

Interestingly, the guy isn't shy about directly calling out BS from popular and stunningly weak sources out there, either.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

It looks like there are a lot of interesting revisions to their pionerring tools for competitors to clone.

 

[madaboutsebo]

It looks like there are a lot of interesting revisions to their pionerring tools for competitors to clone.

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These updated tools and accessories look interesting. Be interested to see the mini hair screw 2.0 in use with the new updated rubber strip across the front and from some pictures I have seen has rug guards on underneath too!

 

[madaboutsebo]

Both V16 models are available in the UK now!

 

[Vacuum Facts]

You have to go to their direct link if they're not listed on the homepage yet. Submarine version. I see the UK gets a big FU on the tool flavours. The German site has options to buy with the useful accessories. And if you convert the prices from EUR to GBP you can see how rip-off Britain is rearing its ugly head again as well; the submarine version is like £50 more expensive. I'll get one at some point and do a review. I might give it a few weeks or so before posting to let the internet generate its pile of nonsense. I rushed to be the first major review out for the Gen5 and got nothing for it.

 

[vac14012]

I wonder why there's bristles for hair removal, PLUS the cone shaped heads for more hair removal. I didn't notice that until frickhelms video. I was under the assumption that the conical heads were making the hair removal vanes obsolete. The motorhead does seem kind disgustingly loud but tbh, i've worse. I guess if you only have hard floor then noise level is a downgrade from the Fluffyheads.



Parwaz786 just uploaded a video, he tends to abuse his vacuums to ridiculous lengths, so i'm curious to watch.

 

[vac14012]

Not a fan of the empty cleaning line in the middle where the cones connect, but not the end of the world. I am impressed by the cyclones however, even after he abused it, overfilled the bin, made it pulse and say there's a blockage, more than once. The filter was completely clean. And he put down a pretty hefty amount of dirt. So that's pretty impressive. Edge cleaning seems pretty good as well.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I wonder why there's bristles for hair removal, PLUS the cone shaped heads for more hair removal.

I'll explain in my review. Many features about this machine are completely unnoticed or underappreciated, and it shows how cosmetically people rely on marketing when they think they're YT review gurus. I'm deliberately waiting a few weeks before reviewing, not least because it's going to be a LOT of work for this one, but to also give time for the 'reviewers' out there to spread their usual nonsense and reveal their ignorance of things they ought to know if they're putting a review out.

The motorhead does seem kind disgustingly loud but tbh. I guess if you only have hard floor then noise level is a downgrade from the Fluffyheads.

As I commented on his video, it's not clear it's 'louder', just a different tone from multiple sources. Yes, it's louder than the fluffy head, but hardly loud—especially compared to old inferior technology like a Kirby or Sanitaire—that no one seems to say anything about...quite a contrast worth noting.

Parwaz786 just uploaded a video, he tends to abuse his vacuums to ridiculous lengths, so i'm curious to watch.

Yes, I saw that and commented. It's a well-intentioned, entertaining video, but his 'tests' are so unrepresentative of any real-world situation anyone would face that they can't be used to infer anything meaningful, regardless of how well or poorly it appears to perform—true for ANY machine. I'll do more representative, quantitative testing eventually. I predict it won't perform as well for a couple of reasons—only one has been noticed, which many predicted ages ago—the unswept central path.