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Some very impressive and novel technology from Dyson on the way. I'll review it once it's released in my region. The science behind some of the features is very interesting.
Dyson Piston
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I knew I made a good choice not upgrading to the Gen5. There was so little difference between the V15 and the Gen5 I wondered why they even released it. Now, THIS on the other hand looks awesome, and fun to use. A ton of new features which look genuinely good. Cleaner head looks great, I like that it works on both hard floor/carpet now. And the new bin emptying mechanism seems like it's going to really eliminate any dust clouds. There's a lot going on here though to summarize everything.
The only real downside I see is that it appears the tool connection might be changing again, which is a little annoying if so. Hopefully they sell an adaptor, or a third party does, cause i've acquired A LOT of good non powered Dyson attachments over the years.
The only real downside I see is that it appears the tool connection might be changing again, which is a little annoying if so. Hopefully they sell an adaptor, or a third party does, cause i've acquired A LOT of good non powered Dyson attachments over the years.
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If the connection has changed, it will be for a legitimate reason—in this case so you can release the cleaner head without bending down, which is a great idea I wasn't expecting. Wonder how many will dupe that the first chance they get. Unless Dyson drop the ball again with their flavour offerings, it would make sense that all tools would come with the machine such that the change in connection was irrelevant. They've already upgraded the hair screw tool and it looks from their gallery that they supply their other tools with it, with some upgraded.
What amazes me from reactions I've seen on the internet is how cosmetics matter more than substance and innovation. Frightening. Many of the amazing and pioneering features of this machine and why they're useful for the chore of cleaning, have gone completely unnoticed. Dyson's marketing doesn't really go into it either, if at all in some cases. Maybe they presumed it's too deep for the lay audience. It's called 'piston' for reasons more than the cleankompactor feature. Bit sad really. I suspect a detailed discussion of them and the associated science will only be found in my eventual review.
I bet it costs less than the Samsung Bespoke Jet and Vorwerk cordless offerings (~£1200) but will still be regarded as 'overpriced', whilst those other two machines get a free pass. The Won to £ conversion looks to be about £750-800, but there'll be a rip-off factor added, I suspect.
What amazes me from reactions I've seen on the internet is how cosmetics matter more than substance and innovation. Frightening. Many of the amazing and pioneering features of this machine and why they're useful for the chore of cleaning, have gone completely unnoticed. Dyson's marketing doesn't really go into it either, if at all in some cases. Maybe they presumed it's too deep for the lay audience. It's called 'piston' for reasons more than the cleankompactor feature. Bit sad really. I suspect a detailed discussion of them and the associated science will only be found in my eventual review.
I bet it costs less than the Samsung Bespoke Jet and Vorwerk cordless offerings (~£1200) but will still be regarded as 'overpriced', whilst those other two machines get a free pass. The Won to £ conversion looks to be about £750-800, but there'll be a rip-off factor added, I suspect.
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juju93
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Oh this looks intresting. I wasn't crazy about the pencilvac that they launched and dont seem to want to invest in it. As someone who has the outsize model, the non gen5 version, I do hope they come out with an outsize variant. The attachments look cool and intresting. The only thing I don't like from what I see is the color scheme. The yellowish gold and black just doesn't sit right with me.
I just realized there's no shroud. Is this the first Dyson to not have one? I wonder how that will change the performance in anyway.
Also do you know of any parents that might show how the new docking station works with the auto emptying?
Imo their stick vacuums are already super easy to empty, this one appears even more so with the plunger thing. I feel like having it empty into another bin would be an uncessary feature. I'll probably opt out on purchasing that unless Dyson has really revolutionized it somehow.
Also I'm hoping the bin is removable for cleaning. I'm not seeing an immediate obvious way of doing so. Although maybe you don't even need to anymore on this model considering the plunger scrapes the entire bin.
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Yes, it has the world's first non-cyclonic inertial first-stage separator. The biggest change in 30 years now that literally every manufacturer has copied Dyson's original design of turning the air on entry to make a cyclone and relying on the shroud's mechanical separation. The shroud blinded over time and clogged, which was an obvious problem every other manufacturer ignored. And now that Dyson have solved it, not a whisper; amazingly interesting technology otherwise all but ignored by their own marketing as well. It also does some very interesting dynamic alterations to maximise separation efficiency as a function of airflow and dust type ingress. Very little gets to the cyclones when they tested it with kaolinite (*extremely* fine mineral dust). I'll quantify its performance in my review. (The next version they're working on is even more interesting.) And there are other filtration performance improving technologies too otherwise ignored by so many that can't seem to get past its cosmetic skin colour.
I don't know much about the docking station (or care). Like many of these things, they're competing with companies driving pointless junk like that and it looks like Dyson might feel they need to have it too in order to avoid being unduly criticised. Self-emptying docking stations are a waste of money, space, materials, and don't really save time.
The bin is almost certainly removable (there are catches visible). The plunger does wipe all surfaces on emptying now, cleaning them.
I don't know much about the docking station (or care). Like many of these things, they're competing with companies driving pointless junk like that and it looks like Dyson might feel they need to have it too in order to avoid being unduly criticised. Self-emptying docking stations are a waste of money, space, materials, and don't really save time.
The bin is almost certainly removable (there are catches visible). The plunger does wipe all surfaces on emptying now, cleaning them.
I'm willing to wait and see how the dock functions before completely writing it off as junk. But you're probably right it won't be anything interesting.
Unfortunately Dyson has entered product ranges before with mediocre items just to get their name in there. Like their robot vacuums which imo are garbage. And imo they've made some absolutely ghastly canister vacuums over the years.
So this dock may just be another unfortunate one of those.
That being said the rest of the vacuum looks amazing and I am very excited.
Unfortunately Dyson has entered product ranges before with mediocre items just to get their name in there. Like their robot vacuums which imo are garbage. And imo they've made some absolutely ghastly canister vacuums over the years.
So this dock may just be another unfortunate one of those.
That being said the rest of the vacuum looks amazing and I am very excited.
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I had a quick review of the literature and found one reference. It seems their approach to the dock is to use the vacuum cleaner's motor to generate a low pressure region in the dock, then they open the cleaner's bin and an air lock chamber and pulse so the air is sucked out of the machine. The airlock closes afterwards to prevent a return dust cloud. The advantage of their design is it doesn't need a separate motor and uses the cleaner's. It may have filter/shroud and has some kind of cyclonic separation in the air lock region as well to guie dirt and prevnt a return dust cloud. The other advantage they tout is that they can do funky things with reverse air through the machine, essentially sending it the wrong way to blow out any clogs in shrouds etc. Looks like it's been worked on for a couple of years.
I still think docks are a waste of time and any advantages they bring are better done in other ways (dyson's machines are likely to self clean shroud blockages in the future anyway). Dyson's dock really does come across to me as a "you can't one-up us with seemingly good but ultimately false economies; we'll just tick that box as well". I can see how other machines with inferior emtpying mechanisms that cause an unavoidable dust cloud back in your face would need ato compensate with stupid dock like this, but a well-designed emptying mechanism which doesn't suffer from that problem don't benefit from a cleaning dock and it's just a false economy.
I still think docks are a waste of time and any advantages they bring are better done in other ways (dyson's machines are likely to self clean shroud blockages in the future anyway). Dyson's dock really does come across to me as a "you can't one-up us with seemingly good but ultimately false economies; we'll just tick that box as well". I can see how other machines with inferior emtpying mechanisms that cause an unavoidable dust cloud back in your face would need ato compensate with stupid dock like this, but a well-designed emptying mechanism which doesn't suffer from that problem don't benefit from a cleaning dock and it's just a false economy.
juju93
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I'm curious to where they came up with the name dyson piston, it just sounds so odd. I do hope theirs an outsize version of this model and one that comes with the fluffy optic lazer head.
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Yeah, you'd think their marketing would have made that clear, but it's really bare bones and dumbed down. There's the plunger 'piston' to compact dirt, but also piston valves that control airflow through their primary and cyclonic separators now in intricate ways to maximise dirt separation efficiency. I'll go through the details and science in my review eventually when I'm able to buy one (after selling a ventricle to afford it).
Not sure on outsize. The fluffy optic is now integrated into the main head. It's 2-in-1 (finally...)
The new head works on both carpet and hard floor so you no longer need the fluffy head. At least that's the idea. I do really love the fluffy head so hopefully this design is just as good.
Based on the website it'll detect when you're on hard floor and turn on the laser and I think it'll also change the brush roll speed to not scratch the floor?
