Dyson High Prices could leed to demise

[madabouthoovers]

Nar - I am pointing out that I feel that the Chinese are being exploited to generate massive profits for Western Companies, and indeed some Asian companies. I know that they don't get paid very much, but this is changing is it not - the Chinese now want more of an equal share in the riches of the West. China cannot keep sustaining the extreme growth they are experiencing for ever, and sooner or later their bubble will burst. It happened in America, look at Detroit for an example, and its happened in the UK, where we never had it so good in the 60's but this country has been in decline since the 1980's, when the workers were demanding too much in wages and having strikes that crippled companies. The same could happen in China, and then other up and coming third world countries like India will take China's place as the new global superpower.

[this post was last edited: 3/10/2014-14:23]

 

[sebo_fan]

Well I didn't expect you to "out" me here on the forum so publically, Steve.

And, the Chinese don't want "automatic everything" like they did in the States. Chinese people don't drive that many cars with a population forever using bicycles (pretty much what the Dutch had for many years) - the lifestyle is very different - and with the size of the U.S geographically, one could argue that you really need a car to get around.

The Chinese don't have a high proportion of smart small appliances in their homes either.

India is already producing and from what I can tell, although society there are happy to go premium, they already know that the country will not survive doing what China has done. China has already started to see a shift from a few companies going away from China because it is no longer cheap to produce goods at high prices.

Largely though there were pay strikes, not least equal pay for women workers, automation certainly took care of "screw driver" assembly factory floor jobs, don't forget that. It's not all about manual workers. There's more to it.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Sorry Nar - post modified, and I agree with what you say. I guess we will just have to wait and see how it all pans out in the next few decades. Perhaps Great Britain will be "great" again, but I'm not so sure - I feel we've had our share of the glory, now its the up and coming third world countries turn to have a bite at the cherry.

 

[sebo_fan]

No worries. I don't intend to be here for the "next couple of decades." lol, though.

I suspect the future home will have porous carpets with a central vent vacuum built into the floor that sucks the dust "from the bottom of the carpet" rather than ruffling the top fibres, or vents large enough to the sides of hard floors where dust can be swept into a central vac system. I think it has been done already - but as usual the prices ain't cheap to have it fitted into your home.

 

[adamthemieleman]

Well I for one hope that don't go bust, I hope to go on and work in their rdd.

 

[adamthemieleman]

Sorry, that should have said I hope that Dyson don't go bust.

Autocorrect eh

 

[vintagerepairer]

Personally, I do not forsee Dyson going bust in the lifetime of even the youngest person reading this. Not unless they do something very stupid like Hoover did with the free-flights or if James Dyson was to publicly disrespect the people who buy his merchandise. I believe this to be true because irrespective of the price and quality of his cleaners, they are still one of the best on the market, as the quality of all others has systematically diminished year on year.

This is where the likes of Numatic have done well, because rather than rush to compete, they exercised self-belief and quietly plugged away their own style of cleaner which was everything that a Dyson isn't. A whole breed of consumer who has tried all the bells & whistles is now coming back to basics. But that isn't everyone. A good deal are still buying Dyson.

It is when Dyson runs out of new ideas that the problems will start. So the new cleaner needs no filter cleaning? Then what will they have to sell after that?

 

[madabouthoovers]

I don't think you need to worry Adam - With all Mr Dyson's billions, he would never see his company go bust. I cant see it happening anyway. I just wish he would return all manufacturing to the UK, seeing as he claims to be an British company.

 

[tolivac]

Dyson "Conter-Rotator" washer-not only failures of the drum mechanism-but the machines got a bad reputation for shredding,balling,and tearing clothes from the conterotating drums.So the drums were locked to rotate together as in a conventioanl FL machine-remember this from a discussion about the Dyson washer on the neighboring Applianceville section.James Dyson so reminds me of David Oreck-both invent and innovate things-and push to sell them.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Luckily for Dyson, when his washing machine was on sale, the internet was neither as large as it is now, nor did it have the forums or the means to access it so readily (such as on telephones). Had the internet been what it is now, word would soon have got round about the washing machine failures.

 

[madabouthoovers]

The latest inventor who wants to be the next Dyson wannabe is GTECH - their leader is always on the TV boasting about how brilliant he is and how wonderful the Air Ram is. Yet all the Air Ram actually is is a motorised floor sweeper with a lithium battery and a few fancy lights on the handle. It cant be used for anything other than floor cleaning and has no hose - yet people are flocking out to pay over £200 for one and singing its praises. In the old days, these people would never have dreamed of paying so much for a motorised Ewbank

 

[dysondestijl]

Ooh I have that Ewbank

 

[madabouthoovers]

My Gran had an old 60s Ewbank manual sweeper for years - she loved it - needless to say her house was never very clean, as her Hoover 119 hardly ever came out of the cupboard. She'd have loved the Air Ram.

 

[dysonman1]

I don't understand Europe's tendency not to use clothes dryers. Mr. Dyson invented his washing machine but no dryer. It's a dryer's lint filter that's always clogging up, restricting airflow, taking longer to dry, and overheating the clothes once the filter is clogged. Sounds like the perfect job for the cyclone. Constant airflow, and great filtration of the lint from the exhaust air.

 

[sebox4]

Europe's tendency not to use clothes dryers

It is seen as a waste of money to use a clothes dryer when it isn't raining, I agree with this, even when it is raining most of my clothes go on an indoor drying rack.

Plus, it isn't against any regulations here to line dry, nor is it seen as a sign on 'poverty' as was the case in the US. North America is pretty much the only part of the world where clothes dryers are almost exclusively used.

Not only that, but you really can't beat that line dried freshness!

Matt

 

[madabouthoovers]

Many English people like to line dry due to the price of running a tumble drier - they are very costly in electricity. I use a tumble drier as I have no garden and no washing line, and drying clothes in the house leads to damp problems. The fluff filter gets a blast with the dustbuster after every load, and yes, its amazing how much fluff it accumulates - all clothes and fabric fibres, hair and other crap.

 

[sebo_fan]

Most of Scotland rains all the time, so an electric tumble dryer is a necessity. We don't have the sunshine for most of the year and even when we do, like we did today, it is close to freezing, which is pointless for drying clothing.

I tried it this morning. Put my clothes at 10am and by 5pm still damp and close to freezing. They're currently now in my electric tumble dryer which will take about 30 mins to get all the clothing dry.

Steve - you obviously don't know the Princess or Spinney electric motorised sweepers - they were an 1980s thing seen in catalogues. My gran had two of them and they were like the precursor to the GTECH and pretty good IMHO. She also had a Ewbank.

 

[madabouthoovers]

As was pointed out earlier - I wonder why Dyson never invented a tumble drier? No doubt it would have had a cyclone somewhere along the line and been made out of 8 different lurid colours of plastic, or perhaps cyclones don't work when damp fluff was spun round them. I also have no doubt that it would have cost twice as much as the most expensive tumble drier at the time due to its advanced "technology".

 

[sebo_fan]

We should be thankful Dyson just did one appliance and moved on. Credit is due to the Air blade and those "hollow" fans though - clearly Dyson is trying other products other than just floorcare.

 

[anthony]

tumble dryers

my 32 year old hoover tumbledryer lost its filter years ago it dries clothes just like it always has happily blowing any fluff out into the garden once a year i give it a good hoover out and its good to go for another year

 

[madabouthoovers]

Ah, the fans? The fans that cost 10 times more than a standard desk fan - that's why I don't own one. No matter how technologically advanced they are, they are not worth the prices Dyson demands for them.


The airblade V driers were installed in my last workplace, in a motorway services on the M6, and yes, they were very effective, until the side vents and internal filters clogged up, which didn't take very long. They are also extremely expensive, and as far as I know, were hired from Dyson, as so many of them were fitted on site.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Anthony - you cant get away with no filter in a condenser drier, like I have, as it just clogs up the condenser, and stops the drier working properly.

 

[sebo_fan]

Isn't there a secondary tank underneath as well if you have a condenser?

I have a vented dryer - so much darn easier.

 

[madabouthoovers]

It has a 5 litre slide in tank in the same location as the powder draw on a washer, and a small pump by the condenser that pumps the water up to the tank. You can remove the pipe from the storage tank and plumb it into a drain if needs be. The condenser itself slides out of the bottom of the machine and has to be flushed out every 6 months, which I do in the bathtub using a shower head.


They are more of a faff, but it saved me having to knock a hole in the wall for a vent hose.


 


 

 

[keiththomas]

Well He has made something good a proper hand dryer, funny though thirty years ago, I thought automatic car wash equipment had powerful dryers so why week for hands now others have followed, but I bet cheaper. His Rivals are catching fast like Panasonic I saw one in bm for £69.99

 

[sebo_fan]

We weighed up the pros and cons when we got a gas vented dryer in the 1980s when gas prices were cheap. It was a no brainer not just based on the cost of the dryer and the amount of work it would take to get a hole and vent in the wall. It isn't that expensive to get a vent in a wall, especially if you are in a property for life.

Understandable in a rental if you don't have authority, or even if you do, pointless in a short term tenancy.

 

[vintagerepairer]

The G-tec has suction behind it though, so more that 'Just' a sweeper.

Before I moved here, I always had a tumble dryer. Line drying was always my first choice, weather permitting, but having grown up in a household were rooms were festooned with wet laundry which had been hung to dry, I was determined never to do the same in my own accommodation. Back then, it wasn't such an issue as homes were draughty so there was a natural through-flow of fresh air.

Not so now, in our lovely super-insulated centrally heated homes. Houses retain all that damp air and of course heat is lost as a result of drying laundry, so the heating often needs to be increased. Also, I cannot abide the smell of homes -particularly cooking and cigarette odours- on laundry.