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LG are good, but not brilliant - they still break down, but as a Korean brand, they are, in my opinion better than Samsung, who have grown to be a behemoth company, swallowing up everything in its path and producing mediocre quality products.


Like Samsung, Dyson are getting too big to care about quality any more - only about the profits for shareholders.


My next TV will probably be an LG, and I would buy another LG washer tomorrow if I had to. Its a shame they don't make microwaves any longer as I would also buy another LG microwave. LG is one brand I will recommend, and that's a privelige as I am very critical regarding appliances and companies. I just hope they don't go down the "made in China" route.
 
If you go on LG's UK website, they only list 2 current microwave models, which don't meet my needs, as I want a stainless steel version, not a black one, and pages of discontinued ones, so it looks to me like they are phasing them out.


 


So LG have now got the made in China bug as well. Dear or dear, I despair. That means they will be churning out shoddy goods now, just like every other company that jumped on the made in China bandwagon.


 
 
Just because something is made in Malaysia or China does not mean that it is of lesser quality. The products are made to the specification set by the manufacturer. Iphones, Computers, LCD displays etc are made in China and these are reliable.

Despite me having a few issues with the brush motor on my Dyson DC24 and the plastic wands having issues after 3 years because the plastic is rather thin,so when I twist the machine side to side on lino floors its breaks the wand. This is down to design, not where its made.

Dyson reliability has never been excellent. I feel they are let down by the extensive use of plastic for their wands where they used to be stainless steel or aluminium but Dyson would argue that plastic wands are because they are lightweight and easier to handle. I would rather a steel or aluminium wand any day.

It would be nice however if Dyson made in the UK again, but I doubt that will ever happen.
 
Steve - LG's website in the UK is never accurate. It took them 5 months to display the washing machine I bought from Currys that was an LG model. The site is seldom updated to reflect what third party franchises bring in on their books. I wish you would realise that.

Same with SEBO when you moaned about the Ultra bags - it doesn't happen "overnight" and if you want a particular appliance you still have to shop around - much to the annoyance of high street franchises who assume buyers aren't that keen to use the 'net for price comparisons and different models.

If there was any website that springs to mind who seldom update it is HOOVER UK! Took ages to get them to put the ECO-G range on, and even at that there are only 3 models listed - the rest are all at Argos!

If there ONE appliance in my lifetime that has always been made in China and has lasted a long time, it is Black and Decker's humble little dust buster. I don't see anyone moaning about them.
 
cr's reliability survey

At least according to Consumer Reports reliability survey, which is of dubious value, Dyson doesn't have unusually high reliability problems in the US. Their numbers are similar to Kenmore. I've seen Dyson uprights in use at grocery & department stores, skating rinks, and they seem to hold up fairly well.
 
Nar - I don't mind products made in China where they are actually good quality - I have always had B&D Dustbusters, and they are good enough for my needs, but they are cheap - around the £50 mark, so that's OK. What I object to is that I just bought an office chair for £150 that I ordered from an online retailer, and when I got it, and saw it was made in China, I knew what to expect. This chair has been made badly, the construction is shoddy, the backrest has already come apart, and the thing creaks and makes dreadful noises from the metal support assembly under the seat base, where it joins the gas strut. I cant be bothered with the hassle of having to send it back, which is the big problem with online sales, as I then would have no chair for ages while they umm and arr about what to do. Several Vax machines I bought that are made in China have suffered from issues that should have been picked up before leaving the factory, and I read about numerous reports of Chinese made appliances not even switching on when taken out of the box, or breaking down within weeks of first use. Sorry, but China are now too big for their own good, and they just don't care about quality. The workers are poorly paid, and many couldn't give a toss about the users who will buy the products - can you blame them? When these big corporations are making millions off their hard work, but they get paid peanuts, why should the Chinese be bothered about quality?


Too many companies now take advantage of the Chinese, and they will pay the price in the end, as people get fed up of wasting their money on shoddy goods made there that just don't measure up.
 
You know, it always makes me smile when a few people like yourself come out with the Chinese way of what YOU the westerner feels that Chinese people feel the same about.

Firstly, Chinese people or indeed a lot of Asian countries have a completely different way of life. I'm half Asian myself and my ex partner was Chinese- trust me I know what I am talking about.

Their weekly wage, let alone monthly salary is nothing as high as what the minimum rate is in the UK. Monthly salaries on the LOWEST minimum wage is around 1800 yuan, or rather, £177 A MONTH. Can you imagine living on that?? We get double that on Job Seekers alone in the UK.

But then you also have to consider that living in China for the most part is FAR CHEAPER than the UK. We pay more for food, and in actual fact a lot more in general.

On average you won't find a Chinese teenager filling his gob with junk food, let alone having sweets. They do like their sweets but they'd rather bask on fruit or have something more traditional and cheaper to buy than packaged mass franchise goods like chocolate.

The workforce and indeed school children get up at 5am to start the day. They all have their exercise regimes to do before hand. You'd be laughed, if that happened in the UK.

The highest Chinese salary is nigh of £45000 which is what PT/Principal teachers get and medical people amongst others in the UK. That's about the only similarity that we share.

Even when it comes to manufacturing, China don't count quality as being the highest factor UNLESS the manufacturing facility has merged with a GLOBAL brand, and even at that dependent on what the company produce, NOT what they pay the workers, the product is built up, produced and sold.

Traditionally, China as a manufacturing base just copy, imitate and churn out - China have been extremely successful, not helped by the greed of Westerners who since the 1960s have cashed in on the monopoly of production.
 
Well...if you use Benny's calculator link, that machine works out to be £520 as he said...
LG washers currently start at £399, so dependent on the spec you have, Hi-LO, you have to weigh up and see what has moved on with the features, spec etc
 
Nar - I am pointing out that I feel that the Chinese are being exploited to generate massive profits for Western Companies, and indeed some Asian companies. I know that they don't get paid very much, but this is changing is it not - the Chinese now want more of an equal share in the riches of the West. China cannot keep sustaining the extreme growth they are experiencing for ever, and sooner or later their bubble will burst. It happened in America, look at Detroit for an example, and its happened in the UK, where we never had it so good in the 60's but this country has been in decline since the 1980's, when the workers were demanding too much in wages and having strikes that crippled companies. The same could happen in China, and then other up and coming third world countries like India will take China's place as the new global superpower.

[this post was last edited: 3/10/2014-14:23]
 
Well I didn't expect you to "out" me here on the forum so publically, Steve.

And, the Chinese don't want "automatic everything" like they did in the States. Chinese people don't drive that many cars with a population forever using bicycles (pretty much what the Dutch had for many years) - the lifestyle is very different - and with the size of the U.S geographically, one could argue that you really need a car to get around.

The Chinese don't have a high proportion of smart small appliances in their homes either.

India is already producing and from what I can tell, although society there are happy to go premium, they already know that the country will not survive doing what China has done. China has already started to see a shift from a few companies going away from China because it is no longer cheap to produce goods at high prices.

Largely though there were pay strikes, not least equal pay for women workers, automation certainly took care of "screw driver" assembly factory floor jobs, don't forget that. It's not all about manual workers. There's more to it.
 
Sorry Nar - post modified, and I agree with what you say. I guess we will just have to wait and see how it all pans out in the next few decades. Perhaps Great Britain will be "great" again, but I'm not so sure - I feel we've had our share of the glory, now its the up and coming third world countries turn to have a bite at the cherry.
 
No worries. I don't intend to be here for the "next couple of decades." lol, though.

I suspect the future home will have porous carpets with a central vent vacuum built into the floor that sucks the dust "from the bottom of the carpet" rather than ruffling the top fibres, or vents large enough to the sides of hard floors where dust can be swept into a central vac system. I think it has been done already - but as usual the prices ain't cheap to have it fitted into your home.
 
Personally, I do not forsee Dyson going bust in the lifetime of even the youngest person reading this. Not unless they do something very stupid like Hoover did with the free-flights or if James Dyson was to publicly disrespect the people who buy his merchandise. I believe this to be true because irrespective of the price and quality of his cleaners, they are still one of the best on the market, as the quality of all others has systematically diminished year on year.

This is where the likes of Numatic have done well, because rather than rush to compete, they exercised self-belief and quietly plugged away their own style of cleaner which was everything that a Dyson isn't. A whole breed of consumer who has tried all the bells & whistles is now coming back to basics. But that isn't everyone. A good deal are still buying Dyson.

It is when Dyson runs out of new ideas that the problems will start. So the new cleaner needs no filter cleaning? Then what will they have to sell after that?
 
I don't think you need to worry Adam - With all Mr Dyson's billions, he would never see his company go bust. I cant see it happening anyway. I just wish he would return all manufacturing to the UK, seeing as he claims to be an British company.
 
Dyson "Conter-Rotator" washer-not only failures of the drum mechanism-but the machines got a bad reputation for shredding,balling,and tearing clothes from the conterotating drums.So the drums were locked to rotate together as in a conventioanl FL machine-remember this from a discussion about the Dyson washer on the neighboring Applianceville section.James Dyson so reminds me of David Oreck-both invent and innovate things-and push to sell them.
 
Luckily for Dyson, when his washing machine was on sale, the internet was neither as large as it is now, nor did it have the forums or the means to access it so readily (such as on telephones). Had the internet been what it is now, word would soon have got round about the washing machine failures.
 

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