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madabouthoovers
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I note that after it had been kicked down the stairs 3 times, they didn't see if it still worked afterwards.
Also, if the DC07 was anything to go by, when its a few years old and the plastic has gone brittle - I'd like to see how well it survives that fall then - without the plastic shattering.
Whilst the technology looks good, and I'd like to try one out - the price is just far too high.
Some of the Americans have said that £460 in their money is not a lot - well I can assure you in the US that it IS a lot in the UK, where we are deep in the grip of austerity under a vile Conservative Government. Thanks to our Government, more and more employers here are only paying minimum wage now of £6.31 ($10.35) an hour. Rents are on average £700 ($1150) a month. Gasoline costs £6 ($10) a gallon and utilities are astronomically expensive. Most people here just cannot justify paying this much for a vac, and many wont pay more than £100. People in the UK, unless they are the rich, simply don't have this much money to blow on the latest Dyson that will be yesterday's news in a year or so's time when the newer, better DC whatever comes out, costing even more, with even more cyclones.
Also, if the DC07 was anything to go by, when its a few years old and the plastic has gone brittle - I'd like to see how well it survives that fall then - without the plastic shattering.
Whilst the technology looks good, and I'd like to try one out - the price is just far too high.
Some of the Americans have said that £460 in their money is not a lot - well I can assure you in the US that it IS a lot in the UK, where we are deep in the grip of austerity under a vile Conservative Government. Thanks to our Government, more and more employers here are only paying minimum wage now of £6.31 ($10.35) an hour. Rents are on average £700 ($1150) a month. Gasoline costs £6 ($10) a gallon and utilities are astronomically expensive. Most people here just cannot justify paying this much for a vac, and many wont pay more than £100. People in the UK, unless they are the rich, simply don't have this much money to blow on the latest Dyson that will be yesterday's news in a year or so's time when the newer, better DC whatever comes out, costing even more, with even more cyclones.
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The thing which stood out to me was that for all the R&D which they claim goes into the Dyson appliances, their cylinder vacuum cleaners STILL have the blooming small tools clipped to the tubes of the cleaner. Am I alone in finding this a very impractical way of storing the tools (I find they fall off and get in the way of furniture when cleaning is taking place)?
Granted that in a world where everyone else is doing the same I would be the first to argue that Dyson does not have to 'better' this arrangement in order to win the sales, but for the huge retail price these cleaners are commanding, I find it most uncouth & disempowering. Why not a space on the cleaner?
I will confess that I never found the 2-way dusting tool stored on wand of Electrolux cleaners to be particularly useful, as it added extra bulk and weight, but I did think it was practical, with the location well thought out and the design elegant & not at all cheap looking. Contrast this to what Dyson are doing and it never ceases to amaze me how much thought goes into making the cleaner as ugly -sorry, stylish- as possible, yet those cheap tools are shoved on to anywhere they will fit, like some terrible afterthought.
Granted that in a world where everyone else is doing the same I would be the first to argue that Dyson does not have to 'better' this arrangement in order to win the sales, but for the huge retail price these cleaners are commanding, I find it most uncouth & disempowering. Why not a space on the cleaner?
I will confess that I never found the 2-way dusting tool stored on wand of Electrolux cleaners to be particularly useful, as it added extra bulk and weight, but I did think it was practical, with the location well thought out and the design elegant & not at all cheap looking. Contrast this to what Dyson are doing and it never ceases to amaze me how much thought goes into making the cleaner as ugly -sorry, stylish- as possible, yet those cheap tools are shoved on to anywhere they will fit, like some terrible afterthought.
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What Benny says is true - the tools are always tacked on as an afterthought - like some excess baggage. People value these tools, especially the dusting brush and crevice tool, and I find it annoying when they are stored on the hose or wand, where they get knocked off all the while. The Miele S6 series is bad for this as well.
The best design is on the S8 series where they store under a lid on the main unit, and the S8 is half the price of the DC54.
I don't like plastic poles either after trying the DC19 T2, I wasn't impressed with how they flexed when any pressure was put on the floorhead.
I wonder how long it will take for someone to clog one of these vacs up - by say, vacuuming up some damp dust?
The fact that there is no fail safe filter before the motor is asking for trouble if the cyclones DO clog with damp dust, or for some other reason that wasn't "tested" for in the labs.
I can also predict that the upright version of the cinetic - the replacement for the DC41, when it comes, may well breach the £500 barrier, and that will be a milestone reached here in the UK for a plastic vac.
The best design is on the S8 series where they store under a lid on the main unit, and the S8 is half the price of the DC54.
I don't like plastic poles either after trying the DC19 T2, I wasn't impressed with how they flexed when any pressure was put on the floorhead.
I wonder how long it will take for someone to clog one of these vacs up - by say, vacuuming up some damp dust?
The fact that there is no fail safe filter before the motor is asking for trouble if the cyclones DO clog with damp dust, or for some other reason that wasn't "tested" for in the labs.
I can also predict that the upright version of the cinetic - the replacement for the DC41, when it comes, may well breach the £500 barrier, and that will be a milestone reached here in the UK for a plastic vac.
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It may well reach £500 but you will still get people paying that, sadly.
vintagerepairer
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I have been doing some searching.
Looking at prices here: http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?18746
and using this website here: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...tion-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html
it is interesting to see that in 1969 a Hoover 1354 Junior would have cost about £450 in today's money, with the Senior and Convertible well over £600. That is a lot! But after this, prices have continued to drop. Even when the Dyson went on sale in 1993, it was way under £400 in today's money. So this new Dyson DC54 certainly is VERY expensive, and as mentioned, virtually all plastic.
The tools of this new Dyson are not a patch on those which Dyson produced for a good deal of years. My mother had a number of spare dusting brushes which she kept separate for different tasks (her attention to detail prevented her from using any tools on furniture which had been used on floors, and indeed she even had one which she used solely for vacuuming the kitchen surfaces, cupboards, and bread bin), and let me tell you she would not be at all impressed with a fiddly little square of bristles which snapped onto the end of a crevice tool. Nor would she part with her hard earned money for a cleaner which sported such an arrangement.
Looking at prices here: http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?18746
and using this website here: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...tion-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html
it is interesting to see that in 1969 a Hoover 1354 Junior would have cost about £450 in today's money, with the Senior and Convertible well over £600. That is a lot! But after this, prices have continued to drop. Even when the Dyson went on sale in 1993, it was way under £400 in today's money. So this new Dyson DC54 certainly is VERY expensive, and as mentioned, virtually all plastic.
The tools of this new Dyson are not a patch on those which Dyson produced for a good deal of years. My mother had a number of spare dusting brushes which she kept separate for different tasks (her attention to detail prevented her from using any tools on furniture which had been used on floors, and indeed she even had one which she used solely for vacuuming the kitchen surfaces, cupboards, and bread bin), and let me tell you she would not be at all impressed with a fiddly little square of bristles which snapped onto the end of a crevice tool. Nor would she part with her hard earned money for a cleaner which sported such an arrangement.
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The tools that came on the DC04/07/14 were OK and the dusting brush was good too. I prefer the separate tools and particularly the turbo brushes that are good for pet hair on furniture.
Dyson only seems to be for the rich boys now, and those techno geeks who have plenty of money for the latest "toys" - and that's what the DC54 is - a big boys toy. I would be interested to see how many buyers and users of this vac are women, as many women would be happy with a £60 Vax or £100 Henry these days.
Dyson only seems to be for the rich boys now, and those techno geeks who have plenty of money for the latest "toys" - and that's what the DC54 is - a big boys toy. I would be interested to see how many buyers and users of this vac are women, as many women would be happy with a £60 Vax or £100 Henry these days.
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Women
The difference between a man and a woman is that although both are attracted to something new and stylish, when it comes to practical goods, a woman will give up on all the bells and whistles much more quickly as they will simply want to carry out a task and get it over & done with. This is unlike a man, for whom everything he handles has to be able to turn him back into the ten-year-old child he once was.
I lost count of the number of reconditioned Hoover Juniors and Henrys I managed to sell to women who brought in the most elaborate, expensive, and yet problematic, vacuum cleaners for repair. For these women, the novelty of the lights and the features had long worn off when all they were left with was a faulty cleaner which was not capable of carrying out it's most basic core purpose. In my own opinion, based on what I know of women past, they will not be attracted to the features of this new Dyson when they take into account the price of the machine.
However, I must point out I said "women past". I would like to bet that a whole new generation of young lady is (and excuse the pun) likely to get sucked-in to the "technology" which Dyson is turning out.
The difference between a man and a woman is that although both are attracted to something new and stylish, when it comes to practical goods, a woman will give up on all the bells and whistles much more quickly as they will simply want to carry out a task and get it over & done with. This is unlike a man, for whom everything he handles has to be able to turn him back into the ten-year-old child he once was.
I lost count of the number of reconditioned Hoover Juniors and Henrys I managed to sell to women who brought in the most elaborate, expensive, and yet problematic, vacuum cleaners for repair. For these women, the novelty of the lights and the features had long worn off when all they were left with was a faulty cleaner which was not capable of carrying out it's most basic core purpose. In my own opinion, based on what I know of women past, they will not be attracted to the features of this new Dyson when they take into account the price of the machine.
However, I must point out I said "women past". I would like to bet that a whole new generation of young lady is (and excuse the pun) likely to get sucked-in to the "technology" which Dyson is turning out.
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You are indeed right - my mother (who's 68) is not in the slightest interested in new fangled technology - as long as it turns on and cleans the carpet, then that's all she wants it to do. To most women, vacuuming is a chore, and one that they don't particularly relish doing, so a vacuum cleaner is often only brought out when its really needed, and to perform a menial chore. How many sensible and prudent women would want to spend nearly £500 on an object that essentially carries out a boring chore?
Women as I say, will be happy with a 60quid Vax upright as long as it does the vacuuming. End of story.
I'm sure most young women would have things higher up the desirability scale than a vacuum to spend their hard earned dough on - such as food and shelter.
Women are more likely to buy a Dyson DC54 for their boyfriends or hubbys to use. Without any doubt at all, the DC54 is a man's appliance, and those salesmen in Currys will be more likely to demo them to men (With fat wallets) than to women.
Women as I say, will be happy with a 60quid Vax upright as long as it does the vacuuming. End of story.
I'm sure most young women would have things higher up the desirability scale than a vacuum to spend their hard earned dough on - such as food and shelter.
Women are more likely to buy a Dyson DC54 for their boyfriends or hubbys to use. Without any doubt at all, the DC54 is a man's appliance, and those salesmen in Currys will be more likely to demo them to men (With fat wallets) than to women.
I'm excited to see that this technology at least exists. Dyson has been misleading the public for almost 20 years now touting their design never looses suction, when in fact it does since the pre-motor filter clogs fairly easily. Now that issue is out of the equation, and they have a product worth selling. My one concern are those flexible cyclones. If any sort of moisture gets inside them, all the dust will turn to mud, preventing any oscillation and clogging the entire system.
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vintagerepairer, you are spot on.
One Vacuum I don't get is the Miele S8 UniQ. It costs £480 but as far as I can see it has a Spotlight handle, an illuminated Parking System (which I see no need for), a Silence Setting (there are quite a few vacuums that are silent you can buy cheaper), there is also a Velvet Finishing (but I doubt many would notice) & there Automatic Power Controls.
For £480 you don't get any additional floor heads, or tools, just in my opinion a Vacuum that does cost a fair bit than what it should do. Considering the second cheapest Miele on John Lewis is the Miele S8330 for £289.95 & that includes a Turbo Nozzle, Parquet Head & some features like the UniQ such as the Silence Setting.
One Vacuum I don't get is the Miele S8 UniQ. It costs £480 but as far as I can see it has a Spotlight handle, an illuminated Parking System (which I see no need for), a Silence Setting (there are quite a few vacuums that are silent you can buy cheaper), there is also a Velvet Finishing (but I doubt many would notice) & there Automatic Power Controls.
For £480 you don't get any additional floor heads, or tools, just in my opinion a Vacuum that does cost a fair bit than what it should do. Considering the second cheapest Miele on John Lewis is the Miele S8330 for £289.95 & that includes a Turbo Nozzle, Parquet Head & some features like the UniQ such as the Silence Setting.
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Well lets face it, with most of Essex people with their bling, the S8 UniQ is fit for people who like to splash out money on the highest model available.
The S8 UniQ isn't your every day run of the mill vacuum cleaner designed for the masses. How can one spend that much for a suction only vacuum cleaner? Well people are prepared to pay - in the same way they are prepared to pay more for a premium brand any way.
The same kind of thought has for many years, given the average buyer the question of how the SEBO X is so expensive when it uses bags. They don't realise what that vacuum cleaner does in terms of its actual usage and cleaning performance.
The S8 UniQ isn't your every day run of the mill vacuum cleaner designed for the masses. How can one spend that much for a suction only vacuum cleaner? Well people are prepared to pay - in the same way they are prepared to pay more for a premium brand any way.
The same kind of thought has for many years, given the average buyer the question of how the SEBO X is so expensive when it uses bags. They don't realise what that vacuum cleaner does in terms of its actual usage and cleaning performance.
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I don't see the point myself, a Vacuum Cleaner is an appliance to clean your home, it's not a fashion accessory.
keiththomas
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My View a total Rip off and Dyson is becoming complacent. This could be the beginning of the end. Just the same ideas but paying through the noise. After all TVs Etc go down with prices oh but not Dyson. The most I ll spend is £150.00
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Even still £351 is a LOT of money.
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Ah, so knocking £100 "off" already, a clever little marketing ploy to get you to dash out and buy one. Except they never keep any in stock and you have to wait while they get one in from Dyson - AFTER you have paid online for it.
Total con.
Total con.
vintagerepairer
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Well in all of this, what confuses me most is when so very many Dyson owners never cleaned the filters at all, and by that I mean ever, I have to question who the target consumer is for this new self-cleaning filter model? If anything, people who don't maintain the filters and do keep using the cleaner until it sucks no more were, as I saw it, great news for Dyson, as these people would then go and buy a new cleaner.
sebo_fan
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The target audience that perhaps Dyson is trying to pull in are those who feel that cleaning filters is preventing them from buying a Dyson again or new customers who have had to clean filters all the time to prolong the power - pity the prices can't be lowered because I feel that's the area Dyson is simply missing the point from producing.
In my opinion and experience, it doesn't matter that Dyson may well eliminate the need to clean filters - the shroud is still too thin where pet hair will still get stuck up the sides.
That last video in French shows the lady putting her hand into the centre of the filter which is pretty big but what about the thin sides where dust is likely to get clogged? Until Dyson makes a secondary mechanism that physically scrapes the top shrouds where the sides are concerned, thus pushing the dust or scraping off the thin sides to push down into the rest of the dirt at the bottom of the bin, you'll still be inclined to dip your hand into the bin area to remove dust, manually.
Though paper pleated based, the Morphy Richards Endurance bagless vac has an ingenious turn dial scraper that literally scrapes dust off the inner shroud. It doesn't make it completely clean though but at least the bits you'd be inclined to pick off has been scraped off and allowed to fall down. Bosch also have a similar mechanism but Im not sure if it is offered on their latest bagless cylinder vacs..
In short, whilst a self cleaning filter is all very well, its about time Dyson moved on with answering other concerns that the existing dust bin design points to.
In my opinion and experience, it doesn't matter that Dyson may well eliminate the need to clean filters - the shroud is still too thin where pet hair will still get stuck up the sides.
That last video in French shows the lady putting her hand into the centre of the filter which is pretty big but what about the thin sides where dust is likely to get clogged? Until Dyson makes a secondary mechanism that physically scrapes the top shrouds where the sides are concerned, thus pushing the dust or scraping off the thin sides to push down into the rest of the dirt at the bottom of the bin, you'll still be inclined to dip your hand into the bin area to remove dust, manually.
Though paper pleated based, the Morphy Richards Endurance bagless vac has an ingenious turn dial scraper that literally scrapes dust off the inner shroud. It doesn't make it completely clean though but at least the bits you'd be inclined to pick off has been scraped off and allowed to fall down. Bosch also have a similar mechanism but Im not sure if it is offered on their latest bagless cylinder vacs..
In short, whilst a self cleaning filter is all very well, its about time Dyson moved on with answering other concerns that the existing dust bin design points to.
