Best deep cleaner? Kirby or sanitaire?

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well i work in a shop.

dollar for dollar the sanitaire is a better deal when new, they really do groom and clean well, however, they do break fans over a measly coin ocassionally, breaking the base along with it.

Kirby IS the best deep cleaner out there PERIOD, however dollar for dollar they are not as good a deal.

i purposely suck up coins, screws, bolts and what have you to test out its durability (with the modern "kevlar" fan) and the fan has not worn or broken after a few Em-tors full of coins and bolts.
 
I can go along too-the Kirby is the best deep cleaner for home carpets.Royals,Koblentz,and the Sanitaires are next.The Kirbys and Royals just get up the real fine stuff the Sanitaires and others miss.I pass on picking up the hard items like bolts,screws,coins,and such.That is abuse.Someday the fan is going to break-or worse-a hole will appear in the fancase.You would have liked the Royal abuse test-the Royal distribution Rep deliborately sucked several pennies out of his hand with one of the new Royal metal uprights he delivored to a dealer here.Both Bill and I(Bill was the vac shop owner)stated-"that would have destroyed a Kirby fan."The Royal vac suffered only a nick in one blade and another just very slightly bent.The coins were bent over and twisted after recovering them from the dump bag.He used the hose adaptor to pick up the pennies out of hand.The Rep even says that was abuse-but did it to show us how tough their metal fans were.
 
1. Sanitaires have much larger fans with taller and straight

There's need for correction here. The Kirby and Sanitaire fan are virtually the same size, the blades on a Kirby are actually taller at some points. The Kirby fan is a much better built fan in general than the cheap plastic sanitaire.

Nothing against "Bub" but I do encourage you to do some research before making comments.

Please folks, do not post "expert" opinions if you aren't an expert....see pictures below:

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Does any one know what the rpm of the motors are, I'm not a big Kirby fan myself so I don't have that data.


 


Its interesting to see how the sanitaires fan blades are not curved. That right there would lead to less suction but it would be able to handle debris better such as paper clips drawing pins ext.


 


The Kirby fan will move more air as it has a extra blade and therfore more surface area but that also depends on how fast the motor spins 
 
Here's a question that might shine some light on all this. What kind of Sanitaire did that come out of? Was it a Sanitaire Professional series (blue) or a Sanitaire Commercial series (Red)? I believe they actually have different motors and would likely have different impellers as well. Blue Sanitaires are essentially just blue Eurekas and are nothing special but a red one is a serious sweeper.
 
They all take the same fan- that is the clear plastic fan that we put in the Red and Blue lines, the old (original) boss line, and everything in between.

The Kirby fan, of course, is used. It came out of a G5 that we were cannibalizing yesterday.
 
You are wrong, young Josh

2. Posting to the Vacuumland Forum is open to both Vacuum Cleaner Collectors Club members and non-members. However, in both cases, posting is a "privilege" -- NOT a "right."

And if the post is couched in thoughtlessly strident condescending terms meant (or perceived) to belittle and wound, you should not be surprised that it will be questioned (and possibly deleted, if enough persons take issue and report it).

Just sayin'

I read the first 5 posts before I left St Louis for St James. Interesting question.
I was appalled but not surprised at the turn it had taken, when I logged in a few minutes ago. Please, fellers, proofread your posts and intent before hitting 'send'...and turn on the damn Spellchecker every operating system has!! That's what it's for - to create a good impression of one's skills. Remember, this website & the Forums are forever in archives; Twittertweet Face-splats fade and are expunged in the misty-moist fabric of time.

All this in one day? How petty and unnecessary. At least the gentlemen principles have 'kissed and made up'.

Regarding 'experts', accept that some guys do know more than others so please LISTEN and comprehend. Flapping one's gums in outrage never endeared anyone to others.

Daddy Dave
 
Thanks Daddy Dave

Here's a quote I live by:


"Never trust opinions of others placed on the internet. Always test their validity through thorough research offline"- Abraham Lincoln
 
Seen I was the one who started this mess by overreacting I will say the following. 


Yes Dave I do wish I could go back and delete what I said, I acted in hast and anger at a comment that I found offensive.


Yes I do use spell check but as  did say I am dyslecsic and battle badly with spelling I ofetn read my posts through three or four times before posting but didn't that day. Even spell check doesn't pick up every thing.


 


I did appologise to Christopher both here via email but he does have a valid point. Reaserch before you post. I often see info on here and think NO thats not right, but then again I have learnt so much on this forum too.


 


People believe any thing thats on the net especially Utube , I often get customers saying "but on utube it says this" I always respond by saying this " ever watched Mythbusters they would be out of a job if everything on utube was true"


 


this thread started by asking wich is better Sainitare or Kirby I know guys on this forum and off that swear that either one is the best. They are absolutly right because at the end of the day there choice works best for them .


 


I have used sainitares and think they are great , I have used kirby's and thought they cleaned well but I am not a Kirby fan myself ( will not the latest oneany way) and that has to do with other reasons.


 


The end of the day go to a vacuum shop and try out both, then make your choice. Which ever model you find works for you is the best for you if that makes sense


 


Cheers Gareth and I am sorry for making a mess out of this thread.
 
Red and Blue lines...

Sean,

Are you certain the motors in the Red and Blue line Sanitaires are different? I'm fairly new to vacs, but I was under the impression that Red and Blues were the same save for the cord (two prong polarized for the blue, longer commercial-length three prong cord for the red), the color, and some other minor cosmetic differences.

All the other specs appear identical, including motor amperage, CFM, and otherwise. It seems odd to me that they would specify a different motor for the blue line unless it were significantly cheaper.

I tried to look up the parts lists on the Sanitaire site but it required me to be on Explorer to access the info, and I'm in my Touchpad.

Maybe someone who knows for sure could comment? Thanks!
 
Blueline motor...

I was able to download the partslist of the Blueline. While it doesn't give the motor specs, it does give a part number for the motor assembly. It is 53349-7.

I'll need to wait until I get onto Explorer to check the partslist for the Redline. I suspect they may be the same motor unit, but I don't know.

Thanks for putting things right, Gareth. This thread kinda spun out of hand, but it's good we've all cooled down, now. This forum has been a great source of camaraderie and learning for me, and I'm sure for others, too. Let's get back to the good will and good discussion that makes this place tick!
 
Sanitaires generally share the same range of motors (Blenders & Pancakes, and varying amp ratings from I think about 4Amps up to 7Amps), the cheaper end of the Sanitaire range (plastic hoods usually, varies though) generally uses Blender motors, and the shiny end of the range (the chromed hood ones) usually have the Pancake motors... :)

And as for the "what works best" thing, I used to use my Kirbys a lot for cleaning, and have grown up with Kirbys all my life too, then I got a Sanitaire a few years ago, wasn't convinced at first, but doing off-camera pickup tests of my own, I found the sanitaire to do better than any of my Kirbys at the time, they have more airflow and suction than a Kirby, they have better brushroll designs (Distribulator, VibraGroomerI and II), and they have huge bags for better filtration, yeah they haven't got hose tools as standard (and frankly, they're quite abysmal when they do!!), but, that's what a Tristar CXL is for... :P
 
and remember-the fans on Kirby "G" series vacuums changed after the G5-starting with the G6 they were using the "NASA" designed tapered fans-the blades trailing edges were lower towards the outside edge of the fan.And the fancase was tapered internally to match-this design has been used in engine turbochargers for years-and Meile vacuums (Vortech) motors have the tapered fans and fancases.My Tornado wet-dry vacuum has a tapered fan and fancase.So for the Kirby G vacuums two types of fans were used-tapered and non tapered blades.The lower trailing edge blade could less prone to breakage.Of course any fan will break if an object is wedged between the fan blade and fancase.Its just--will the object give in first or the fan?
 
I thought this forum was mainly for vacuum collectors and enthusiasts, not experts... just people who love vacuums... and I don't recall the original poster asking for expert opinions anyway...

I think that the Sanitaires have better, more aggressive agitation (but some would argue that the aggressive agitation can damage carpets), while the Kirbys have better airflow... I like them both equally.
 
Dan  


Your way beyond expert, I think you are one of the most driven collectors I know.


 


I think we are all an expert in our own field. If you like something enough you will learn allot about it and what is an expert? A person who has extreme knowlege on a certain subject. I do not think you have to be an engineer or a vacuum shop owner to be a vacuum expert.


 


The wealth of knowledge that's is on this forum goes beyond expert, take for instance Gottohavehoover ,


If I asked him what color a Hoover 62 is he would be able to tel me what color , trim and date of manufacture that was my point all along. I just went about saying it in the wrong way)If I wanted to know about the orek vacuum i would ask you Dan. If some one wanted to know about dysons they could ask me.


 


Gareth 
 
Revising original post

scvacuumguy--

Good point. I really should have juxtaposed the two fans BEFORE I posted an over-exaggeration about the fans. I was simply recalling from memory, and the Sanitaire fan always seemed somewhat larger to me. I do believe that the fan blades on the Sanitaire are slightly taller, but I hate to say for sure, because my record has apparently taken a turn for the worse. Its hard to tell, but from the picture you posted the Sanitaire fan seems to be slightly larger in diameter, but it is hard to tell when they are side by side. One thing I do know about the vacuums that I do believe helps with the airflow in the Sanitaire is that the gap from fan to fan housing in the Sanitaire seems narrower as opposed to what seems to be a larger gap from fan housing to fan on my G3. (The base on my S661 is NOT a Quick Clean base, so I cannot say about the gap on the Quick Clean models, but I imagine it is similar.)

So, what could settle this and be helpful would be two pictures:
1. Fans from the side to show blade height.
2. One fan on top of the other to show which is larger in diameter.
 
Well this thread has taken the awkward turn or two.

After having owned many kirbys (G6, 3 heritage 1 & 2s, Omega, tradition, 518, d80, heritage 1, Diamond Edition, Ultimate G, G3 etc) and several sanitairs (SC888, S677D, etc)

I have come to learn that with my carpet, a sanitaire always seems to get down deeper, and pull up more stuff than the kirbys could. Especially pet hair.

Now the kirby was no bad cleaner or anything. They do what they do, and are great at it. On many kinds of carpet, they can excel. But my carpet at home, its not quite at its best.
 
Does any body..

Currently own both? Could you stick a carpet sample underneath both machine whilst running as see which draws more air through the carpet and vibrates it more?

Your hand-> the carpet sample-> the cleaner
 

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