Best deep cleaner? Kirby or sanitaire?

[gsheen]

Christopher 


 


My apologies  for starting this , I should have kept my big mouth shut. 


Gareth 

 

[lunchboxsean]

You see! Now some of those brands that gsheen listed we can't find to save our life out here.

AEG, Nilfisk, Karcher, Wap, Vorwerk, Russelhobs, Morphy Richards, Sebo

Most of us on this site are familiar with these brands because of our vac-psychoses but they are either impossible or nearly so to get in America. Not to mention that we don't really get any cool Hoovers over here like the Slolam, etc. Why wouldn't Hoover want to have a competitor to the DC24 in America???

 

[baglessball]

Because its rubbish! Haha! Well, the idea is nice but it's plastic can't take the strain.

Well that's all made for some nice bed time reading.. I feel bad for posting the thread.. Nah mind!

I would well prefer some of the models of vacuum you have in the USA! DC17, mucho jealous! The only thing that stops me getting one of those shipped over is the thought that if I didn't like it, what the hell would I do with it?

I keep reading that sanitaires eat belts? Is this true? I would find that annoying! I'm not a fan of ongoing costs, when I find a vacuum I like I tend to want to use it to clean all family and friends houses. It soon becomes expensive.

I think sanitaires over here have been bought by another company. Perfect I think they are called..

Also we don't have vac shops here! I live in a little village.. With trees and sheep. There is once local electrical store but the only have a few low end cleaners in. Most people round here buy from big department/electrical stores. I think I am the only person here who has a rainbow - Unfortunately as I think it's time her found himself a new home..

 

[Jakesvacs]

Best deep cleaner?

I think some of the best i have tried is the kirby g4 and hoover senior/junior ranges. They do esactly what you want them to do without any fuss. I also dont know why so many people think kirby hose suction is really bad my g4 is just as good as my dyson dc07.
I recently tried a hoover turbopower and dont think you can get much better carpet cleaning wise!!
I hope to be getting a turbopower plus and a turbopower junior soon. Going to pick up the turbopower junior someday this week and awaiting the turbopower plus to be brought out of storage for me.
Gareth; i think that carpet cleaner you made must have been really powerful!

 

[broomvac]

Sanitaire IMO

3 things:

1. Sanitaires have much larger fans with taller and straighter blades than the Kirby G series vacuum fans, similar to what the metal Kirby fans were like, just a little better. The fan moves MUCH more air in the Sanitaire.

2. Sanitaire's VGII brushroll is brutal. Stiffer bristles+beaters makes it better than any Kirby brush could even dream of being, even better than the Kirby Sentria brush and the pet brush.

3. The Sanitaire bag has more surface area than the Kirby bag does, and square inches of surface area is a huge factor when it comes to determining pressures and airflow, so I find that the Sanitaire bag is much less restrictive on airflow than Kirby bags tend to be.

Another thing to note is that both machines have 7 amp 840W motors.

I am no vac shop owner but I have a G3 that I restored along with a Sanitaire S661 that I restored, and have had them for quite some time. I have observed that the Sanitaire simply moves more air and shakes the carpet more, so I find that the bag gains weight MUCH faster than in my Kirby when I use either one as my sole daily driver for a couple of months.

That being said, I find the Kirby more pleasant to use and still the 2nd best deep cleaning vacuuum over the 20+ that I own, so it kind of balances out. Still, in terms of cleaning performance, the Sanitaire wins!

 

[vac_whisperer]

First of all: We have a vacuum shop in my city that actually specializes in Sebo.


 


Anyway, now onto Kirby vs Sanitiatire:


 


You know Im a Kirby buff, but thiis is a pretty fair fight.


What it comes down to is this:


Sanitaire is made for COMMERCIAL cleaning, this means it probably is going to work best on commercial of berber carpet.


 


Kirby is madee for domestic use, (Although I do know places that use Kirbys as industrial vacuums, to clean corridors, offices, etc), this means it will do better on low-high shag, and berber and commercial carpet, and it also is more versatile, but I guess not what this topic is about.


 


All in all, I would have to go with Kirby, being more versatile on different carpets.

 

[lunchboxsean]

I didn't say Sebo didn't exist in America. I said: "they are either impossible or nearly so to get in America". Sorry to be picky, but I have personally owned over 500 vacuums in the last year alone and have never even had the privilege to actually see a Sebo in person. I understand they are phenomenal vacuums and would love to use and likely have one, but unfortunately the nearest dealer is 6 hours away from me... If they are anything like this little Miele I pulled out of the bins at Goodwill, though, I will instantly love them. I just wish the Miele had a PN.

 

[twocvbloke]

I'd say Sanitaire, Blender motor models are good for home use, and should last a long time, but the Pancake motors, being made for commercial use, would last forever in a home environment. And as current disposable-bagged Sanitaire models come with the ST filltube, you can have super-efficient filtration with the Filtrete ST bags, which are a lot bigger than the similar material Kirby bags, probably the biggest disposable bag for an upright vac available...

While I still like them a lot, I do see Kirbys as a "jack of all trades, master of none", all the functions it does are often bettered by other vacs, or power tools, or whatever, but don't get me wrong, they're still pretty cool machines to use and own, just not adecent deep cleaner really, I'm still using the "Kirby" logo background for my messages after all...

 

[joshdonnell]

kirby

i like kirbys better ! i have used both and i personaly like kirbys better. just my two cents

 

[scvacuumguy]

"While I still like them a lot, I do see Kirbys as a "jack of all trades, master of none", all the functions it does are often bettered by other vacs, or power tools, or whatever"


David- you made me laugh out loud with that comment! Thanks, and I plan to use this when people come in asking about Kirby vacs...power tools!!!!

 

[thissucks]

well i work in a shop.

dollar for dollar the sanitaire is a better deal when new, they really do groom and clean well, however, they do break fans over a measly coin ocassionally, breaking the base along with it.

Kirby IS the best deep cleaner out there PERIOD, however dollar for dollar they are not as good a deal.

i purposely suck up coins, screws, bolts and what have you to test out its durability (with the modern "kevlar" fan) and the fan has not worn or broken after a few Em-tors full of coins and bolts.

 

[tolivac]

I can go along too-the Kirby is the best deep cleaner for home carpets.Royals,Koblentz,and the Sanitaires are next.The Kirbys and Royals just get up the real fine stuff the Sanitaires and others miss.I pass on picking up the hard items like bolts,screws,coins,and such.That is abuse.Someday the fan is going to break-or worse-a hole will appear in the fancase.You would have liked the Royal abuse test-the Royal distribution Rep deliborately sucked several pennies out of his hand with one of the new Royal metal uprights he delivored to a dealer here.Both Bill and I(Bill was the vac shop owner)stated-"that would have destroyed a Kirby fan."The Royal vac suffered only a nick in one blade and another just very slightly bent.The coins were bent over and twisted after recovering them from the dump bag.He used the hose adaptor to pick up the pennies out of hand.The Rep even says that was abuse-but did it to show us how tough their metal fans were.

 

[scvacuumguy]

1. Sanitaires have much larger fans with taller and straight

There's need for correction here. The Kirby and Sanitaire fan are virtually the same size, the blades on a Kirby are actually taller at some points. The Kirby fan is a much better built fan in general than the cheap plastic sanitaire.

Nothing against "Bub" but I do encourage you to do some research before making comments.

Please folks, do not post "expert" opinions if you aren't an expert....see pictures below:

 

[gsheen]

Does any one know what the rpm of the motors are, I'm not a big Kirby fan myself so I don't have that data.


 


Its interesting to see how the sanitaires fan blades are not curved. That right there would lead to less suction but it would be able to handle debris better such as paper clips drawing pins ext.


 


The Kirby fan will move more air as it has a extra blade and therfore more surface area but that also depends on how fast the motor spins 

 

[lunchboxsean]

Here's a question that might shine some light on all this. What kind of Sanitaire did that come out of? Was it a Sanitaire Professional series (blue) or a Sanitaire Commercial series (Red)? I believe they actually have different motors and would likely have different impellers as well. Blue Sanitaires are essentially just blue Eurekas and are nothing special but a red one is a serious sweeper.

 

[scvacuumguy]

They all take the same fan- that is the clear plastic fan that we put in the Red and Blue lines, the old (original) boss line, and everything in between.

The Kirby fan, of course, is used. It came out of a G5 that we were cannibalizing yesterday.

 

[joshdonnell]

Kirby

Doesnt matter if we are not all experts we still have the right to voice our opinions

 

[gsheen]

 

[aeoliandave]

You are wrong, young Josh

2. Posting to the Vacuumland Forum is open to both Vacuum Cleaner Collectors Club members and non-members. However, in both cases, posting is a "privilege" -- NOT a "right."

And if the post is couched in thoughtlessly strident condescending terms meant (or perceived) to belittle and wound, you should not be surprised that it will be questioned (and possibly deleted, if enough persons take issue and report it).

Just sayin'

I read the first 5 posts before I left St Louis for St James. Interesting question.
I was appalled but not surprised at the turn it had taken, when I logged in a few minutes ago. Please, fellers, proofread your posts and intent before hitting 'send'...and turn on the damn Spellchecker every operating system has!! That's what it's for - to create a good impression of one's skills. Remember, this website & the Forums are forever in archives; Twittertweet Face-splats fade and are expunged in the misty-moist fabric of time.

All this in one day? How petty and unnecessary. At least the gentlemen principles have 'kissed and made up'.

Regarding 'experts', accept that some guys do know more than others so please LISTEN and comprehend. Flapping one's gums in outrage never endeared anyone to others.

Daddy Dave

 

[scvacuumguy]

Thanks Daddy Dave

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