Best deep cleaner? Kirby or sanitaire?

[baglessball]

I'm wondering which is better as a deep cleaner? I would like to know your experiences with the machines, airflow and brush aggitation?

I own a few kirbys. Never used a sanitaire! So wondering whether it's time I invested or saved my pennies!

Cheers guys!

 

[gsheen]

Oooh you want to start a war of words hehe 


 


I.d go with the sanitaire, but thats my opinion , what I would suggest is that you go to a vacuum shop and try out a few machines , give the shop a good vacuum them make p your mind, what I like is not what you may like , Both machines give good suction and should last a while so go and try them out and then make up your mind

 

[tolivac]

I would say either-but try to use them on your flooring AT HOME before making the final decision.most vacuum stores will let you take a machine home to try it.

 

[scvacuumguy]

Try going to a vacuum shop. You can speak to guys who know what they are talking about, and like Tolivac said- you can take it home and try it. You will find that on here, there are really no "experts" in the field- just enthusiasts that are highly obsessed or opinionated about one or a few brands.

Your local vacuum shop is the resource to go to to actually find an experienced voice.

 

[redgeminipa]

Honestly? I've always been a Kirby guy, but I must admit, I'm blown away by the new Rainbow. That's next on my future purchase list.

 

[gsheen]

Scvacuumguy


 


Be vary carefull what you say about no experts,  there are a few vacuum shop owners on this forum and many other who have much greater intellect than you could possibly have 


 


I my self am a mechanical engineer, I have designed vacuums for and worked on design projects for a number of well known vacuum company's including large built in vacuum systems IE in huge factories.


 


I have developed and manufacture my own brand of heavy duty vacuum cleaners for sucking up acidic water when resurfacing terricaota and other hard flooring


 


At the moment we run a vacuum shop that specialises in top brands and budget machines ,


I also have a engineering consultancy that tests prototypes of vacuums that are to be sold on our shores. We also build truck mount carpet cleaning machines 


 


I and a number of other members on this forum  probibly know more about vacuum, vortex, suction, air flow, and the entire set up of a vacuum than you will ever know in your entire life.


Keep your comments to your self


 


One other thing a vacuum shop is going to want to sell you there particular brand so asking people who are Obsessed as you put it about a vacuum they use is a good way to get an idea of how good it is , Would you go to a Chevy dealer and ask him how good a Honda is, NO  You would ask some one who OWNS one 


 

 

[scvacuumguy]

I am well aware that there are vac store owners on here- myself included. There are also a lot of very non-expert people who are highly opinionated on here. They hold about as much value as a box of rocks. I am very glad that in your busy engineering world and prototype testing world you find time to run a vacuum store out of your garage.

 

[scvacuumguy]

gsheen

"I and a number of other members on this forum probibly know more about vacuum, vortex, suction, air flow, and the entire set up of a vacuum than you will ever know in your entire life.
Keep your comments to your self"

Ahh, I missed your blatant attack towards me...before I correct your spelling and all that good stuff, I'm simply going to ask that you post a picture of your manufacturing facility and some of your designed machines that you produce.

Concerning my knowledge of vacuum cleaners and vacuum stores- I guarantee my store grosses a lot more than your garage

 

[gsheen]

 How did you know I work from my garage , wow you must be psychic  hehe, seriously I do technically work from home my self, though the old garage does just that stores my cars ( go figure )  I am privileged to have a really big home and I bought the house in front of mine too to turn into a business as I was sick of paying just over $6000.00 a month in rent , yep Cape Town property is expensive.


I love working from home plus there is more space and I own the building.


We have a fully functioning show room, a repair shop to die for and the testing facility's.


We also have a smaller satelight store in Cape town itself and a factory in an industrial area in epping, we share this facility with a roto molding company who produces our molds.


 


As for my spelling My  apologies , I am dyslexic  and I still battle with it after all these years so my apologies for you having to correct my spelling.  


 


Yes "your store" (Do you actually own it or just work there)(I own mine debt free too) probably does gross more income than I do , you do after all live in the USA were there are allot more customers but we do just fine enough for me to enjoy life and afford jsut about any thing I want to have. 


 


I will happily post some pics of what I have designed, if you can wai a few months I can even post some pics of what I am busy with now but its not released yet.


 


My attack was aimed at you as you attacked every one of us who does know what we are talking about.


 

 

[scvacuumguy]

I own my store- check it out on manta.com, we even have a (crappy) website that is in the process of being overhauled, vacuums-etc.com. You will notice that it is owned by parent company, Buddy Nash Holdings, LLC. I am the owner of the holdings company that owns the store. We employ 6 people. 2 repairmen (not including myself), 1 salesman (not including myself), 1 CV estimator and installer, and 1 assistant for me to do books and stuff for my holdings company. I'd love for you to come visit sometime when you are in the US on engineering business. We have been in business for over 40 years now.

I kind of figured you would not have any pictures of your facility. Then again, you sure do spend a ton of time talking, but not ever showing to back things up. I think at your age, you feel like you have a good bit to prove. Really, it doesn't take much to know more than the guys on here. I've been in the vacuum field since I was 14. A number of guys on the forum know me in person and via phone- I've sold products to several and given advice to several over the phone as well.

I'm not sure what you are asking me to prove, be it my knowledge, or my store. I was simply making a comment that most people realize on here that there are very few "expert" opinions.

Sorry for your dyslexia. I am a members of PDA People against Dyslexia. I hope your issue doesn't affect your great designs and prototype making that you claim to do constantly. If you were as good of an engineer as you claim to be- Im not even sure why you would have the time to do all of these repairs out of your garage. Guess you can chalk it up to the economy :-(

 

[scvacuumguy]

I am going to withdraw from this pi$$ing match until you can come up with some photos or websites to back up what you are saying. Until then, you are just an anonymous guy who loves to talk about himself working out of his house repairing vacuums.

 

[gsheen]

I have two techs working for me aswell , I have always wanted to get into domestic central vacuums but never had the chance plus most houses out here are brick or concrete  which makes the instillation cost very high. we get beam here as well as a few others but on average it costs $ 11000.00 to fit one , its insane.


 


I only do some designing these days , not allot mainly small things like redesingning motor mounts to accept newer( Cheaper ) motors for one or two companysthat still produce models in SA 


 


I have attached a photo of one Electrolux wet&dry that i helped to develope with other people when I woked at Electrolux cape town , Its a team effort 


 


Most of my designing had to do with adapting motors to fit machines and the study of air flow and so on, I spent most of my time developing air flow chambers, and slip streaming the air flow, Its amazing how 2mm can change a vacuums suction from good to fantastic.


 


I saw your website , not that crappy ours is almost finished what fun that has been.


 


I will happily send you pics when I can find some, I looked at some now but they have machines that have not been released on our market yet. a number of years ago I did proper designing but now its more testing and improving products for our market. things can take a bit o a bashing in SA. 


 


I am a workaholic and I suffer from a form of insomnia so I don't sleep much. I love what I do and I miss working on the machines my self allot. 


 


I do not do any engineering projects outside of SA as I said its a small part of my business, but I would love to come over and see your place, I love learning and you are obviously quiet knowledgeable 


 


 


 


As for asking you to prove any thing i am not , Your comment was there is really No expert opinion on here. there is so you were wrong in saying that thinking that you are the only one who is an expert.


 


I have no problem with you your self I enjoy your point of view some times but you need to realise that you are not the only one who is an expert.

 

[hoovercelebrity]

I'm warning both of you...

This is unwanted drama on VacuumLand. Cut it out. If you want to bicker about who knows what, take it to your own email.

Fred

 

[gsheen]

The very  first truck mount carpet cleaner I built , beast of a machine , used a toyota 1.6l 4 cyclinder engine from a 2002 corrola to rum the water and vacuum pumps. sucked so well it crushed a 55g drum when I was testing its suction, the noise was horrendous   

 

[gsheen]

sorry Fred only saw your post after I posted this .

 

[gsheen]

I apologies for offending any one on the forum including Christopher


 


Gareth  

 

[lunchboxsean]

From my experience, both of you guys are very knowledgeable and helpful people. I have only been in the vacuum sales/repair world for a short time and both of you have helped me many times and I appreciate it. To most people commenting on this, I would bring to attention that gsheen is located in Cape Town, South Africa and many brands can be very difficult to impossible to get down there. What I do know of his experience is that his business is a professional outfit and that they are either the only or one of a very few authorized warranty repair facilities in South Africa for Dyson. That alone is enough for me to believe that he knows what he is talking about.

In my opinion, the Kirby is a better deep cleaner than many Sanitaires simply because I am not a fan of the beater bar strategy and I find Kirby brush rolls to be very very good. I do, however, own a nice Sanitaire myself, and applaud it for it's simplicity, durability, ease of use and especially for its noise level. The Sanitaires I have used have always been very quiet and even the noise they do make is a nice low tone that is not like the shrieking that many vacs do.

For the record, I am one of those non-professional opinionated enthusiasts, and I do have a penchant for a couple brands, Kirby, Fantom, etc. I don't think, though, that this doesn't mean I can't contribute to conversation and I even like to think that I make a good point every now and then.

Thank you both for your help in the past and look forward to good conversation in the future. I hope I haven't ruffled too many feathers.

 

[gsheen]

Thank you , I think I just got carried away a bit , yes we are the only official dyson repair agent in SA but thats neither here nor there. I was arrogant and I apologise.


 


many brands are very difficult to get here . we get


 


Electrolux ( eureka to you guys ) 1 upright  6 canister


AEG ( electrolux to you guys ) 6 models all canister


samsung 2 uprights 4 canisters


dyson 2 uprights 2 canisters


LG ( what you guys call hoover , well some of it)


Nilfisk canisters


Karcher wet&dry 


wap wet& dry


Hoover ( cheap rubbish not even tti) canisters 1 upright


Bissell 3 uprights 3 canisters 3 deep cleaners 


vorwerk 1 model


Kirby 


Rainbow 


Russelhobs 2 canisters 


Morphy Richards 3 canisters


Miele 2 uprights 6 canisters if you can find them


sebo 7 uprights sold in one store in the whole of Cape Town


 


there are some other brands but much cheaper Chinese imports.  


 

 

[scvacuumguy]

With a pic like that Sean, who could get their feathers even remotely ruffled