Before you dump the Rainbow bin down your plumbing--pick out the large peices and wads of lint-hair.Does your place use a septic tank-if so dump the bin outside-plant beds is a good place-been doing that with any of my Rainbows.
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If you have the kids use the vacuum for their duty rosters-be sure they know how to use it and empty it properly-and WHEN to empty it.A woman brought a FILTHY-NASTY Dyson into the Vac place my way-the kids had been using it--the machine was loaded with dust and dirt-and STANK.At one point the little helpers dumpted the machine and let the seal for the large cyclone in the bin go into the trash--result dirt all throughout the vacuum-The machine was so bad---it was dumpstered.She bought another Dyson-used one-and vowed NOT to let her kids use it.
and another vac store episode-A woman brought in a REALLY PACKED Kirby G6-the paper bag was burst inside the cloth one-shows the "packing" power of these machines-The bag was hard as a brick.The kids did not know how to change the bag-the Mom was ill for a few months and the kids "helpted" with the chores.The vacuum could STILL pick up despite the stuffed bags.the fill tube was not clogged.
and another vac store episode-A woman brought in a REALLY PACKED Kirby G6-the paper bag was burst inside the cloth one-shows the "packing" power of these machines-The bag was hard as a brick.The kids did not know how to change the bag-the Mom was ill for a few months and the kids "helpted" with the chores.The vacuum could STILL pick up despite the stuffed bags.the fill tube was not clogged.
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I Gotta Say:
Bagless vacuums are not the only ones that can be abused far beyond all reasonable limits.
My Lux Diamond Jubilee was found in a thrift store, marked $2.02 because "it don't pick up nothin'", according to the employee who was putting it out.
I opened it up and immediately found why "it don't pick up nothin'." It had a bag so full it was like handling a tiny bag of Sakrete, and the hose was solidly packed as well. Dog hair and sand - yecch!
I bought it, changed the bag and reamed out the hose. It's been working like a champ ever since. Miraculously, the motor was not harmed; the sleeve bearings in a DJ are not the longest-lived design Electrolux ever came up with.
Bagless vacuums are not the only ones that can be abused far beyond all reasonable limits.
My Lux Diamond Jubilee was found in a thrift store, marked $2.02 because "it don't pick up nothin'", according to the employee who was putting it out.
I opened it up and immediately found why "it don't pick up nothin'." It had a bag so full it was like handling a tiny bag of Sakrete, and the hose was solidly packed as well. Dog hair and sand - yecch!
I bought it, changed the bag and reamed out the hose. It's been working like a champ ever since. Miraculously, the motor was not harmed; the sleeve bearings in a DJ are not the longest-lived design Electrolux ever came up with.
Sadly, that isn't the first time I've heard of somebody using a Vacuum Cleaner until the bag is 100% full and dirt it starting to collect in the hose.
I fill my bags to half way, then change them - Which is what everybody should do, as once a bag gets fuller than half way, it puts a strain on the motor, and will start to cause extra wear.
Even bags that say "Can Be Used Twice" I throw away after the first use, as I just don't trust a bag that has already been filled once to still give me the same air flow as a new one would.
For the price of a new bag, compared to the price of a new motor, it just isn't worth it.
I'm not surprised at all though that the Electrolux's motor wasn't damaged by being ran with a full bag, because, simply, it is an Electrolux!
Nothing Sucks Like An Electrolux!
I fill my bags to half way, then change them - Which is what everybody should do, as once a bag gets fuller than half way, it puts a strain on the motor, and will start to cause extra wear.
Even bags that say "Can Be Used Twice" I throw away after the first use, as I just don't trust a bag that has already been filled once to still give me the same air flow as a new one would.
For the price of a new bag, compared to the price of a new motor, it just isn't worth it.
I'm not surprised at all though that the Electrolux's motor wasn't damaged by being ran with a full bag, because, simply, it is an Electrolux!
Nothing Sucks Like An Electrolux!
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I fill my bags to half way, then change them - Which is what
I usually pack the vacuum bag as full as I can and have never had a problem. My Panasonic 40 series vacuums will retain strong suction and good performance until the bag is about 3/4 full. Same with the Electrolux 616. My Henry keeps strong suction until the bag is almost full, but only if I use the HEPAflo bags.
The Sebo, however, keeps on picking up flawlessly, even with a full bag. Infact, the bag full indicator doesn't start flashing until the dirt is coming up through the hose. The bags on my Miele S5281 and on my Dad's S2110 can really be crammed full before the suction drops.
I usually pack the vacuum bag as full as I can and have never had a problem. My Panasonic 40 series vacuums will retain strong suction and good performance until the bag is about 3/4 full. Same with the Electrolux 616. My Henry keeps strong suction until the bag is almost full, but only if I use the HEPAflo bags.
The Sebo, however, keeps on picking up flawlessly, even with a full bag. Infact, the bag full indicator doesn't start flashing until the dirt is coming up through the hose. The bags on my Miele S5281 and on my Dad's S2110 can really be crammed full before the suction drops.
Yes, the bags can take it - Of course they can if they are of good quality, but over time, the strain the motor is having to put up with to keep the suction up with the packed bag will end in a break down.
If the motor is a durable one, the break down will take a long time to become apparent, but it will still happen one day. Maybe tomorrow, maybe next year, or maybe in the next decade, but it WILL happen if you keep filling your bags until the motor is working very hard to keep going with the amount of air flow restriction the full bag is putting on it.
I never trust a "FULL BAG" indicator, as they always come on too late in my opinion.
I once ran my '94 HOOVER Turbopower 1000 without changing the bag just to see when the full bag indicator lit, and when it did, the bag was 2-3CM from being filled to the top.
I don't know why Vacuum Cleaners even have bag full indicators to be honest, because by the time they come on you are way past the recommended bag change interval.
The only good thing about the indicator is that it tells you when you have a blockage in the hose pipe/inlet passage, and even then it is superfluous in my opinion, as it is usually obvious if there is a blockage bad enough to set the indicator off.
If the motor is a durable one, the break down will take a long time to become apparent, but it will still happen one day. Maybe tomorrow, maybe next year, or maybe in the next decade, but it WILL happen if you keep filling your bags until the motor is working very hard to keep going with the amount of air flow restriction the full bag is putting on it.
I never trust a "FULL BAG" indicator, as they always come on too late in my opinion.
I once ran my '94 HOOVER Turbopower 1000 without changing the bag just to see when the full bag indicator lit, and when it did, the bag was 2-3CM from being filled to the top.
I don't know why Vacuum Cleaners even have bag full indicators to be honest, because by the time they come on you are way past the recommended bag change interval.
The only good thing about the indicator is that it tells you when you have a blockage in the hose pipe/inlet passage, and even then it is superfluous in my opinion, as it is usually obvious if there is a blockage bad enough to set the indicator off.
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The Reason....
....That "Full Bag" indicators are set to trigger so late is this:
Vacuum manufacturers also sell bags, and if the indicator was set to trip when it was in the best interests of motor life, you'd have a gazillion complaints from consumers, claiming they were being ripped off by being made to purchase bags too frequently. Remember that most consumers want to get every last trillionth of a cent's worth of service out of a disposable bag; it never occurs to them that bags are wayyyyyyyyy cheaper than motors.
And obviously, this goes along with the other reason it's in the manufacturer's best interest to fill the bag: it promotes faster motor wear, meaning the manufacturer will get to sell another vacuum that much sooner.
For myself, I change bags monthly, no matter how little is in the bag. That keeps me well away from the point where a full bag could promote any wear, and it also keeps the vac smelling better, since I'm not storing old dust for a long time.
....That "Full Bag" indicators are set to trigger so late is this:
Vacuum manufacturers also sell bags, and if the indicator was set to trip when it was in the best interests of motor life, you'd have a gazillion complaints from consumers, claiming they were being ripped off by being made to purchase bags too frequently. Remember that most consumers want to get every last trillionth of a cent's worth of service out of a disposable bag; it never occurs to them that bags are wayyyyyyyyy cheaper than motors.
And obviously, this goes along with the other reason it's in the manufacturer's best interest to fill the bag: it promotes faster motor wear, meaning the manufacturer will get to sell another vacuum that much sooner.
For myself, I change bags monthly, no matter how little is in the bag. That keeps me well away from the point where a full bag could promote any wear, and it also keeps the vac smelling better, since I'm not storing old dust for a long time.
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"I'm not surprised at all though that the Electrolux's motor wasn't damaged by being ran with a full bag, because, simply, it is an Electrolux!"
Jamie:
On this side of the pond, the Electrolux Diamond Jubilee - and some later models - were notorious for bearing failure; a sleeve bearing was used that proved less durable than previous designs.
That's why I was amazed such an abused vacuum did not have a motor that was burnt-out, or about to be.
Jamie:
On this side of the pond, the Electrolux Diamond Jubilee - and some later models - were notorious for bearing failure; a sleeve bearing was used that proved less durable than previous designs.
That's why I was amazed such an abused vacuum did not have a motor that was burnt-out, or about to be.
Ah, I see what you mean Sandy!
I don't change my bags monthly, as I use those "Vac Fresheners" which keep everything smelling of roses (literally), but I do check it after every two or three uses and change when it gets to or just below half full.
I don't change my bags monthly, as I use those "Vac Fresheners" which keep everything smelling of roses (literally), but I do check it after every two or three uses and change when it gets to or just below half full.
Bagless
Hi All,
Ok, this is my first post on this forum. I just found it because I'm poking around on the web to find a bagless vacuum.
I've been using a Kirby Ultimate G for the past 10+ years and now want to find a bagless.
My main reason hasn't been shared yet: with a bagless you can empty the dirt right away and it doesn't sit around.
With a bag, you have the dirt sitting in there until you toss the bag.
I have pet rats. They scatter their litter and raisins (which is a nice way of saying poop pellets) on the floor. I'm very reluctant to vacuum this up unless I'm about to toss the bag because I'm afraid that if the litter sits in the bag, every time I vacuum and hot air passes through, I'll get that smell.
You laugh, but the last few times I vacuumed, there was a strong smell of chocolate. I finally realized I had previously sucked up a couple of chocolate coffee beans.
So I'm looking for a bagless so I can vacuum and dump out what I picked up.
I'm going to keep searching this forum to see what people recommend. I'm leaning towards a Dyson. I've had a Fantom in the past (well, the Sears equivalent which was the same vacuum with a different name) before my Kirby.
Hi All,
Ok, this is my first post on this forum. I just found it because I'm poking around on the web to find a bagless vacuum.
I've been using a Kirby Ultimate G for the past 10+ years and now want to find a bagless.
My main reason hasn't been shared yet: with a bagless you can empty the dirt right away and it doesn't sit around.
With a bag, you have the dirt sitting in there until you toss the bag.
I have pet rats. They scatter their litter and raisins (which is a nice way of saying poop pellets) on the floor. I'm very reluctant to vacuum this up unless I'm about to toss the bag because I'm afraid that if the litter sits in the bag, every time I vacuum and hot air passes through, I'll get that smell.
You laugh, but the last few times I vacuumed, there was a strong smell of chocolate. I finally realized I had previously sucked up a couple of chocolate coffee beans.
So I'm looking for a bagless so I can vacuum and dump out what I picked up.
I'm going to keep searching this forum to see what people recommend. I'm leaning towards a Dyson. I've had a Fantom in the past (well, the Sears equivalent which was the same vacuum with a different name) before my Kirby.
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Jamie:
That having been said, a Diamond Jubilee in good repair will suck the dried paint off a wall. My DJ has the highest suction of any of my vacuums, including my TriStar CXL, though the CXL is very close, without the jet-fighter whine of the DJ.
That having been said, a Diamond Jubilee in good repair will suck the dried paint off a wall. My DJ has the highest suction of any of my vacuums, including my TriStar CXL, though the CXL is very close, without the jet-fighter whine of the DJ.
I like bags but . . .
I have a Miele Capricorn and over the last three years it's become a pretty good friend of mine. However, I could live without the twenty bucks a pop for just four genuine high-filtration bags. Online or brick and mortar, they price the same wherever I've looked. There are lesser bags made for this machine but their purchase would defeat the purpose I bought the cleaner for the first place. Sears and Hoover appear to be following suit as they've models for which the price of high filtration bags is two for ten dollars.
Filter Queen got me a lot of bang for the buck by way of capacity but I've also owned Rexairs and Rainbows. Because everything picked up was already wet down, there was no dust to fly around come time to empty them. You flushed sweepings down the john, washed out the water pan and separator. The washing up and storage issues were of course an annoyance but necessary to keep one clean and running properly. The maintenance regimen plus their bulk and weight didn't encourage their use.
Last year I did in-store demos for LG and came to like the Luv200, 300 and 400 models a lot. They were relatively easy to maintain and cleaned well. I'm trying not to but I'm taking a fancy to LG's new LuV350. However, in the end I'll probably end up with a refurb Kirby -- big disposable bags -- just because it has a blower.
I have a Miele Capricorn and over the last three years it's become a pretty good friend of mine. However, I could live without the twenty bucks a pop for just four genuine high-filtration bags. Online or brick and mortar, they price the same wherever I've looked. There are lesser bags made for this machine but their purchase would defeat the purpose I bought the cleaner for the first place. Sears and Hoover appear to be following suit as they've models for which the price of high filtration bags is two for ten dollars.
Filter Queen got me a lot of bang for the buck by way of capacity but I've also owned Rexairs and Rainbows. Because everything picked up was already wet down, there was no dust to fly around come time to empty them. You flushed sweepings down the john, washed out the water pan and separator. The washing up and storage issues were of course an annoyance but necessary to keep one clean and running properly. The maintenance regimen plus their bulk and weight didn't encourage their use.
Last year I did in-store demos for LG and came to like the Luv200, 300 and 400 models a lot. They were relatively easy to maintain and cleaned well. I'm trying not to but I'm taking a fancy to LG's new LuV350. However, in the end I'll probably end up with a refurb Kirby -- big disposable bags -- just because it has a blower.
I never buy genuine bags, unless I can get them really cheap, like I did at my local recycling store when they had two packs of genuine HOOVER bags for my Turbopower really cheap.
Otherwise, I log onto eBay, and buy the cheapest (usually Electropart or Qualtex) bags I can, which have never given me any problems nor performed any worse in suction or air filtration opposed to the genuine manufacturers bags.
Otherwise, I log onto eBay, and buy the cheapest (usually Electropart or Qualtex) bags I can, which have never given me any problems nor performed any worse in suction or air filtration opposed to the genuine manufacturers bags.
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Has to be bagless, dyson preferably.
I don't like having to buy bags, or relying on people having some spares (I used to be a cleaner) or when they burst!
Cleaning up after lots of pets and using bags is costly (especially the good synthetic material) and smelly.
It used to kill me to clean somebody's house who had a liking for talcum powder, that would be the last ro to clean as it would choke the suction.
I completely understand why people like them though.
I like seeing what I've picked up too, it gives me great satisfaction. Like when you wash down your all your wood work and then pour away the dirty water.
I always empty outside and push the canister to the bottom of the bin and wipe down the canister. Keep a spare filter (I can't be without a machine!) and toss the filters in the washer on a gentle wash. They come up like new. (I wouldnt try this with a pleated filter mind..)
I don't like having to buy bags, or relying on people having some spares (I used to be a cleaner) or when they burst!
Cleaning up after lots of pets and using bags is costly (especially the good synthetic material) and smelly.
It used to kill me to clean somebody's house who had a liking for talcum powder, that would be the last ro to clean as it would choke the suction.
I completely understand why people like them though.
I like seeing what I've picked up too, it gives me great satisfaction. Like when you wash down your all your wood work and then pour away the dirty water.
I always empty outside and push the canister to the bottom of the bin and wipe down the canister. Keep a spare filter (I can't be without a machine!) and toss the filters in the washer on a gentle wash. They come up like new. (I wouldnt try this with a pleated filter mind..)
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I prefer bagged. The only bagless I like is Rainbow. The Epic 6500 is bags are super cheap & easy to change. I always change them WAY before they even look full because I can tell it loses some suction. There's nothing like putting a fresh bag in and feeling that power, but it never seems to last. The suction remains decently strong but I can always tell it's never as good as when the brand new bag was put in.
The LAST dry bagless I had was a Fantom Fury in the Late 90s & I hated it with a white hot purple pink passion. You could see dust collecting all over the OUTSIDE of the machine and emptying it was what I hated most because of dust flying all over. I think I'd like a DYSON but you've never going to get away with emptying it and dust flying.
The LAST dry bagless I had was a Fantom Fury in the Late 90s & I hated it with a white hot purple pink passion. You could see dust collecting all over the OUTSIDE of the machine and emptying it was what I hated most because of dust flying all over. I think I'd like a DYSON but you've never going to get away with emptying it and dust flying.
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"I always empty outside and push the canister to the bottom of the bin and wipe down the canister. Keep a spare filter and toss the filters in the washer on a gentle wash"
And you find that easier than just tossing a bag into the bin and putting a new one in? Sounds like an awfully messy, unhygienic process to me.
And you find that easier than just tossing a bag into the bin and putting a new one in? Sounds like an awfully messy, unhygienic process to me.
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I wouldn't be able to see what I've picked up that way!!
I'm happy for that extra bit of maintenance if it means I don't have to buy bags. I just personally find them inefficient.
Lets be honest though, putting a wash on and having a having a damp cloth to hand really isn't a strainuous though is it?
How often do you wipe your cleaners down?
I'm happy for that extra bit of maintenance if it means I don't have to buy bags. I just personally find them inefficient.
Lets be honest though, putting a wash on and having a having a damp cloth to hand really isn't a strainuous though is it?
How often do you wipe your cleaners down?
@baglessball I don't agree. Bags rarely burst - For my whole life my mother has used bagged cleaners and never ONCE has a bag burst or lost suction after vacuuming up any kind of fine powder.
Bags FTW!
Fill the bag to half way, pull it out, throw it in the bin, put a new one in - Simples!
And no dust getting into the air.
Bags FTW!
Fill the bag to half way, pull it out, throw it in the bin, put a new one in - Simples!
And no dust getting into the air.
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