"Automatic" brush height adjustment

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Alex,

You're not even reading what I'm saying, are you? Figures.

I never said it wasn't appropriate to bring it up. But reading the title, by your own admission, you should've KNOWN it would come up. And yet, the minute someone utters the word "Sebo", you're in there like the vacuum section of the SAS ready to brand-bash.

As I said, you don't even have anything relevant to offer to this thread, other than your Sebo dislike, which wasn't and is never done in a constructive manner. If you *know* that the X series is going to come into the conversation, why do you bother even reading it? You've got nothing of any worth to say, so why waste your energy? Your comment above is a perfect example:

"Whenever I hear "Automatic X series" I hear screaming down my ears using one of those can near enough make my blood boil."

WHAT is the point in posting THAT?

See, there you go again - "this is what I think, therefore I'm right, you're wrong and everybody else should think the same thing as me". I completely disagree with you, I think the Sebo Automatic X system works great and the reason it's light to use is because the brushroll is at the correct height and not one that's too low and creates resistance, making the cleaner difficult to push. I've found it leaves lovely track marks in the carpet and brings the pile up nicely. So, by my opinion being completely different to yours, that automatically (no pun intended) makes it subjective.

Also, it is always YOU that manages to turn anything Sebo related into a discussion about how much better you think the Turbopower 1 & 2 are than anything modern. Always. It's pretty much guarunteed. You even did it just then - was any mention of the Turbopower made AT ALL during this thread? And yet, you have to bring it up.

Broken record.
 
sebo_fan - if you are looking for the best manual adjustment vac then its got to be the Kirby, with the toe touch ratchet mechanism. They are extremely convenient to use, with no bending down at all, and with the tech drive models, none are hard to push, allowing the head to go really low to the carpet.
 
Yes but had you not mentioned your instant response of negativity, we wouldn't be going down this road.

Also you didn't mention the 600 w rated models of the Contour in your initial post. Now of course you develop your answer.

Also this original thread talks about upright performance, brush roll and auto adjustment. There is no reference to usage of a hose.
 
Well this has escalated quickly

Not all manufactures do this but a lot of them do. More to the point, I think its pushing it a bit when they claim to be "suitable for all floors", when you have a vacuum that you can't turn the brush bar off, for example.

Manual height adjustment is the best to be honest. The X1 is a good vacuum and it performs well, but not on the thicker carpets. However the felix and the powerhead cylinders (which as we know use the same head) do a much better job as you have 4 positions.

Would also like to point out, I had a Miele S7 allergy model, the white one, and I honestly do not think it deep cleaned or groomed my thicker carpets as well as my felix. It used to bunny hop (I think its called) over the carpets.

P.S - Try and keep this civil guys. We are not debating a new world order here :/
 
Following my post above and Alex's most recent post....

It's quite obvious, Alex, that you're in a little world of your own and having your own conversation with yourself, so I'm not even going to bother having this conversation with you anymore. You've managed to twist a perfectly reasonable conversation about auto height adjustment into a discussion about the performance of a Contour vs a Sebo, the benefits of dirty fan over clean air and the history of Hoover's plastic uprights in 1 post out of absolutely NOWHERE.

I do hope the conversation in your head doesn't start to disagree with you.
 
Seems its not just me Turby hates then Alex - he was extremely rude and insensitive towards me yesterday which ended up getting my thread removed. Not really a good advert for Vacuumland is he, as has already been notice by Oliver.
 
I don't hate Chris and he does't hate me, we are good friends, believe it or not, it is just we hate our opinions which as you can imagine gets us both quite frustrated.


I suppose he was a bit rude in that thread but I can't help agreeing with him. It is rather annoying when you delete your posts so people can't see what you have written.
 
Right, that's it. Some home truths: Alex - I try sticking up for you and you just side with Turbo500. I wont bother with you any more, or your videos. I am sick of the rude members on this site trying to bully people out. Don't you think the UK members here are a bit thin on the ground, and with arrogant, rude little tykes like Turbo500 and his big mouth, and holier than thou attitude then its no wonder - and this aint getting deleted. Rude and ignorant the pair of you!!


If you think you are bullying me away from here - think again pal!
 
That was a bit deep and extreme, lol. I am not pushing you away, what you on about?


Well I am going to stand by my friends am I not? (as you probably would do) As appose to someone I don't really know, I have known Chris for a while and he is a sweet heart. I do appreciate you sticking up for me, Steve.


I don't know enough about you though, Steve, to gather an opinion on you so I won't say anything.
 
I don't hate Alex at all. Infact, we're good friends and have been for a long while. We just have very different opinions, which is fine, but Alex has a habit of shoving it in peoples faces without actually offering any real point. THAT pisses me off. Equally, there are things I do that wind Alex up to no end and I know it - believe me, I'm the first to admit my own faults - but that doesn't mean that we don't like and don't respect eachother.

Madabouthoovers, it seems now that it is YOU who is the pot. You were unnecessarily rude to a new member in that thread and you were very direct about it too, calling him selfish and sneaky. I haven't been rude to Ollie at all. Talk about being a good advert? Take your own advice.

Yes, I was rude to you. And I meant every word. Just like you were rude to me out of nowhere in a certain thread in miscellania. You've also been very rude and very personal with your name calling, but as I said yesterday, you're sneaky and delete your posts when you think nobody has seen it. So don't start trying to play Mr. Victim, because it won't wash. People do talk outside this forum, you know, and those who matter are onto you.
 
That's just the thing, Alex, madabouthoovers thinks he knows people based on a few words on a screen. Like many, many members on here, we know eachother outside the forum and are friends. Madabouthoovers knows absolutely nothing about any of us, as is evident by his "little tyke" comment (FTR, I'm actually 5 years older than Alex).
 
Then act your age Turbo500, instead of some spoilt child throwing his teddys out of his pram. Talking to me like I'm some kind of leper wont exactly promote a nice response will it - what the hell do you expect, when you  post the sort of nasty bile about me that you have been?


 


Oh, and Turbo500 - with "friends" like you, who needs enemies?


 


That's all I'm gonna say on this - and once again you've created disharmony and acrimony, which will have to be removed by the mods - why cant YOU think twice before posting crap that's gonna upset people? The "people that count" are gonna be aware of all YOUR inappropriate posts where you slag people off who are supposed to be your "friends"!
 
Not exactly spoilt, he works full time Monday through Friday has his own house.


 


I think I should stop posting in vacuumland because this appears to be the outcome of it, lol. :/


 
 
when you post the sort of nasty bile about me

Pull your head out of your ass.

You were VERY rude to a new member yesterday and then deleted your post to avoid getting caught. And it's not the first time you've done it, nor am I the only person who has noticed. You were also VERY rude to me, calling me everything under the sun, and then again deleted your post to avoid getting caught. Stop trying to play the victim. So hard done to, aren't you? Oh, we're bullying you out, eh? Rubbish! You give just as much crap as you take, and you deserve it.

Quite frankly, you'd do well to take your own advice - grow up and get a life.

I haven't slagged anybody off. I have very different opinions to Alex and yes, he does things that are annoying (which usually, Alex is the first to admit), but that doesn't mean I think he's a bad person and don't like him. I certainly haven't openly started calling him names for no reason. You, on the other hand...
 
No Alex - I used to like you and your vids, then you went off with me since I posted a pic of myself. Its Turbo500 who waltzes around this forum like he owns it. I don't care tuppence if he has a mortgage and a house - I have a house and paid off the mortgage - what has that got to do with it?
 
V6JME who incurred my wrath yesterday wasn't a new member. He's  been on here ages back posting about his flash car and Miele Uniq vacs and his big ego.  Get your facts right. He pulled that vac from under my nose as a spiteful act, and I told him what I thought. People with a lot of money always seem to get their own way, at the expense of others.


 


V6JME appeared a couple of years back in This thread - showing off his wealth and his flashy Audi:

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I am extremely happy with my X5 and despite not being a fan of the auto adjustment on the two X1.1s
And X4 I used to own, the auto adjustment on my new X5 seems much better. It may be something to do with having different carpets or the cleaner head being heavier, but I certainly don't think it is just skimming accross the top of the carpet and although not noticable on the video, it does groom the pile.

When cleaning upstairs, (I have solid concrete floors downstairs) I can feel the vibration of the brushes on the floor behind the cleaning head, so I am satisfied that the X5 is agitating the carpet enough to do a thorough job. I also own a Sebo Professional G 1 with the manual height adjustment and even set on its lowest setting, It doesn't seem to agitate the carpet as much as the X5 with its auto adjustment.

For an upright to clean thoroughly, you need the suction of the cleaner to lift the carpet up to the baseplate, creating a cushion of air between the underlay and the top of the pile as shown in the Hoover brochures of old. I think the automatic adjustment of the Sebo achieves this effectively, as long as you go slightly slower across the carpet, which results in more efficient cleaning. In my experience of using upright cleaners, Sebo uprights have the best brushroll, with the Miele S7 coming in second. Of course the activator on the Turbopower 1's was excellent but I am talking about current models available now.
The Turbopowers brought up the pile like no other upright, but the belt did tend to stretch after a while, reducing the efficiency of agitator, something that the toothed belt of the Sebo doesn't suffer from.

As own a barely used Turbopower 1, manual height adjustment Sebo and an automatic Sebo, I will be able to compare them at some point, so look out for the video. I will say that Sebo's build quality is streets ahead of anything Hoover have produced from the early 80's to the present day and I would also rate Sebo above Miele in this regard.

When I was younger I thought Hoover was the best and I only collected Hoover and would not consider any other make. I even fell out with people if they purchased a vacuum cleaner that wasn't made by Hoover. It's ridiculous when I look back on it now, but with age hopefully comes wisdom and now I really couldn't care less what people want to spend their money on. If people ask my opinion, I will give it, but if they decide to get a Dyson or Vax, that's up to them. We are collectors and enthusiasts on this forum, so naturally we like to think we have a lot more knowledge and experience when it comes to the humble vacuum cleaner, but it seems a shame that things sometimes get a bit heated regarding which brand or model is best. I will not argue with anyone over a vacuum cleaner and accept that they are entitled to their opinion, just as I am entitled to mine. I would chose a Sebo or Miele over any Hoover cleaner, but I respect those that may think differently.

I am not having a go at anyone on Vacuumland, so please don't think I am having a sly dig. I agree and disagree with many of what's been said on this thread and many others, but I won't get into an argument over a vacuum cleaner or any other subject if I can help it, unless you're my other half who must understand that I'm always right and my word is law!
 
what has that got to do with it?

Correct me if I'm wrong, Alex, but I believe the point you were trying to make here is that I work damn hard for what I've got, so I'm hardly spoilt.

Also, when I said "those who matter", what on earth made you think I meant the moderators? Although I don't doubt that they've sussed you out too, I wasn't actually referring to them.

Maybe you should go outside and discover this thing called "real life". It's very interesting, I'm sure you'd enjoy it.
 
Why are you being so funny with me just because I agreed with Chris, I think he is right though.


I never like you or disliked you, why would I when I don't know you personally.


You were just a member of a forum that made me chuckle.


 


Chris, that was what I was trying to get at, yes.
 
Hi Roger,

It would certainly be interesting to see how the X5 does against the Turbopower. Not being cheeky and asking, but purely because you have some impressive machines and a good variety, would it be possible to compare a manual height adjustment cleaner, a computer controlled auto height adjustment and a floating head cleaner? That might be a good comparison to post on this thread, then the differences between all 3 can be seen? I'll try and do the same when I get home tonight, although I'm working late, but watch this space.
 
Chris,

I will certainly do a comparison video of the X5 and G1 and possibly a video comparing the S7 to the X5 but it may not be for a few weeks.
 
Roger I enjoyed reading your post, it appeared to bring some sanity to this somewhat (yet again) petty argument.


To be honest I can't say if the Sebo is better built than anything Hoover produced from the 80's through to the 90's because I wasn't there to make that conclusion at the time when the plastics where fresh from the moulds.


I can't, unfortunately say if the Sebo is better built than what Hoover produced because all my Turbopower 1's and 2's are 20-30 years old now. Imagine what the plastic might of been like all that time ago and likewise imagine what the modern Sebo's plastic would be like in 20-30 years time.


If the Turbopower 1 had the same quality of plastic now that it did 30 years ago, then I am surprised they lasted so long.


Although I think we can agree that Turbopowers were a bit hit an miss probably due to the large numbers Hoover had to make them in, some are stronger and sturdier than others.
 
madabouthoovers

to be honest you have been pretty rude to just about everyone, like you were to me, look at reply 78, and then you removed the 2 other comments, christ only knows what you put there. on the subject of SEBO's I dont mind my X4 overall it is great vacuum but do prefer the ET-1 powerhead

http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?23380
 
Kirbylover - you as well getting the boot in? so I've been rude to everyone have I? - no, only to pretentious little boys who have everything handed to them by daddy (and call themselves "vacuum snobs") and people that are rude towards me - and I still stand by it - any other comments, boyo? In future - I wont remove these comments. I'm sick of you lot having a go at me, when you are guilty of far worse comments that upset others - Clicky little clan  - You, Chris and Alex - and from now on - you will be getting it right back at you!
 
Some are strong and sturdier than others

Yes, and the TP series was mass produced whereas SEBO test each model before it is put out to sale. Alex, thus if in your humble opinion you feel that "some" Hoover TP models are better built than others, then it isn't exactly fair for the consumer is it?

Secondly, the X1 Automatic was released in 1991. This is now 2014. There are X1's already being used that are 23 years old - parts and spares are readily available, which as you know with the current stock situation on TP2 and 3 brush rolls, those parts aren't available.

Thirdly, you haven't owned your vacuums when they were new - how could you when you're so young? Thus, they have been either been gently used or manhandled - two very different scopes of usage - you can say what you like about Hoover but you have no idea basing your opinion on longevity because you haven't been the owner since new.
 
It wasn't fair, no but they still performed the same either way I feel they had to make money like any company so making the plastic thinner might of been their only means of making profit.


If Sebo cleaners sold like Turbopower's did they probably would have to mass produce them too and if that meant lesser quality then so be it.


I have found the Turbopower 2 cleaner to be one of the best built 90's cleaners I have used the only thing that is a set back on them was the back door, needless to say Hoover fixed this after Turbopower 3 came out.


 
 

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