"Automatic" brush height adjustment

[turbo500]

I think you just don't like the fact that I am right

No, Alex, I don't like the fact that you feel the need to shove your opinion down everybody's throat everytime somebody even mentions a Sebo Automatic X because you THINK you're right. You're quite obviously not right because opinion is totally subjective and for every person who doesn't like the Automatic X, there will be another that does.

I don't like Dyson's, but I don't go about commenting on every single post about them annoucing the fact that I don't like them and giving the same reasons why OVER and OVER and OVER again. I don't have anything remotely constructive to say about Dysons, so I just don't say anything about them.

You don't like the X, we know, you've told us all a thousand times and it's getting old. You're not even constructive with it, you're just plain rude about it.

"Whenever I hear "Automatic X series" I hear screaming down my ears using one of those can near enough make my blood boil."

...What's wrong with a simple "I'm not a fan of the X series, personally".

This thread is NOT going to become another Sebo-bashing outlet for you - we already have that for the world to read in the thread I linked to, so please do us all a favour and keep it in that thread, not this one.

 

[turbo500]

A stationary brushroll isn't engaging in any *action*

Whilst that's true that the brushroll is not, the cleaner head is moving and therefore engaging in action.

Like on the Panasonic's here and the US models with the floating rear wheels, the cleaner head will be at a different height for different surfaces. And it pivots, therefore it is self-moving. Same with Dyson uprights, although the front of the cleaner head pivots, rather than the rear wheels.

 

[kenkart]

Hoover!!!

Had automatic height adjustment in 1936 on the 150...and no one has yet made one that worked as good in my opinion!And the thing is...it works on plush carpets that had not been invented yet!!!

 

[nycwriter]

You're missing the point ...

"Whilst that's true that the brushroll is not, the cleaner head is moving and therefore engaging in action."

Not in terms of the brushroll "adjusting" itself in relation to the carpet surface.

You could take your argument to absurd lengths, saying that *everything* is "engaging in action" because the earth is spinning.

 

[turbo500]

*everything* is "engaging in action" because the ear

Well, no, because we're not discussing the earth moving, we're discussing the cleaning moving to adjust to different floortypes.

Whilst the brushroll isn't moving, the cleaner head IS. No manufacturer has claimed "automatic brushroll adjustment", in which case you'd be absolutely spot on. But as I'm sure you know, the brushroll doesn't necessarily have to move.

The Hoover Senior/Convertible height adjustment works by adjusting the rear wheels, thus angling the floorhead in a particularly position. The floating head design of automatic height adjustment does the same thing, but replaces the height adjustment with a pivoting floorhead and floating rear wheels, so there is very much still an "action" occuring - the pivoting of the floorhead and the constant movement of the rear wheels (not just round and round like normal, but actually moving position) is still an action, thus making it "automatic".

And I'm not saying that the action of moving the cleaner back and forth across the carpet is an action either(I mean, it is, but not one relevant to this particular discussion), I'm talking about the floorhead actually moving and adjusting as a result of the surface, without the user having to make any manual adjustments.

 

[sebo_fan]

I've held off until more replies came into this subject - you are ALL forgetting one vital thing where auto adjustment is concerned (and that concerns ALL uprights).

Carpets are porous compared to hard floors.

Thus air sits between the carpet pile and the suction caused by the vacuum from the brush roll.
If it was the case that carpet wasn't porous, you wouldn't require a beater bar or a moving brush to beat dirt out as it would all sit at the top surface, ready to be collected.

Thus, not all conventional uprights with "auto adjustment" deliver poor performance. There's a bit more to the eye where pick up is concerned and from what I have observed.

There are auto types like the Dyson DCO1 and (countless others that have followed suit) with the "handle angle user adjustable" floor head style where the owner will stoop or stand up straight with the upright to get the ideal cleaning angle that automatically pivots the floor head onto the carpet. The more you stoop with the DC01, the more the floor head will drop further down onto a carpet - same with the Panasonic bagged uprights.

However other "auto adjusting" models like the Vax Mach Air don't have the hinged floor head where the user's angle of placement of holding the vacuum doesn't determine the floor head height. Morphy Richards Clarity/Shark Navigator doesn't have it either.

As for the manual height adjusters - the best ones I've ever found have been on the Hoover Convertible/Senior/Ranger or the Junior - nothing else seems to be that well made - or so conveniently located.

Alex - literally using a TP1 hurts my ears and I'm surprised they don't annoy your neighbours each time you use one. Yes, A 4-height adjuster is good - if it works and if it remains intact. Sadly in my hands I seemed to have broken more Hoover Turbopower 1 height adjustment knobs far more times than I care to remember. Everything past the handle just seemed so brittle on that model.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Chris, there are probably more people that don't like the X series than the ones that do, it is not my opinion that the Sebo skims the carpet IT DOES, fact!! Watch Rogers X5 video from floor level it is practically hovering over the carpet.


How is it not appropriate to bring the X range into it...Have you not read the title?

 

[alexhoovers94]

Whenever Sebo is mentioned all you ever have is something negative to say about the ageing 20-30 year old Turbopowers. They are noisy, yes but they don't scream and plus it is irrelevent they are dirty fan.

 

[sebo_fan]

Well I did refer to the manual height adjuster on the TP1 Alex - a little detail you've failed to notice.

The term and the post is down to current vacuums, surely, Alex?

This post was, after all created in the contemporary forum, so why mention the Electrolux Contour?

Your Contour is no longer made, quelle surprise. I've had two - not easy to push, not easy to use on carpets in general.

Funny how I found the much heavier Hoover Senior easier to push than the awful plastic Contour - but then I think it points down to metal base quality and far bigger wheels with a more comfortable design.

Oh no I can't mention that - the Senior isn't made any more - but wait - there's far more of them on EBAY than the crusty old Contour.

 

[alexhoovers94]

I mentioned the Contour because they are not that great really with a sparse soft brush, brushroll and whimpy suction, the 600W models, that is. So I said that even a Contour would of picked up what the Sebo did after the ill designed Panasonic pivoting cleaning head...Meaning the Sebo X wasn't that great, it isn't the Sebo it's self, it is that silly computer that makes it not as good as it could be. (In my opinion!!)


Now I will agree that the Contour can be difficult to push and likewise the 600 series but a bit of furniture polish on the wheel shaft and sole plate can help do the trick.


Also, I did see the part about the TP1 height adgustment, I noticed you said that you said it often broke, well I haven't had that issue, although, I am not rough with any of my cleaners so perhaps that is down to man handling...


 


I do love the Juniors and Seniors dearly and of course where better built than the heap of plastic which came out in the 80's but they can be quite impractical for hose use and picking up such things as rice and little stones off of shoes.

 

[turbo500]

Alex,

You're not even reading what I'm saying, are you? Figures.

I never said it wasn't appropriate to bring it up. But reading the title, by your own admission, you should've KNOWN it would come up. And yet, the minute someone utters the word "Sebo", you're in there like the vacuum section of the SAS ready to brand-bash.

As I said, you don't even have anything relevant to offer to this thread, other than your Sebo dislike, which wasn't and is never done in a constructive manner. If you *know* that the X series is going to come into the conversation, why do you bother even reading it? You've got nothing of any worth to say, so why waste your energy? Your comment above is a perfect example:

"Whenever I hear "Automatic X series" I hear screaming down my ears using one of those can near enough make my blood boil."

WHAT is the point in posting THAT?

See, there you go again - "this is what I think, therefore I'm right, you're wrong and everybody else should think the same thing as me". I completely disagree with you, I think the Sebo Automatic X system works great and the reason it's light to use is because the brushroll is at the correct height and not one that's too low and creates resistance, making the cleaner difficult to push. I've found it leaves lovely track marks in the carpet and brings the pile up nicely. So, by my opinion being completely different to yours, that automatically (no pun intended) makes it subjective.

Also, it is always YOU that manages to turn anything Sebo related into a discussion about how much better you think the Turbopower 1 & 2 are than anything modern. Always. It's pretty much guarunteed. You even did it just then - was any mention of the Turbopower made AT ALL during this thread? And yet, you have to bring it up.

Broken record.

 

[madabouthoovers]

sebo_fan - if you are looking for the best manual adjustment vac then its got to be the Kirby, with the toe touch ratchet mechanism. They are extremely convenient to use, with no bending down at all, and with the tech drive models, none are hard to push, allowing the head to go really low to the carpet.

 

[sebo_fan]

Yes but had you not mentioned your instant response of negativity, we wouldn't be going down this road.

Also you didn't mention the 600 w rated models of the Contour in your initial post. Now of course you develop your answer.

Also this original thread talks about upright performance, brush roll and auto adjustment. There is no reference to usage of a hose.

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Well this has escalated quickly

Not all manufactures do this but a lot of them do. More to the point, I think its pushing it a bit when they claim to be "suitable for all floors", when you have a vacuum that you can't turn the brush bar off, for example.

Manual height adjustment is the best to be honest. The X1 is a good vacuum and it performs well, but not on the thicker carpets. However the felix and the powerhead cylinders (which as we know use the same head) do a much better job as you have 4 positions.

Would also like to point out, I had a Miele S7 allergy model, the white one, and I honestly do not think it deep cleaned or groomed my thicker carpets as well as my felix. It used to bunny hop (I think its called) over the carpets.

P.S - Try and keep this civil guys. We are not debating a new world order here :/

 

[turbo500]

Following my post above and Alex's most recent post....

It's quite obvious, Alex, that you're in a little world of your own and having your own conversation with yourself, so I'm not even going to bother having this conversation with you anymore. You've managed to twist a perfectly reasonable conversation about auto height adjustment into a discussion about the performance of a Contour vs a Sebo, the benefits of dirty fan over clean air and the history of Hoover's plastic uprights in 1 post out of absolutely NOWHERE.

I do hope the conversation in your head doesn't start to disagree with you.

 

[alexhoovers94]

I agree Chris, the Sebo does not adjust it to low, it adjusts it FAR to high.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Well to be perfectly honest, chris, YOU chose to retaliate...

 

[madabouthoovers]

Seems its not just me Turby hates then Alex - he was extremely rude and insensitive towards me yesterday which ended up getting my thread removed. Not really a good advert for Vacuumland is he, as has already been notice by Oliver.

 

[nycwriter]

LOL I love you guys ...

... nowhere else could a discussion on the merits of vacuums escalate into a political dispute even more divisive than abortion.



Lotta passion here!

 

[alexhoovers94]

I don't hate Chris and he does't hate me, we are good friends, believe it or not, it is just we hate our opinions which as you can imagine gets us both quite frustrated.


I suppose he was a bit rude in that thread but I can't help agreeing with him. It is rather annoying when you delete your posts so people can't see what you have written.