Are old vacuums really that dirty?

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absolutely Sebo!

When pet hair sits in a vacuum, the bacteria grows and smells awfull.
One I have I had to tear down and disinfect the area below the top of the motor.
It is made with a three part cylinder type. Shaped like a triangular canned ham.
The lid, the bag chamber and upper motor, and a lower shell, which is the bottom of the cleaner holding the cord reel and lower motor.
Moldy front load washer gaskets are also nasty.
Clean with bleach occasionally, and leave the door open until it is dry.
 
Does it look like these smell...I think not. It's all about how clean you are and that makes all the difference in the world.

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My vacuums were a mixed bag but all are clean now. None ever had any odors.

Both of my Electrolux canisters are clean as a whistle inside and were when I got them. One of my Royal 501 handhelds--the older one, ironically--came to me clean but the other one was encrusted with pet hair though had no odors. I ended up vacuuming the bag out with my Super J and now use paper bag liners with both machines.

My Kirbys are a different story. The first Gsix--the one I rescued from a dumpster--was encrusted with that carpet fresh crap and required some love with a wire brush. The second one, which I bought last spring, was clean as a whistle. I think the former owner mainly used it with the hose. The G5, my 'FrankenKirby', was a mess when I got it. The thing had apparently been used without an inner filter bag and the outer cloth bag appeared to be thoroughly impregnated with dry wall dust. It was in such bad shape that I just ended up replacing the entire outer bag assembly with a pristine one from an Ultimate G. In the year I've had it, the G5 has needed much more love than any of my others and I've had to sink way too much money into it but she's functionally right as rain and has a unique burgundy and gray color scheme.
 
paper vs fleece bags

My experience is that just putting good fleece bag in the old vacuum makes a huge difference. I have done it to all of my vacuums. Of course bag has to have good seal. Otherwise it's pointless. My latest experiment was vacuuming a bit of flour with the paper bag and it caused some flour to escape to the bag compartment. Same test with the fleece bag and bag compartment stayed spotless. It doesn't keep the odors away, but filtration is hugely better than with the paper bags.

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I use a older but not antique Starks/Royal 4650 and it is supposed to be one of the first HEPA filter types out. I don't notice any dust escaping and it cleans really well with a excellent power head. My earlier 413 power tank was the same as long as the hose wasn't shot and full of holes.
We had a good Kenmore canister that the plastic body was so cracked up it shot dust out all over. It would have been a great machine I think if everything wasn't broken. Replaced it with the first Royal I bought as a almost new trade in with everything from a Kirby sales man after I couldn't afford that Kirby about 90 for 200.
 
Holy Crud Batman ! ! !

After putting together the Royal Metal Upright recently given me, I just tossed a black plastic Dirt Devil whose housing was a static-cling anode. When changing the bag, you could literally see dust kicked up from the brush roller being zapped to the plastic housing like a magnet. I hated it because it took 5-minutes to clean the housing prior to putting it away . . .
 
Allergies and asthma don't lie...I can't stand most of the newer bagless creatures they offer now.

Most spew dust if you don't keep the filters impeccability clean or get the bin fitted on the seal just right, and just emptying them and cleaning the filters can make me start sneezing and wheezing.

Give me an older bagged vacuum any day.
 
I switch out

Daily drivers regularly, I always try to clean them and change the bag as I rotate them,IE change the bag of the one going out of service, so its clean, wipe the one down coming into the house with windex.
 
Mmm....I really don't think older sweepers are dirtier to use. At first the sweeper itself will probably be dirty considering it's coming to you second hand, but actual operation once it's been cleaned well I think is actually cleaner than newer sweepers. I feel they clean carpet better, and there isn't a giant cloud of dust getting in your face when you empty the bag. All around I prefer older ones (generally late 80s and earlier, with some exception) for keeping my home clean.
 
Well putting a HEPA bag in a machine really does make a huge difference!! Any A bag Hoover Convertible can get a HEPA bag and filtration from it will be far better than a standard A bag. A hard case bag machine can tell the results a little easier than a cloth bag of the dirt that can go through a vacuum bag.

Unfortunately many of the Hoover C and Eureka F&G bags that were vinyl dust clouds were possible. A lot of it depends on how well the bags are maintained and if one fusses with the dirt in the paper bag or knocks the vinyl bag into furniture during use. An ultra bright would show you some of the dirt that can be expelled from a vinyl bag using a standard filtration bag.

That being said, there are tons of current market machines that are near as bad!! Most bagless vacuums on the market to include Bissell, Eureka, etc. are filthy on the outside of the machine. The filth is not a result of the vacuum sitting out in a room on a regular basis, it is a result of terrible emissions from those machines!! Anyone who has ever serviced or used a Bissell PowerForce bagless, or Eureka Altima bagless or similar knows exactly what I'm talking about!! Remove the dirt cup and look how filthy the housing is around and behind the dirt cup, the entire back of the machine, the handle and of course the floor head. All of that is being knocked back into the air. Now comparatively as bad as I've knocked Hoover Type C and Eureka F&G bags above, I've never seen a floor head on one of those units look anywhere near as filth covered as these Bissell, Eureka, etc. bagless units and even bagged versions of the Eureka PowerLine Hardcase machines!!

A very good example of a pollution producing machine is also the cloth shake out bags of a Sanitaire SC886. I did commercial cleaning a year ago and the contract company I worked for had several of these units. Tons of dust clouds were spewing out of these units. Many of the vacuums had brand new cloth shake out bags too. But let it pick up some dirt and when that bag rubs along a desk or touches any obstacle while you're cleaning and a visible dust cloud will emerge!!

For great emissions I recommend a sealed system like a Riccar, Simplicity, Sebo, Lindhaus, Miele, etc. Filter Queen has terrific filtration, Rainbow has terrific filtration. Rainbow and Kenmore canisters both have earned Certifications by the American Asthma and Allergy Foundation. The Hoover Platinum series bagged upright with HEPA would have fantastic filtration. I have HEPA S bags in my 1990's/ 2000's Hoover PowerMax body style canisters. I have adapted a HEPA Kenmore bag to fit my Hoover Dimension 1000 vacuum cleaners. What's wonderful about the HEPA bag usage is not only the clean air to breathe but also how gorgeously it maintains the bag compartments of machines. I can't remember the last time I've felt the need to take a rag and the tedious time to wipe and clean a plastic body bag compartment in machines where a HEPA bag is installed!!!
 
With most machines usimg paper bags I find there will be a light film of dust inside the machine. But I agree the newer bagless machines like the Powerforce seem to blow out dust. My family always says vacuums are a filthy thing to collect but I always clean them inside and out as well as put in new bags and filters. Wash the hoses and attachments and cloth outer bags. That gets rid of smells and germs. I don't like bringing a used machine inside the house unless it has been cleaned though.
 
Fan-of-Fans: I agree!

I think acquiring a filthy machine and cleaning up, returning it back to the way it was suppose to perform and look is part of the fun. It gives our hobby an "activity" and something to actually do with it.

Comparatively:

Lets look at Baseball cards, coins and stamps.

Yes, they're neat. But you get them, clean off former owners finger prints, on coins they may need soaking to restore the original shine. After that they all go in some sort of box or album and just sit there. You can't use them for anything, can't repair, play with or alter them. It's essentially a once and done hobby with each piece that one would take in.

With vacuums, it's a bottomless pit of what can be done. One could swap parts, alter the color, try different brush rolls. It can go on a shelf for display or be used on a daily basis. There is actually something to do with it to keep us busy which essentially is what a hobby should be. Something one enjoys doing in his/ her free time. If a machine is filthy upon being found then it might go into a shed, garage, basement until ready for the main house.

There are car collectors who take in filthy, rusty vehicles. Some of them don't even look repairable! Those need the same process but in a much more time consuming, expensive way and not to mention a vehicle takes up a lot more space than a vacuum!!

In terms of smells and odors. I was trained at Rainbow and Filter Queen that the smell is a result of a few weeks worth of dirt that has been stored in a vacuum cleaner bag. If you think about a vacuum cleaner, it is the perfect breeding ground for germs and bacteria. There's dirt in the bag, it's dark inside the bag, especially if the vacuum is stored in a closet, it's warm inside the houses where vacuums are kept, the dirt is surrounded by surrounding dirt and germs so it's a breeding ground inside of a dirt cup or vacuum bag for dirt and germs to reproduce molds, fungus, bacteria, dust mites, etc. The smell produced from a vacuum is a result of that mold, fungus, etc. A home with pets is generally more susceptible to it because of the animal dander now being picked up.

The more often a bag compartment is wiped down, filters are washed or replaced, brush rolls are kept clean, and bag or dirt cup is emptied or replaced the cleaner and less or non-smelling a machine will be. Normal consumers don't care for their stuff and that's when odors get awful!

It's those machines where the brush roll is so coated in hair and junk that one can't even tell what color the agitator brushes are supposed to be because they have become invisible! Or the vacuum bag was installed improperly so the pre-motor filter is completely clogged, yet the consumer doesn't even realize that a pre-motor filter even exists or what it's purpose is nor what the original color is supposed to be of the pre-motor filter!
 
Dirty old cars...

Durango159 wrote:
There are car collectors who take in filthy, rusty vehicles. Some of them don't even look repairable! Those need the same process but in a much more time consuming, expensive way and not to mention a vehicle takes up a lot more space than a vacuum!!

I reply:
Absolutely. About 12 years ago, I helped my dad move a 1938 Packard Super 8 out of a garage--really more of a barn of similar vintage as the car--in S.C. where it had been stored for more than 40 years. He'd owned it that whole time. Besides being caked with decades of dust--more than enough to fill every vacuum cleaner I own, the interior was completely rotted, full of cat shit and god knows what else. I had to sit in the car and steer it as the wrecker pulled it out and a large amount of the upholstery from the driver's seat stuck to my clothes. That thing was ten times nastier than any vacuum cleaner I've ever owned but an excellent candidate for restoration to someone with the interest and deep enough pockets, which is where the car went after it left Dad's hands.
 
Best bag ever..

Hoover Handisacs are hands down the best bag ever thought up, for the younger guys who have never seen them, they were meant to be re used several times before changing them, I have bought up every package I could find and use them in virtually all my old uprights, also they make a great vintage tank bag , the material is a heavy felt like paper that dust just does not stick to, I have split them open and made flat filters for a Silver King , and they work a hundred times better than the original filters.
 
I don't know if old(er) vacuums are anymore inherently dirty than new(er) vacuums but I do know I use much more caution with used vacuums regardless of vintage due to the possibilities of what they could bring from their former environment.


 


Though my absolute fear is bringing in bed bugs from somewhere, thank all that is holy I have not encountered any of those.  But I have opened up power nozzles and found cockroaches.  I recently purchased a bagless machine off ebay that was terribly abused, and looked like it had been used in a barber shop.  It was absolutely clogged with hair-eww.  &#92


 


I purchased one that wasn't dirty, had such a sweet flowery, perfume smell to it, it was absolutely choking.  I have said it smelled like a French Brothel. 


 


 


All used machines I take in have a through cleaning before they are used inside the house.   As for the brothel machine, I ended up replacing bags and filters, wiping down the bag compartment with Clorox wipes, and then sitting it outside on the porch running for about 30 minutes.   It still smells like Miss Mimi, but not as strongly now.


 


 
 
Human-- that's a great story!

Very neat story about that Packard! Amazing and a shame what you had to do to rescue that one!! It's amazing what some do for their hobby. But in the end it exhibits our true passion and what one is capable of doing!
 

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